18:31:50 <GeKo> #startmeeting tor-browser 3/18 18:31:50 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Mar 18 18:31:50 2019 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:31:50 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:31:58 <GeKo> hi everyone! 18:32:06 <GeKo> let's get the meeting started 18:32:09 <GeKo> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/tHoN4Ii7rLSjPE0OP4gydX4cMGadsXmRQNc-6lwru0N 18:32:14 <GeKo> is the pad as usual 18:32:16 <boklm> hi! 18:32:21 <GeKo> please add your items 18:32:28 <GeKo> and mark things to discuss bold 18:32:31 <mcs> hi to all 18:33:16 <sisbell> hi 18:34:16 <pili> hi 18:35:47 <GeKo> okay, let's get started 18:36:53 <GeKo> antonela: sisbell: pili: can you copy your stuff below the headline? 18:37:10 <antonela> ? 18:37:11 <GeKo> that's probably easier for everyone to follow your items :) 18:37:17 <antonela> oki 18:37:25 <GeKo> I see them above "Tor Browser Meeting Notes" 18:37:40 <antonela> oh, F5 18:37:50 <antonela> seems a storm glitch 18:37:56 <pili> hmm, I reloaded and I see them below :) 18:38:01 <GeKo> okay, ugh 18:38:11 <sisbell> I see below as well 18:38:17 <GeKo> great, so we fixed the first issue already :) 18:38:18 <antonela> yeah im behind you sisbell 18:38:30 <antonela> great, refresh or restart always fix things! 18:38:36 <GeKo> so, it seems i am first 18:38:56 <GeKo> so this week mozilla-central switches to firefox 68 18:39:15 <GeKo> which means we can start with our yearly esr-transition preparation 18:39:51 <GeKo> so, the first thing we need to do is looking at our patches and figuring out which we want to upstream 18:40:06 <GeKo> and then prioritizing that work 18:40:51 <GeKo> we still have https://torpat.ch/ thanks to arthur 18:40:59 <GeKo> which has all the patches i think 18:41:32 <GeKo> but we should go over those patches and make sure all we have (and think we want to upstream) have bug numbers at mozilla's bug tracker etc. 18:41:49 <GeKo> pospeselr: is that something you could think about doing? 18:41:57 <GeKo> in coordination with the uplift team? 18:42:13 <pospeselr> sounds good to me 18:42:38 <GeKo> okay, i guess ping me and arthur if you have questions and/or need help? 18:42:52 <GeKo> s/and/and\/or/ 18:42:53 <pospeselr> a point of clarification about torpat.ch, is it basically a diff of the tor-browser branch and the firefox esr branch it's based off of? 18:43:11 <GeKo> i think so, yes 18:43:21 <pospeselr> ok neat 18:43:56 <GeKo> although it seems it could need some fixup (see the commits and the end of the page) 18:44:38 <GeKo> so additionally: do we think we need to have anything else we should think of now 18:44:41 <GeKo> ? 18:44:54 <GeKo> now that mozilla switched to developing the esr68? 18:45:26 <GeKo> (apart from the stuff we already know, like new toolchain for windows etc.) 18:46:02 <GeKo> okay, it sounds like nothing comes to mind right now :) 18:46:06 <GeKo> which is okay 18:46:26 <GeKo> keep thinking of things in case i missed something so we can schedule them accordingly 18:46:35 <GeKo> that's all i had 18:46:40 <GeKo> antonela: you are next :) 18:46:44 <antonela> gracias! 18:47:09 <antonela> two things - Security Settings article at the Tor Browser manual is ready for review 18:47:21 <antonela> who should/help reviewing it? 18:47:32 <antonela> wayward put it here https://pad.riseup.net/p/ZsGRD4yM5pshKddf75IR-keep 18:47:52 <GeKo> hm 18:48:14 <antonela> i sent an email to stephw and you, but maybe pospeselr wants to be in the loop too 18:48:18 * pospeselr reading 18:48:24 <pospeselr> yes please :) 18:48:25 <antonela> thanks :) 18:48:25 <GeKo> yeah, steph would be good 18:48:31 <GeKo> i can take a look as well 18:48:37 <antonela> awesome, thanks both 18:48:58 <antonela> second thing - when do you expect to release letterboxing? im reading more before make suggestions 18:49:09 <antonela> i want to know which kind of priority it has 18:50:28 <pospeselr> so there is a plan in place for getting this implemented in firefox, but there are some open questions regarding specifics (how much to letter box, what are the most common windows sizes used by users, etc) 18:50:29 <GeKo> you mean which alpha or which stable it will be in? 18:50:50 <GeKo> it won't happen before 9.0 in stable 18:51:11 <antonela> you mean the alpha or the stable? :) 18:51:19 <antonela> im talking about the alpha :) 18:51:26 <pospeselr> tjr is working on doing some analysis and crunching the numbers atm but he's on leave so we're not going to see this for awhile 18:51:27 <GeKo> but as i wrote on the tbb-dev list i think i'd be amenable to test things out in one of the alphas 18:51:44 <GeKo> it's not set yet 18:51:57 <GeKo> it probably won't be in april/may 18:52:00 <GeKo> but maybe june 18:52:16 <antonela> perfect, that was my question. I'm following your thread in tbb-dev 18:52:25 <GeKo> great! 18:52:31 <antonela> that's all - thanks! 18:52:42 <GeKo> pili: you are up 18:52:48 <pili> hi 18:53:05 <pili> Google are running a new program this year called Season of Docs 18:53:34 <pili> it runs from september - november 2019 or september 2019 - feb 2020 18:53:47 <pili> and it allows technical writers to work with open source projects 18:54:06 <pili> and I thought it could be nice if we could get someone to help with some documentation 18:54:24 <pili> I could even mentor it myself if necessary 18:54:34 <pili> but if we can get other mentors from the team that could be ncie 18:54:37 <pili> nice 18:54:52 <pili> also, does anyone have any ideas of any documentation that we have that needs some special love? 18:56:03 <sysrqb> we have a lot of documentation :) 18:56:06 <pospeselr> i'm not really aware of what documentation we do have 18:56:10 <antonela> lol 18:56:32 <antonela> pili, this is great, at some point we need to consolidate docs.torproject.org and for sure the browser team will have content for it 18:56:36 <sysrqb> i wonder if the tor browser design doc wants some log? 18:56:39 <sysrqb> err, *love 18:56:46 <antonela> log love, yeah 18:57:01 <pili> at one point arma1 was asking for docs on FPI, which we already have 18:57:10 <pili> but maybe we can make them nicer? 18:57:15 <pili> or maybe that's not a large enough project 18:57:33 <pili> maybe a project could be to consolidate docs.torproject.org 18:57:38 <pili> as a 5 month project 18:57:45 <antonela> the network team will be interested on it as well, so we should have both as apart as docs.tpo 18:57:48 <antonela> yep 18:57:49 <pili> (I wasn't aware of this website, so I'll have to go look it up) 18:58:32 <GeKo> sysrqb: i plan to update it 18:58:37 <pili> well, I'll send an email out get more ideas, but i just wanted to let you know I'm looking into participating 18:58:38 <GeKo> (still, yes) 18:58:51 <GeKo> and i will update it before that time :) 18:59:04 <antonela> pili is awesome, i hope we get it! 18:59:10 <pili> yup! 18:59:27 <GeKo> but still it might benefit from someone who know what they are doing... 18:59:28 <pili> that's all from me :) 18:59:33 <antonela> we talked about having readthedocs behind it, there is a plan around 19:00:01 <pili> so, here's the site about ideas: https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/project-ideas 19:00:19 <pili> just to give us some ideas 19:00:25 <antonela> oh si, we fit perfectly there 19:01:14 <sysrqb> GeKo: yeah, i was simply thinking it might be nice having some help with that 19:01:22 <GeKo> sure. 19:01:55 <GeKo> i guess by the time we start with the seasons of docs program 19:02:06 <GeKo> the design update to 9.0 needs to get done 19:02:24 <GeKo> so it might fit actually (and could cover the FPI part, too) 19:02:31 <GeKo> so, yes, good idea 19:03:03 <GeKo> okay, anything else for the status updates? 19:04:37 <GeKo> okay, discussion 19:04:44 <GeKo> sysrqb: you are up 19:04:49 <GeKo> with the meeting times item 19:05:34 <GeKo> so, one hour earlier 19:05:37 <sysrqb> right, given the time changes (clock jumps), would everyone be okay with moving the meeting 1 hour earlier? 19:05:46 <GeKo> how urgent is that? 19:06:04 <mcs> Europe has not switched to summer time yet (I think) 19:06:08 <pili> nope 19:06:14 <GeKo> could we wait until 4/1 because then there is daylight savings time as well 19:06:15 <sysrqb> ah, when doesthat happen? 19:06:20 <GeKo> 3/31 19:06:27 <GeKo> iirc 19:06:38 <sysrqb> ah, yes, sorry, i thought it happened this past weekend 19:06:38 <pili> I think so too 19:06:47 <sysrqb> i guess not :) 19:06:50 * pospeselr did not know europe changes their times as well 19:07:09 <sysrqb> okay, we can plan on 1 april, if that works for everyone 19:07:45 <GeKo> yes, that sounds good to me 19:07:50 <pospeselr> no objections here 19:08:08 <boklm> sounds good to me 19:08:09 <pili> +1 19:08:12 <sisbell> ok 19:08:41 <sysrqb> okay, great :) 19:10:25 <GeKo> okay, the final item on the current list then 19:10:42 <GeKo> i think everyone should have got an email sent to tor-employees today 19:10:58 <GeKo> it's about a review process we at tor want to implement 19:11:11 <GeKo> s/review/feedback/ 19:11:29 <GeKo> if there are any questions/concerns about that feel free to ping 19:11:34 <GeKo> me or anyone else you trust 19:11:46 <GeKo> and we sort those out 19:12:12 <GeKo> if there are any you have right now, please say so and we can talk about them 19:13:19 <sisbell> we need review from different team 19:13:42 <sisbell> I haven't had much interaction outside of this group 19:14:20 <GeKo> good point. i guess other folks have the same issue 19:14:27 <pospeselr> hm yeah same 19:14:35 <GeKo> sisbell: would you mind asking erin on the mailing list about that point? 19:14:43 <brade> does anto count for “outside of this group”? 19:14:48 <sisbell> sure, I'll ask 19:15:01 <antonela> sysrqb: on the Soliciting Feedback section, you can ask for peers from another team for feedback too 19:15:04 <GeKo> that way everyone can benefit and we figure that out fast 19:15:14 <antonela> sisbell: not sysrqb 19:15:48 <antonela> brade: am i another team peer :) 19:16:05 <brade> antonela: that’s why I ask 19:16:16 <antonela> i think yes, even when you are my team! 19:16:31 <GeKo> i think technically that's a different team, yes 19:16:51 <pili> I would agree with that also 19:17:11 <pospeselr> looks like anto's going to be getting a bunch of feedback requests :p 19:17:24 <antonela> :) 19:17:39 <GeKo> okay, do we have anything else to discuss today? 19:17:44 <mcs> still, it is a valid issue to raise from a process point of view 19:17:55 <brade> any progress on hiring? 19:18:27 <GeKo> brade: i am waiting on erin to get back with the references check 19:18:38 <brade> GeKo: that’s what I guessed 19:18:43 <GeKo> and then based on that i thought about reviving the discussion on the mailing list 19:19:12 <GeKo> but all of you could meanwhile try to get an opinion on how you'd like to proceed 19:19:22 <GeKo> based on what you heard/read during the interview 19:19:31 <GeKo> and all the other facts available 19:19:41 <antonela> should we do that on the list? or the pad? or? 19:20:26 <GeKo> i have no strong opinions about that 19:20:43 <pospeselr> #tor-internal ? 19:21:08 <GeKo> i thought everyone was thinking about it and then we have the final discussion on the mailing list after erin got back to us 19:21:17 <pili> I think we should use the job mailing list 19:21:24 <pili> on the relevant thread 19:21:25 <GeKo> but i am fine having something else instead if folks prefer 19:21:36 <pili> but also open to suggestions 19:21:41 <pili> or we can open a new thread 19:21:42 <pospeselr> yeah that sounds reasonable 19:21:49 <antonela> GeKo, yes, i thought the same, lets wait for erin 19:21:51 <pospeselr> re: relevant thread 19:22:09 <pili> ok 19:23:39 <GeKo> okay, one final note: we plan to release another alpha in about two weeks and shortly after that tor browser 8.5 (i hope) 19:23:53 <GeKo> so please work on your tbb-8.5 tickets 19:24:04 <GeKo> and if you don't know what to do, just ping me 19:24:20 <GeKo> that said: thanks for all your hard work and happy tor-browser-improving this week *baf* 19:24:23 <GeKo> #endmeeting