18:04:43 <donuts> #startmeeting Tor Browser Release Meeting 2022-12-14
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18:05:01 <donuts> richard: can you add me to the calendar event pls?
18:05:09 <richard> hmm
18:06:02 <donuts> ty
18:07:16 <donuts> okay, everyone ready?
18:07:33 <PieroV> Yeah, I was having a look at the ~Next tickets
18:07:46 <PieroV> To see if I could find other blockers
18:07:59 <donuts> what are the ETAs for 12.0a5 and 11.5.8?
18:08:03 <richard> donuts: you're already on the invite
18:08:07 <richard> in fact you organized this meeting
18:08:39 <PieroV> lol
18:08:41 <donuts> richard: ahhhh it must be that weird nextcloud thing where if you're the organizer you don't get invited :/
18:09:05 <donuts> & it doesn't show up on your personal cal
18:09:22 <richard> yeah its on the release calendar
18:09:38 <donuts> in any case I can't edit it anymore, presuming it's because I don't have permission to change the release cal
18:10:24 <donuts> anyway
18:10:41 <donuts> ETAs for the next alpha and stable releases?
18:10:58 <PieroV> next alpha: it depends on the blocker
18:11:15 <PieroV> next stable: it depends on when Mozilla publish the security advisories
18:11:43 <richard> so probably targetting second half of this week early next week
18:12:05 <donuts> for both?
18:12:38 <richard> stable we can go once we have the security advisories so we know if there's anything to backport for Android
18:13:01 <donuts> okaydokes :)
18:13:14 <richard> did dan_b already get the en_US fix merged in tor-browser-build?
18:13:35 <PieroV> richard: I think I did merge
18:14:10 <donuts> I added to the discussion list that the release cal needs updated, since it still says 12.0 stable will be released next week
18:14:51 <PieroV> richard: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser-build/-/commit/89a99e58fc5002cc43651fb7ecb6338683ca52eb
18:14:58 <PieroV> I approved
18:15:03 <donuts> also gentle reminder that community need to know the changelog in advance so they can up date the manual etc. where necessary :)
18:15:03 <richard> ok great
18:15:08 <donuts> e.g. https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser-build/-/issues/40637
18:15:30 <richard> oh boy
18:15:38 <donuts> doesn't need to be the full changelog, just anything with a UX impact
18:15:53 <dan_b> yep the second tbb eng fix is merged
18:16:03 <richard> thx dan :3
18:16:36 <PieroV> donuts: I think we can reuse the 12.0a4 blog post then :D
18:16:45 <dan_b> tor-browser-build!577
18:20:07 <donuts> Shall we talk about blockers?
18:20:29 <richard> in other news i may be running into that issue that Arch user had reading the wrong libevent
18:20:44 <PieroV> Which one?
18:21:13 <richard> so their system wasn't looking in the tor adjacent dir for libevent, and instead loaded the system libevent (which had a missing export)
18:21:47 <richard> maybe not
18:22:11 <richard> point being I launch tor browser and it can't launch tor
18:22:23 <richard> get the tor has crashed dialog :/
18:22:29 <PieroV> It isn't def the new tor-launcher's fault
18:22:41 <PieroV> It must be perfect, so don't look there for bugs :D
18:22:44 <richard> haha
18:22:52 <richard> well let me see what nightly does
18:22:59 <PieroV> I think we can debug outside the meeting, though
18:23:03 <richard> yes yes
18:23:16 <richard> mystery crash may be a blocker^ we'll see later
18:23:17 <PieroV> next week is US holidays
18:24:07 <PieroV> So, we should really release early :D
18:24:19 <donuts> what's the latest with macos/universal builds? :P
18:24:45 <PieroV> I think boklm was building what should be the final testbuild, if everything goes well
18:25:17 <PieroV> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser-build/-/merge_requests/566
18:26:57 <donuts> great!
18:27:40 <donuts> what's "ma1's awesome job for letterboxing" under the wishlist for a5?
18:27:42 <PieroV> yep, but now macOS builds are failing because of packaged locales ^_^;
18:27:48 <donuts> oh, fun
18:28:02 <richard> ma1 fixed some issues in the letterboxing patch
18:28:15 <richard> which we def want to have :p
18:28:16 <PieroV> Yes, including a very old one
18:28:34 <donuts> nice, like bugs?
18:28:39 <richard> yes
18:28:57 <PieroV> Oh, I wanted to add a thing for langpacks, even though I deleted it
18:29:21 <PieroV> I've rebuilt old localized nightly builds, and the pack disappeared with the update
18:29:32 <PieroV> So I think we can use 12.0a5 to check also this
18:29:39 <PieroV> Without doing anything for now
18:29:48 <PieroV> Hence, not a blocker
18:29:55 * ma1 is flattered by the wording
18:35:10 <donuts> any UX changes or are they invisible improvements?
18:35:20 <donuts> oh sorry, richard already says "yes" to bugs
18:35:24 <donuts> pierov: what are you thinking re: forces stepping through 11.5.8? is it possible?
18:35:31 <donuts> *forced
18:36:00 <PieroV> It is, and I'm in favor of doing it
18:36:02 <richard> donuts: should be invisible/minor
18:36:07 <richard> re UX changes
18:36:23 <richard> PieroV: so the pan there is on the update side right?
18:36:26 <donuts> 👍
18:36:27 <richard> plan*
18:36:42 <PieroV> Yes
18:36:44 <richard> update server side I mean, do we need any changes to the browser in 11.5.8?
18:37:06 <PieroV> No, I think that the browser tells its current version
18:37:17 <PieroV> So, everything on the server side
18:37:32 <PieroV> boklm knows how to do it, he has already done a few times in the past
18:37:49 <richard> KK
18:40:41 <donuts> anything else for today? or shall I sleep the bot?
18:40:51 <PieroV> Not from me
18:40:52 <richard> i think we're good
18:41:02 <donuts> lovely, ty all!
18:41:07 <donuts> #endmeeting