15:58:41 <meskio> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
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15:58:46 <meskio> hello everybody!!
15:58:49 <meskio> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-anti-censorship-keep
15:59:02 <shelikhoo> Hi~
15:59:04 <meskio> feel free to add pints to the agenda and what you've being working on
16:00:45 <meskio> we have an empty agenda, is being a wile that we always have too much to talk, I will take that as a good sign that things are calming down
16:01:32 <meskio> ggus was sharing in another channel that we have since few days a spike of users from china: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2022-10-01&end=2022-11-10&country=cn
16:01:35 <Adetoye[m]> Hello 👋
16:01:56 <meskio> maybe related to us changing the default in circumvention settings from snowflake to obfs4?
16:04:16 <shelikhoo> both usage for snowflake and obfs4 was increased
16:04:28 <shelikhoo> it was hard to say whether it is for tech reason
16:04:28 <meskio> true
16:04:33 <dcf1> where/when did the circumvention settings change happen? is it in rdsys-admin?
16:04:34 <shelikhoo> or just social one
16:04:46 <meskio> dcf1: yes, it is in rdsys-admin
16:04:52 <meskio> let me fetch the issue
16:05:12 <meskio> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/issues/99
16:05:31 <meskio> Oct 17
16:05:49 <dcf1> ty, will add to metrics timeline
16:06:06 <meskio> good idea
16:06:07 <ggus> and i'm seeing more chinese users on my bridges
16:06:37 <meskio> dcf1: is the timeline a repo around that we can send merge-requests? or something you manually edit?
16:07:26 <dcf1> meskio: merge request works, I will freelly give out write access too if it helps
16:07:29 <dcf1> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/timeline#how-to-contribute
16:08:14 <meskio> thanks, I didn't know where it lived, I don't think I need write access for now, but we'll see :)
16:10:27 <meskio> if we don't have anything else to discuss maybe we can pick up a paper for our reading group, is being a while...
16:10:41 <meskio> anything intersting in your queue?
16:11:23 <dcf1> There is a paper building on Salmon called "Lox" to appear at PETS 2023, not sure if the PDF is online yet https://petsymposium.org/2023/paperlist.php
16:11:43 <meskio> ohh, true, I heard about it but haven't read it yet
16:12:03 <cohosh> lol that's what i'm working on now
16:12:12 <cohosh> seeing if we can integrate it
16:12:16 <meskio> :D
16:12:22 <meskio> cohosh: is the paper already public?
16:12:25 <cohosh> tor wrote in a bunch of grants that we'd do reputation based bridge distribution
16:12:36 <shelikhoo> SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG for me.... I will check again with another browser
16:12:46 <cohosh> i have a copy from the authors, i don't think it's public yet
16:13:08 <meskio> ohhh, then I guess we need to wait for the reading group to be public
16:13:09 <cohosh> i'll ask if they have a preprint
16:13:18 <dcf1> Otherwise there's https://github.com/net4people/bbs/wiki/Reading-list
16:13:49 <cohosh> the source code is available: https://git-crysp.uwaterloo.ca/iang/lox
16:14:04 <cohosh> but that's not really good for reading group :)
16:14:47 <meskio> XD
16:15:40 * meskio looks on the reading list
16:16:36 <cohosh> maybe one of the DoT/DoH/encrypted DNS blocking papers?
16:17:56 <meskio> yes, anyone that rings your bell?
16:19:52 <cohosh> Measuring DoT/DoH Blocking Using OONI Probe: a Preliminary Study?
16:20:04 <meskio> sounds good to me
16:20:21 <meskio> BTW, the one about encrypted DNS in the reading list wasn't the one we discussed some months ago?
16:20:28 <meskio> https://shhaos.github.io/papers/www21-DoE.pdf
16:20:40 <meskio> my memory is pretty bad
16:21:08 <dcf1> could be, but the purpose of this list is to document what still needs a written summary anyway
16:21:19 <meskio> :)
16:21:44 <meskio> good, so we are picking up: https://www.ndss-symposium.org/ndss-paper/auto-draft-123/
16:21:59 <shelikhoo> yes! +1
16:22:30 <meskio> in two weeks?
16:22:43 <meskio> Nov 24?
16:23:18 <cohosh> sounds good
16:23:47 <dcf1> that's U.S. thanksgiving btw
16:24:09 <meskio> ahh, let's push it to the following week just in case then
16:24:19 <meskio> Dec 1
16:25:24 <shelikhoo> yes. sounds great!
16:26:14 <meskio> anything else for today?
16:26:34 <shelikhoo> nothing from me
16:27:27 <meskio> cool, a short meeting
16:27:40 <meskio> #endmeeting