18:02:52 <flexlibris> #startmeeting 18:02:52 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Aug 9 18:02:52 2017 UTC. The chair is flexlibris. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:52 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:29 <flexlibris> Here is the agenda I've got: 18:03:30 <flexlibris> 1. Status updates 18:03:31 <flexlibris> 2. Support wiki and sprint 18:03:31 <flexlibris> 3. FOSS/Tor onboarding document 18:03:57 <ChillyPhoul> Sounds good :) 18:04:14 <flexlibris> anyone want to start with a status update? 18:04:35 <ChillyPhoul> I can go 18:04:43 <flexlibris> go ahead 18:07:13 <ChillyPhoul> Last week I participated in a podcast that should be up this weekend. We published the support portal blog post, and Alison / I have been watching the comments on this. I've also been monitoring the comments on the Tor Browser blog posts as previously discussed. I've also been working on fixing some issues with RT (Like its CSRF warning going off when it shouldnt), and answering user questions 18:07:19 <ChillyPhoul> there. Today I will be publishing the monthly Transifex report (sorry for being a bit behind on that), and everything with GSoC is going well. 18:07:55 <ChillyPhoul> Oh, I'm also writing BSD instructions for relaying for the support portal, as I dont think we have good BSD instructions anywhere currently. 18:09:01 <Samdney> do you know if this podcast will be available somewhere? 18:09:20 <ChillyPhoul> Yeah, they will be announcing it over the weekend and then I think @torproject will be promoting it. 18:09:32 <Samdney> coooool :D 18:09:41 <flexlibris> thanks for getting on the BSD instructions. super important. 18:09:53 <Samdney> also, coooool :D 18:10:39 <arma2> chillyphoul: be sure to check out the recent post by the bsdtor folks on obfsproxy + bsd 18:11:13 <ChillyPhoul> arma2: Yup! I've also sent ln5 a copy of what I have so far, to see if he thinks im missing anything. 18:11:13 <flexlibris> any other questions or comments for ChillyPhoul? 18:11:23 <Samdney> what is the feedback for the support portal until now? (*I should read the blog post* :) 18:11:44 <flexlibris> send feedback to me and ChillyPhoul 18:11:49 <flexlibris> the wiki is read-only 18:11:53 <ChillyPhoul> There hasnt been a lot via the blog so far. 18:12:01 <flexlibris> oh sorry I misunderstood the question 18:12:25 <ChillyPhoul> There is also a non-RO version of the wiki, as a use rwanted a way to contribute without posting on the blog. 18:12:37 <ChillyPhoul> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/CommunityTeam/Support_discuss 18:12:50 <ChillyPhoul> Have received 2 edits there, just seeing them now. 18:13:08 <flexlibris> oh I didn't even know this existed! 18:13:38 <ChillyPhoul> It didnt until someone on the blog asked for a different way to contribute :P arma2 thought it would be better than giving people an email address. 18:13:43 <ChillyPhoul> I think its a good solution 18:13:47 <flexlibris> it is 18:13:54 <Samdney> +1 18:14:40 <flexlibris> who wants to go next with a status update? 18:15:04 <Samdney> I don't have anything. :/ 18:15:16 <sukhe> I can go next :) 18:15:23 <sukhe> (hi everyone btw) 18:15:27 <ChillyPhoul> hi sukhe ! 18:15:34 <Samdney> hi 18:15:34 <flexlibris> hi sukhe, go ahead 18:16:04 <sukhe> yesterday I gave a talk at GTALUG (Greater Toronto Area Linux User Group). small but great audience. had a good discussion about the project and the applications in general 18:16:40 * kat5 waves east at sukhe 18:16:44 <sukhe> I gave a small demo of tor browser, torsocks and stem 18:17:44 <sukhe> today's talk is at DEFCON416, a local hacker meetup. I will be giving the same talk. slides should be up after the talk. (in future, I realize I should do this before the talk, but oh well) 18:17:50 <sukhe> kat5: :) 18:19:09 <flexlibris> sukhe: it's hard to get slides up before the talk! most people don't even get them up after the talk 18:19:16 <ChillyPhoul> ^ 18:19:28 <arma2> (but you're still right, you 'should' :) 18:19:59 <sukhe> there are talks about outreach in India as well with SFLC(.in) but more on that later as that discussion progressesd 18:20:25 <sukhe> *progresses 18:20:35 <sukhe> that's all from my side 18:21:04 <sukhe> and yeah, the reason I want to put up the slides is to get feedback. so when I do it this time, please send your feedback so that I can fix it before the next talk :) 18:21:15 <flexlibris> sure I'll definitely give feedback 18:21:21 <Samdney> will do :) 18:21:24 <sukhe> on this note, I was thinking maybe at the next dev meeting we should try to standardize some of the training process 18:21:44 <sukhe> like the people at SLFC were asking what all tools would we be discussing at the meeting other than Tor Browser 18:22:05 <sukhe> and while I did mention Tails and signal for example, I think it would help to have a common set of tools or resources 18:22:15 <flexlibris> sukhe: this would be a great topic to cover. standardizing has been hard, in my experience, given the different needs of different audiences. 18:22:33 <flexlibris> however, I think we could make modular slides that could be put together in different ways to meet those varying needs 18:22:47 <Samdney> nice idea 18:22:49 <sukhe> flexlibris: yup, definitely. but I was hoping we could discuss for example what tools are included in the training 18:22:59 <flexlibris> sure 18:23:17 <flexlibris> let me find the agenda planning part of the meeting wiki... 18:23:36 <ChillyPhoul> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2017Montreal/AgendaIdeas 18:23:49 <flexlibris> thanks ChillyPhoul 18:24:02 <flexlibris> sukhe: you should add this idea there. it doesn't need to be well developed. 18:24:09 <sukhe> I will add, thanks 18:24:20 <sukhe> (that's all from me) 18:24:24 <kat5> I can give my very brief update next. 18:24:34 <flexlibris> go ahead kat5 18:24:55 <kat5> I continue to manage the t-shirt requests. 18:25:54 <kat5> An interesting thing that I wanted to mention is that people are now saying "I saw about the t-shirts on twitter". Happy people post nice photos of the shirts and stickers, so there's been a kind of organic publicity thing going on. 18:26:06 <flexlibris> I've seen that! 18:26:13 <kat5> So that's cool. 18:26:18 <kat5> That's all from me. 18:26:28 <flexlibris> kat5: it may be brief but it's so important and necessary! 18:26:30 <ChillyPhoul> kat5: Thats so awesome. have been enjoying those posts :) 18:26:41 <kat5> (Also, I think t0mmy is retweeting them more regularly.) 18:26:50 <Samdney> btw, somebody was asking what kind of sticker he get for a donation of X $ 18:27:01 <Samdney> do we have any information like that somewhere? 18:27:12 <arma2> i assume it looks like the picture on the donation page 18:27:23 <arma2> but i wonder if a close-up page would be helpful, yes 18:28:57 <arma2> ( https://donate.torproject.org/images/Stickerpack-1.png ) 18:29:09 <arma2> i guess that's pretty close-up, if it's also accurate 18:29:25 <ChillyPhoul> seems to match what im seeing in the images people post 18:30:52 <flexlibris> anything else for kat5? 18:30:58 <kat5> Nope. 18:31:22 <gamambel> hi everyone 18:31:22 <flexlibris> okay, anyone else besides me with a status update? 18:31:29 <gamambel> i can do a quick one 18:31:36 <flexlibris> gamambel: hey! 18:31:37 <gamambel> i've not been around lately but tor stuff is still happening on my end :) 18:31:37 <flexlibris> go ahead 18:31:42 <flexlibris> glad to hear it 18:31:44 <gamambel> zwiebelfreunde, one of the german torservers partners, is RIPE LIR now ,which means it can get IP addresses to distribute to other operators 18:31:55 <ChillyPhoul> oooo, excellent 18:31:57 <gamambel> there was a thread where i asked for interest, and there is some 18:32:15 <arma2> do you have portable /24's? 18:32:15 <gamambel> i've been on german "tabloid TV" yesterday and the day before 18:32:18 <gamambel> but it went reasonably well 18:32:25 <flexlibris> tabloid!!!!!!!!! 18:32:27 <arma2> there were once some universities who would run fast exits if only they didn't have to use their own address space 18:32:35 <gamambel> arma2: yeah, every LIR can get one and only one /22, which can be separated into /24 and distributed to "end users" 18:32:54 <arma2> that's, what, 4? 8? 18:33:30 <gamambel> a /24 is 256, a /22 is 1024 18:33:51 <gamambel> so, four 18:34:01 <gamambel> we can use this at four different locations 18:34:09 <gamambel> we have one location where we have a sponsored 2*10 gbit/s line 18:34:25 <gamambel> i don't have good contenders for the other three yet but that is hard to beat 18:34:38 <arma2> it is. 18:34:50 <gamambel> i plan to make a bit more noise around it and i hope to find at least three other 'stable' operators with something around 1 gbit/s each 18:34:55 <gamambel> (these can be used worldwide) 18:35:12 <arma2> sounds like a couple of high profile tweets could draw attention 18:35:21 <arma2> i'll mention it to people at foci and usenix sec next week too 18:35:25 <gamambel> flexlibris: yeah, yesterday and the day before the "tabloid magazine" Taff on Pro7 had a two-part short intro into the "darknet" 18:35:38 <ChillyPhoul> I'll mention it to some people as well. 18:35:44 <gamambel> and two weeks ago or so there was a longer documentation, i think 45 minutes, at a more serious ZDFinfo which nobody watches 18:36:09 <gamambel> this was the first time i got powdered ;) 18:36:11 <Samdney> I watched it :) 18:36:22 <flexlibris> gamambel: ! 18:36:25 <flexlibris> I want to watch this 18:36:29 <arma2> speaking of researchers and relays, i put up three of the six tor research safety board cases we've handled 18:36:30 <arma2> https://research.torproject.org/safetyboard.html#examples 18:36:36 <ChillyPhoul> Is powdered some kinda code, or do you mean like... makeup? 18:36:46 <arma2> two of these safety board cases involve people running what could look like a sybil attack 18:36:49 <gamambel> tomorrow, i am interviewed by "minimal", a student researcher 18:37:09 <gamambel> i should have forwarded his inquiry to a broader audience 18:37:24 <gamambel> basically, i am handling one of these types of things every week still, even though i became a bit more quiet on the tor channels 18:37:39 <arma2> might be smart to coordinate with comms@ 18:37:43 <flexlibris> gamambel: I have been communicating with minimal too and will do an interview with him next week. He's been reaching out to people one by one at Tor as far as I know. 18:37:50 <arma2> (that's a list that goes to steph, tommy, isa, alison, shari, and maybe a few more) 18:38:13 <gamambel> hm i think that's it for now from me 18:38:24 <gamambel> looking forward to seeing all of you in montreal 18:38:28 <gamambel> if i can find my passport 18:38:30 <ChillyPhoul> +1 likewise! 18:38:37 <flexlibris> gamambel: great to hear from you 18:38:39 <ChillyPhoul> (minus passport, hope you find that) 18:38:41 <gamambel> i wanted to sign up for the visa but i can't find my damn passport 18:38:55 <flexlibris> I hope you find it too 18:38:59 <gamambel> (i do have a flight and hotel though so what can go wrong) 18:39:35 <flexlibris> anything else for gamambel? 18:40:05 <gamambel> oh 18:40:07 <gamambel> i have one more thing 18:40:12 <flexlibris> sure 18:40:15 <gamambel> we have 10k new stickers here, in augsburg and berlin 18:40:24 <flexlibris> what kinda new stickers 18:40:29 <gamambel> so if there's location in europe that need larger amounts of tor stickers it might make sense to have me ship them 18:40:34 <gamambel> new as in "reprinted" 18:40:38 <gamambel> the standard size tor stickers 18:40:41 <flexlibris> oh I see 18:40:50 <gamambel> oh and we're still getting donations for tor to our german bank account 18:40:51 <flexlibris> good to know 18:40:55 <gamambel> and i send out sticker packs and "thank you" cards 18:41:20 <gamambel> most of the money we held for tor was sucessfully spent by shari on the travel reimbursements for the last dev meeting 18:41:46 <gamambel> but there's always a bit of money coming in so for expenses in euro especially it might make sense to use our money 18:42:08 <gamambel> ok that's it :) thanks 18:42:43 <flexlibris> thanks gamambel 18:43:01 <flexlibris> okay I will include the other agenda items in my status update since they are related to things I've been doing 18:43:11 <arma2> i hope either gamambel or jon or both will bring a whole box of stickers to montreal 18:43:27 <flexlibris> I'm sure that Jon will but a box from each would be great 18:43:41 <ChillyPhoul> I can also bring a stack or two. Jon sent me far too many last I asked. :P 18:43:58 <gamambel> i won't have much space/weight to carry because i am bringing a large-heavy present for nick 18:44:06 <arma2> the frenzy after my defcon talk resulted in like 400 business cards disappearing in 60 seconds 18:44:15 <arma2> and i had far fewer stickers than that :/ 18:44:15 <ChillyPhoul> arma2: wow. 18:44:20 <gamambel> but i'll squeeze in what i can 18:45:03 <flexlibris> I'll mention it to Jon 18:45:16 <flexlibris> okay so I've been doing some Tor Meeting planning with the other Vegas Leads 18:45:33 <flexlibris> the invites are all out, and the next step is getting scheduling feedback 18:45:44 <flexlibris> more info on that will be out soon 18:46:04 <flexlibris> as ChillyPhoul mentioned, we've got the support wiki up and I wrote a blog post announcing it and soliciting more feedback 18:46:15 <flexlibris> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/get-immediate-help-our-new-support-wiki <- post is here 18:46:39 <flexlibris> we will do a sprint on Friday the 11th to get more questions and answers up on there 18:46:48 <flexlibris> if you want to participate in the sprint let me know! 18:46:54 <Samdney> o/ 18:46:57 <ChillyPhoul> (ill be there) 18:47:49 <flexlibris> I'm writing the July community team report today so if you have anything to add to that that wasn't in the meeting minutes last month, or wasn't something we worked on together, please ping me 18:48:34 <flexlibris> this month I've worked on some grants with the comms team, some by myself. waiting to hear on some for LFP, including one for redoing my website. woo! 18:49:11 <Samdney> awh, I like it ;) 18:49:26 <flexlibris> me and the comms team started organizing the speakers bureau, which is a group of people who want to be (or are currently) Tor speakers 18:49:45 <flexlibris> now that we've gathered that group together, the next step is some public speaking training 18:50:16 <flexlibris> I did some outreach this past couple of weeks to US archivists in Portland, Oregon, and at a really cooler hackerspace in Philly called Hive76 18:50:38 <flexlibris> if you go to Philly I highly recommend visiting it. it's in an old public school that was converted into artist/hacker/musician spaces. 18:51:04 <ChillyPhoul> Cool! 18:51:09 <flexlibris> lastly I did some work on the draft code of conduct, and today I will pick up work on the contributor guidelines since that has stalled 18:51:19 <flexlibris> oh wait that's not all... 18:51:39 <flexlibris> the real last thing is that I onboarded Steph about Tor/FOSS history, community, and cultural norms 18:52:12 <flexlibris> I wrote up a little document about this and I'd like to include it in the onboarding docs, but it needs work! so if anyone wants to help before I make it public that would be cool 18:52:32 <Samdney> can I have a look? 18:52:34 <flexlibris> it's basically a short timeline, major events/people/conferences, terms to know, that kind of thing 18:52:43 <flexlibris> sure Samdney I'll send it to you 18:52:50 <Samdney> thanks :D 18:52:52 <kat5> Me too, please. 18:52:56 <arma2> neat 18:52:57 <ChillyPhoul> Likewise, I don't think I ended up getting a copy :) 18:53:11 <catalyst> flexlibris: i'd like to look at it too 18:53:15 <flexlibris> I'll send it to the community team list 18:53:30 <flexlibris> catalyst: are you on that list or should I cc you? 18:53:36 <catalyst> i think i'm on the list 18:53:46 <flexlibris> great 18:53:48 <flexlibris> that's it for me 18:54:14 <arma2> looks like it's an open list 18:54:15 <arma2> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-community-team/ 18:55:12 <flexlibris> it sure is, I just don't want to force anyone onto a new mailing list :) 18:55:26 <flexlibris> anything else from anyone? 18:55:37 <flexlibris> just to reiterate -- please send me your stuff for the July report, today preferably! 18:56:44 <flexlibris> anything else....going once.... 18:57:15 <flexlibris> okay I'm calling it 18:57:17 <flexlibris> #endmeeting