15:58:43 #startmeeting network-health 06/26/2023 15:58:43 Meeting started Mon Jun 26 15:58:43 2023 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:58:43 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:58:47 hello! 15:58:55 we have our pad at https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-nethealthteam-2023-keep 15:59:00 o/ 15:59:11 so, have a look at it and/or add your stuff you worked on 15:59:52 o/ 16:00:08 o/ 16:00:32 hey there everyone, i hope everyone is doing well 16:00:44 i have few questions to ask today 16:00:59 RishadBaniya[m]: go ahead! 16:01:40 o/ 16:02:36 what's the most optimal amount of circuits that i should involve a SINGLE RELAY within in a timeframe of 1 minute, i mean what do you think should be the judging criteria 16:02:47 of determining the no of circuits the RELAY is to be involved in 16:02:56 whether it's the first hop or the second hop of the circuit 16:03:33 i am not sure i get the question 16:03:36 RishadBaniya[m]: probably the limit is in the maximum file descriptors the relays can open by average 16:04:28 instead of trying to create a circuit with a relay and all the rest, you could also just build 1 circuit per relay and then go back to that relay 16:04:49 or you mean just to consider whether the circuit failed or not? 16:04:51 i mean the relays with the high consensus weight are the ones that are probably getting selected for the "real life" use cases, so will it be good to involve the relay in high number of circuits within a X timeframe 16:05:27 RishadBaniya[m]: i don't know about that, let's ask at #tor-dev after this meeting 16:06:05 yeah 16:06:52 i think juga's "build 1 circuit per relay and then go back to that relay" is a decent plan to start with as well 16:06:55 i was thinking of this algorithm, at any instant of time a relay can be involved in 2 circuits(one where it's the first hop and second one where it's the second hop) and after every completion of those circuit attempts we wait for let's say 30 seconds to create the next circuit until the relay makes circuit with all the remaining relays 16:07:24 but this delay of time, just to make sure we are not creating circuits too fast and adding load into the network seems 16:07:31 so dynamic in a sense that how to vary it 16:08:04 RishadBaniya[m]: yeah, you could avoid the delay with the just 1 circuit per relay at a time 16:08:40 but i'm not sure what's the best algorithm here, we can optimize it later on 16:08:46 +1 16:09:46 RishadBaniya[m]: do you have anything else we should discuss here? 16:09:57 sure, as of right now i'm planning on running all 6000 relays on their on async task doing things independently, kind of tracking who've already created circuit with and who they should build with....i guess i will overthink a bit tomorrow and the day after tomorrow to come with a better approach 16:10:31 sounds good 16:10:55 so should i only stick to one circuit at a time? 16:11:09 at the moment, i think that's fine and easier 16:11:14 yeah 16:11:31 and about the delay on creating the next circuit 16:11:39 should i fix it for now 16:11:42 for X seconds 16:12:09 if there's only 1 circuit per relay at a time, no need for delay 16:12:25 you could also have a variable for that, that we can change later 16:12:54 sure 16:13:11 Update on network status APIs: All good so far, I got both /summary and /details working as of now and I’m working on the /bandwidth endpoint right now. For the others I’m waiting to get pg access as I need to take a look at real data from the db to get a better understanding of how the object is created from those queries. Query params are half implemented for summary but I’ll work on those after setting every endpoint up 16:13:11 with the basic response. I’ll try to make a !2 by the end of the week with some of the endpoints working without query params 16:13:32 \o/ 16:13:34 very nice 16:13:41 xD yes very nice 16:14:41 let's see what i have on my list of things to mention here... 16:14:55 ggus: hiro: we should find a time to prep our all hands session about s112 a bit 16:15:19 we moved it to 07/05, which is next week... 16:15:31 i know somewhat surprisingly :) 16:15:38 :O 16:16:51 GeKo: do you think we should focus on s112 roadmap? 16:16:59 i mean i could ask pavel to move it again, but maybe that's not the smartest idea... 16:17:04 because bad relays is more than s112 16:17:08 you mean for the all hands? 16:17:11 yes 16:17:46 i think we should focus on the metrics-db 16:17:55 I was thinking to do a little show and tell of the data in the database and how we can query from grafana 16:17:56 and the new relay-ops processes 16:18:01 and have a few issues fixed on tagtor 16:18:05 hiro: yeah 16:18:20 and we could mention o3 briefly 16:18:31 so, focusing on o1 and o2 is likely the right thing 16:18:44 * juga is very interested in this demo 16:19:07 ggus: i think the roadmap for s112 could be part of it 16:19:25 but i would like to avoid just having the all hands be a roadmapping session :) 16:19:43 i think we should embed it into the larger context of bad-relay and network health work 16:20:07 showing how O1 and O2 make progess here 16:20:12 and what that entails 16:20:13 okay, happy to talk about o2 progress 16:20:22 (new tools and new processes etc.) 16:21:03 ggus: hiro: when would be a good time to nail the agenda down a bit? 16:21:17 what about thu 1400utc? 16:21:43 i can do thu 13utc 16:22:22 hiro: could we move our sync to 1400utc and we'd do the all hands prep on 1300utc? 16:22:33 yep on Thursday right? 16:22:48 yeah 06/29 16:22:57 yep sounds good 16:23:09 okay, 1300utc all hands prep it is, thanks 16:23:17 i don't have anything else 16:23:23 ggus: anything from your side? 16:23:36 * juga is good 16:24:12 GeKo: yes 16:24:36 i'll send the relay op meetup notes this week to the mailing list 16:24:52 nice 16:24:59 but i think it's a good idea to send an email about the relay operator metaproposal 16:25:12 wdyt? 16:25:49 yes, please 16:26:17 ok, i'll put together an announcement to the mailing lists 16:26:24 i think it would be good to give the relay ops community on tor-relays@ a heads up and the option to provide feedback 16:26:37 not just the folks who participated in the meetup 16:26:47 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/policies/-/issues/2 16:26:52 i think at least nusenu was interested in that metaproposal 16:27:12 and i don't know whether they were at the meetup nor whether they were following the ticket 16:27:33 hi, if you're reading this irc logs, please read this super important proposal ^^^ 16:27:40 heh 16:27:52 ggus: did you get any feedback from non-tpo folks so far? 16:28:16 no, not yet. but it was announced publicly on saturday. and it's a long document 16:28:30 true 16:28:56 okay. 16:29:02 anything else for today? 16:29:08 and the world was upside down last weekend. so i completely understand that reading the metaproposal wasn't high prio 16:29:26 true thing, hilarious 16:29:43 GeKo: i'm planning to call for votes this week: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/policies/-/issues/7 16:29:54 +1 16:29:56 i'll get in touch with sebastian 16:30:28 feel free to cc me to any email convo if you feel that's a good thing to do 16:31:23 ok! 16:31:28 alright, i looked over the other entries on the pad and the planned s112 work for this week looks good to me 16:32:00 ggus: you good? 16:32:11 hiro: ^ 16:32:19 * ggus is good 16:32:23 yep 16:32:25 * hiro is groot 16:34:31 great 16:34:39 thanks everyone then and have a nice week o/ 16:34:42 #endmeeting