17:58:12 #startmeeting Tor Browser Release Meeting 2023-09-18 17:58:12 Meeting started Mon Sep 18 17:58:12 2023 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:58:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:58:23 welcome, releasers 17:59:22 thine pad is hither: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-browser-release-meeting-keep 17:59:49 /o 18:00:17 please add any releases you'd like to discuss, and/or anything else to the agenda 18:00:32 otherwise we have plenty to talk about re: 13.0 18:00:33 o/ 18:00:49 o/ 18:00:53 o/ 18:01:13 o/ 18:02:11 * richard frantically organises the gitlab boards 18:05:01 okay I've added some things to the agenda 18:05:18 otherwise it's over to you to kick off the discussion about 130 richard? 18:05:25 ack 18:05:49 behold our beautiful board: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/applications/-/boards?label_name[]=13.0%20stable 18:05:54 * ruihildt[m] waves from far. .' 18:06:10 o/ 18:07:07 i'm going to do a pass today after this meeting for things that can be kicked from ~Next to ~Backlog 18:08:23 the bulk of the the things in ~Next currently are either mozilla reviews or the meta issues tracking them 18:09:58 re: mullvad must haves, the only thing siting in next that we have to resolve are mullvad-browser#228 and mullvad-browser#189 18:10:04 not sure about 189 18:10:49 everything else has been kicked to the 13.5 alpha with some tentative plan to backport to stable 18:12:07 Oh dear, the pref review is in ~Next 18:12:48 That was a big one last year 18:13:34 yeah 18:14:10 well if we don't make end of next week we can always backport security paches 18:14:21 we've done it before, not ideal but not the end of the world 18:14:37 donuts: we have anoher alpha scheduled for the end of this week 18:14:48 richard: ack 18:15:47 the other thing sticking out is the YEC 18:16:12 what's your deadline for the final asset? 18:16:18 well, *our* deadline 18:16:21 remeind of the dates 18:16:31 oct 16 for the first gated thing yes? 18:16:33 erm 18:16:36 nicob is that still accurate? 18:17:00 sorry I assumed we had to have it finalized for 13.0 18:17:09 unless you were planning on doing a rapid followup release 18:17:12 yes oct 16 donuts 18:17:16 ty 18:17:26 yeah if we didn't want any more stables after 13.0 then we need it sooner 18:17:44 are we talkin' before you start buildin' next week? 18:17:45 but if stable slips in some fashion the deadline for assets can slip as well 18:17:47 basically, end of this week? 18:17:58 yeah ideally^ 18:18:12 cool ty 18:18:12 nicob how does that sound? 18:18:32 there's some wiggle room depending on how much the 13.0 todo list makes the devs sad 18:18:44 in that the release may be later than EO next week 18:18:45 can work on YEC strart with WIP assets and have those be swapped out either before merge or you know, maybe theres a week of WIP assets before 13.1? 18:19:20 dan_b: unfortunately the wip assets were slightly controversial 18:19:31 so I don't think we can release with them 18:19:33 ooooh controversy 18:19:41 * dan_b needs to go cacth up on those issues 18:19:47 donuts that should be good re: timing 18:20:06 dan_b: how much effort do you anticipate backporting any 13.0 YEC UX to 12.5? 18:20:15 dan_b: the roots easter egg spelled "TOR" in all caps for stylistic reasons, rather than our house style "Tor" 18:20:35 becuase we'll need to make that call at like, the end of this month if we end up having 12.5 stable out in october 18:20:47 richard... off the top of my head i want to say copy / paste 18:21:03 henry-x: same question for Desktop if you're around 18:21:14 but trying to think if any of the rewiring we did in 13.0 might have been near there making it a slight effort 18:21:29 i think it should be *mostly* copy paste 18:21:45 almost for sure just drop in 18:21:46 i woul expect desktop would also be realtively easy since *just* html+css+assets 18:22:13 cus we're not using any new android API things like text skew only introduced in API 28 or something lol 18:22:21 ok 18:22:33 lol dan 18:22:44 don't say we don't listen alright 18:22:47 <3 18:22:52 😄 18:22:53 i promise i will never skew text again <3 18:22:57 bwahahaha 18:23:11 well at least until we can figure out if we can reuse the html pages on android 18:23:31 tbh i think our pioneering localized svgs the year prior were even more painful 18:23:38 so basically we would need to release a 12.5-based tb with the YEC arouond the 10th of October 18:23:54 donuts: they were *so* fun to implement tho 18:24:12 honestly it was cool to see it work in practice 18:24:20 richard: at that point it'd be two more 12.5 18:24:34 Moz is releasing 115.3 on the 26th 18:24:41 so if we're releasing a 12.5 at that time frame we would need the backports in the week of the 3rd 18:24:45 yeah 18:25:04 It'd be this week 18:25:08 Not the week of the 3rd 18:25:11 sorry i got caught up in the nostalgia and missed why we're talking about backporting the yec to 12.5, is that in case 13.0 slips in a bigger way? 18:25:25 Later this week we should have the draft of the sec advisories already 18:25:32 PieroV: I was assuming we' have a release in the week of the 10th *just* for the YEC 18:26:56 Yes, but what's the threshold to decide whether we want to have a 12.5.5? 18:27:41 (assuming the 12.5 yec might be 12.5.6) 18:27:49 right 18:28:21 so 12.5.5 would be a next week release (if we don't release 13.0) and 12.5.6 mid-october (if we *still* don't release 13.0) for YEC 18:28:23 102.15.1 included only the webp fix, it didn't include all the other fixes 18:28:44 yes 18:29:29 ok, ill make a decision on 12.5.5 vs 13.0 later today after I've gone through ~Next again and see what can be pushed back 18:29:45 do we have any major non-code audit blockers? 18:30:07 Our profile review 18:30:22 pref audit? 18:30:26 Yes 18:31:03 what all is involved in that? verifying our prefs are still useful/not deprecated 18:31:18 Yes 18:31:21 is this something we could enlist thorin's help on? 18:31:25 Yes 18:31:34 * thorin hides 18:31:36 enlist/draft/ask nicely 18:31:38 He already wrote many comments 18:31:44 ^yeah exactly 18:32:19 Then we might want to test the update between 102 and 115 18:32:21 For https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/42101 18:32:37 100% 18:32:40 (and also the incrementals generation, since we're at it) 18:33:08 That is a bit of an unexplored territory 18:34:08 We've always tested the updater on nightly builds 18:34:13 argh yes 18:34:26 Doing it on other channel means overriding the other keys at least 18:34:49 But not a big deal, if it's the only problem 18:34:58 ok updater in my mind is the biggest unknown 18:35:08 ue to the renaming+that linux issue from 13.0a4 18:36:02 PieroV: can you prioritize checking that we can update from the 12.5 series to the 13 this week? 18:36:16 Yes 18:37:00 ok 18:37:33 is there anything else to worry about? any other must-haves/critical bugs for 13? 18:37:58 dan_b: how is he Andoid alpha? I've played with it a bit and it seems to work like 12.5 18:38:34 havent dont anything thrilling with it (no pt testing) but the basics are now all pretty ok since 13.0a4 18:39:03 i'm hoping to have the reviews for andoird done by end of week unless one needs a large amount of work 18:39:20 do you have access to the play store dashboard? 18:39:25 nope 18:39:35 ack ok let me add you 18:39:39 cool 18:39:51 it looks like we have some crashes in the stats 18:40:09 interesting. new craashes? or we always had some? 18:40:21 but its a java.lang.NoSucMethodError so presumably that's *fine* 18:40:28 loool eek 18:41:06 ok invite sent 18:41:17 i should invite claire too i suppose 18:41:19 k it ll prolly have to wait for me till later this aft 18:41:24 makes sense 18:42:41 ack 18:43:03 donuts: anything from you/UX? 18:43:19 yess 18:43:34 can you summarize the situation wrt to potential release dates for me please? 18:44:23 yes 18:44:45 so if updater is fine and no criticla blockers 18:44:57 plus all reviews happen+resolutions merged by mi next week 18:45:11 we coul be looking at a next thursday 13.0 18:45:14 (28th) 18:45:58 more realistically sometime the following week (Oct 6th'ish) an if thing get bad the week following 18:46:12 ack 18:46:22 i'll make a call later today about whether we need a 12.5.5 security backport release 18:46:32 depending on how much i can kick back to ~Backlog from ~Next 18:46:41 I'm a little bit confused about one thing with this schedule 18:47:11 richard: in the other meeting you said you want to be close to the release, regarding the rebase 18:47:48 So, if we don't rebase today/tomorrow (we don't have tags yet), we should do another alpha 18:47:56 richard: I'm gonna be traveling to attend a training all of next week and I'm already behind on email, so could you ping me on signal with any updates regarding release dates please? I'll be on IRC like normal this week though 18:48:10 donuts: can o 18:48:11 do 18:48:12 as mentioned in the pad, I'll try and prep the release materials asynchronously 18:48:20 ty ty 18:48:30 (which should be good to schedule, since we might get new issues about the backend changes) 18:49:15 are you saying 13.0a5 on 115.2.1, then a 13.0a6on 115.3 and then 13.0? 18:49:29 I'd do 13.0a5 on 115.3 already 18:49:40 yeah ok may as well 18:49:45 it should be a minor bit of work 18:49:51 If we don't, then we should absolutely do a 13.0a6 on 115.3.0 18:50:13 Yes, rebasing doesn't usually take long. We don't have to squash stuff, just rebase should be enough in this case 18:50:18 Since we're very packed with times 18:50:23 yeah agreed 18:50:39 okay last thing for me, do we want to do a QA day when the audits have been completed to find and fix any critical bugs before release? 18:51:00 boklm: btw while the rcodesign transition is important please hold off on merging until *after* the initial 13.0 release 18:51:48 yeah we can plan on a 13.0a6 early next week, QA day and if that is greenlit or has trival fixes transition ot 13.0? 18:52:05 or depending on code-churn just test on 13.0a5 18:52:12 sounds good :) 18:52:32 jagtalon will be on deck to represent the ux side of the QA, since i'll be mostly offline 18:53:03 yes! 18:53:30 ruihildt[m] we'll be sure to send 13.05 off to your QA as well an label it as a 'release candidate' 18:53:32 jagtalon: exact day is TBC, but richard will ping you when ready? 18:53:48 assuming i'm offline 18:53:57 yeah can do 18:54:00 donuts: was ask about the day haha yes that's good 18:54:01 ty both 18:54:06 ty! 18:54:08 we'll probably bring it up in the monday browser meeting 18:54:55 perf 18:55:13 ok 18:55:16 okay are we done for today? 18:55:17 its almost the hour 18:55:20 anything else? 18:55:24 Not from me 18:55:27 nada 18:55:51 thank you fellow releasers 18:56:43 i shall now return the bot to the cave from whence it came 18:56:55 #endmeeting