16:58:40 #startmeeting Network team meeting, 31st october 2022 16:58:40 Meeting started Mon Oct 31 16:58:40 2022 UTC. The chair is ahf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:58:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:58:42 hello hello 16:58:47 o/ 16:58:56 o/ 16:58:59 o/ 16:59:05 o/ 16:59:05 pad is at https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2022.1-keep 16:59:32 hihi 16:59:44 o/ 17:00:09 ok, let's go 17:00:21 how are folks doing with their boards: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/core/-/boards 17:00:29 things have been cleaned up quite a bit here in the last two weeks 17:00:39 my board is semi-relevant till 1.1 is out, but I think i'm doing ok... 17:00:51 What nickm said 17:00:57 ya, let's not think much further than 1.1 for arti folks :D 17:01:16 i don't see anything off either 17:01:35 dgoulet: anything on the tor release front? 17:02:53 I'm hoping this week! Trying to finalize loose ends 17:02:58 but should be "soon" 17:03:01 (tm) 17:03:10 cool 17:03:18 if there's anything i can do to help, just ask 17:03:27 sure thanks 17:03:38 I'm busy with arti 1.1, but there are frequently times when a distraction would help my brain 17:03:46 we don't have anything incoming from other teams other than the faravahar ticket, but dgoulet is on that 17:04:27 eta, Diziet, nickm: are y'all up for an irc sync on where we are with 1.1.0 tomorrow at 14 UTC? 17:04:58 sure 17:05:21 SGTM 17:05:25 +1 17:05:55 ok, perfect 17:06:11 we have no announcement or discussion topics 17:06:21 i think non-s61 people can go do something else now and then mikeperry can take over? 17:06:45 ok 17:07:33 so I am working on sims to test david's latest fixes and changes, and test the ability to lower the outbound queue limit at relays 17:07:56 that involves tuning onion service congestion control params, and doing exit upload sims 17:08:27 the end result should be less memory pressure at guards, and possibly some ancillary mitigation of exit connect floods 17:09:26 geko also looked at the sbws ratios for Artikel10. it looks like their situation was vastly improved by their surgeprotector tool 17:10:24 nice 17:10:25 geko,juga: how is sbws going otherwise? I remain very distracted :/ 17:10:46 mikeperry: going good, deploying tomorrow sbws!150 17:10:53 to try the uploads 17:11:11 (in longclaw's sbws) 17:11:39 juga: is that weird issue with SS flag toggling between 0 and 1 still happening? 17:11:43 nope 17:11:50 need to reply to that still 17:12:15 but after debugging more, it isn't happeing, i was just confused 17:12:50 ok. and did you get a chance to see if the connection failures/transfer termination were correlated with CIRC CLOSED/FAILED REASON=DESTROY control port lines? 17:13:06 i only got REASON=REQUESTED 17:13:10 so i guess not 17:13:32 i wanted to do more tests on that 17:13:45 hrmm ok lmk 17:14:42 ok 17:14:44 what was the thought here if the reason was DESTROY? 17:15:24 DESTROY events could be caused by our queue limits closing sbws circuits 17:15:33 ah 17:15:43 but reliability could also be bad because of the exit dos. it is just unclear at this point 17:16:36 yeah 17:16:43 dgoulet: do you have those additional metricsport metrics for congestion control written down? did you want to go over those again this week, or you just gonna write up a patch? 17:16:57 does sbws have something like metricsport that could be put into the shiny new castle that dgoulet is building? 17:17:01 mikeperry: I'm just going to go for the patch. And yes, I basically copied the IRC log :) 17:17:22 ok. I am happy to review that 17:17:25 +1 17:17:57 ahf: nope, but an issue can be opened 17:18:03 this might help with sbws, too. I can think about adding stuff for that if it seems obvious to me during review to add easy additional things there 17:18:27 keep in mind that MetricsPort right now, except for HS, is solely relay side 17:18:42 and I kind of want to keep it that way because our glorious arti :) 17:18:42 juga: i can create one for sure, but it is not something you have to jump on just because i create it 17:18:44 oh, so normal client things can't go into it? 17:18:45 (I don't think meetbot was started, is that wanted?) 17:19:02 mikeperry: yeah... no, client side stuff, not really 17:19:09 i think it was, trinity-1686a ? a bit over 17 UTC 17:19:13 I mean things work for client also sometimes but mostly it is for relay monitoring 17:21:53 ok 17:22:18 hiro: got your pm about torctl dropped events. did you want to talk about that now, or just bbb or sth later? 17:23:20 ahf: my bad the matrix-irc bridge was restarted just at that time, so it probably missed a few messages 17:23:26 ah :D 17:23:50 otherwise, next monthly s61 sync is 18utc nov 7th. I will have the pad updated by Friday 17:24:05 mikeperry: i take it the uploads in the shadow sims are working for you now? 17:25:03 jnewsome: they seem to be. I might try to grep out the DESTROY events from client logs this week. I am gonna try some more sims first tho 17:25:32 mikeperry: ok cool :) 17:25:42 jnewsome: did you make other shadow changes that got folded in? I am seeing slightly lower queue overload in these sims generally 17:25:57 mikeperry: hmmm, no 17:26:15 it could be because doing bidirectional activity means that we're more symmetric and less likely to pile all traffic in the inbound queues 17:26:42 well, when you enable 5 MB uploads, it'll do fewer of the other downloads; maybe that's it? 17:26:53 yeah possibly 17:27:25 we probably ought to bump the shadow version sometime, but yeah I've been avoiding it since I don't want to introduce changes that'd make results not comparable 17:27:41 ok 17:27:51 looks like this irc box is about to reboot. so might as well wrap it up 17:28:38 mikeperry: I have opened this ticket https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/metrics/onionperf/-/issues/40055 17:29:13 hiro: ok, will take a look. about to get booted off irc tho 17:29:14 I have a bug when processing multiple days data for onionperf a clients with tor 0.4.7 17:29:28 and I wonder if we are parsing the torctl logs correcly 17:30:33 ok is that a netsplit or something? 17:30:34 ugh.. mike is gone it seems 17:30:35 lol 17:30:57 ok, maybe we do the remaining sync when the network have returned to it senses 17:31:10 i'll mark the meeting as done and then we can talk in #tor-dev when folks return 17:31:12 thanks all <3 17:31:14 #endmeeting