15:59:59 <donuts> #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting, 25 October 2022
15:59:59 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Oct 25 15:59:59 2022 UTC.  The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:06 <donuts> pad is here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2022-keep
16:00:18 <donuts> please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda
16:00:33 <donuts> otherwise please feel free to fill out the weekly planning section :)
16:01:01 <nah> resistance
16:01:02 <nah> change
16:01:03 <nah> freedom
16:01:05 <nah> \o/
16:01:14 <nah> great work :)
16:01:23 <nicob> \o/
16:02:09 <nah> it's all last week, but still worth it to mention again haha
16:02:14 <championquizzer> absolutely <3
16:02:57 <donuts> haha sorry, forgot to update that bit
16:02:58 <donuts> there, done
16:06:29 <nicob> am done
16:06:35 <nah> done
16:06:36 <championquizzer> same
16:06:49 <donuts> lovely
16:06:52 * donuts checks the pad...
16:07:44 <donuts> nicob: I'm guessing you saw the sponsor's comment in the application icon ticket
16:08:00 <donuts> maybe we can catch up later on today, if you're ready by then?
16:08:21 <nicob> yep I did see that donuts
16:08:28 <nicob> and yes that should work!
16:08:33 <donuts> fantastic
16:08:43 <donuts> okay besides that I've got the only bold item
16:08:49 <donuts> "- Support 11.5.5 and 12.0a4 releases, coordinating with comms for the latter"
16:09:07 <donuts> basically the changelog for 12.0a4 is a monster
16:09:16 <donuts> thanks to the applications team's v hard work :D
16:09:23 <donuts> for ref: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser-build/-/issues/40627
16:09:23 <championquizzer> yeah :P
16:09:44 <donuts> the "big" things are:
16:09:56 <donuts> - Universal x86-64/arm64 bundles for MacOS
16:10:01 <donuts> - Multi-locale bundles for desktop
16:10:06 <donuts> - Ongoing accessibility improvements for desktop
16:10:11 <donuts> - and Onion auth fixes for desktop
16:10:45 <donuts> it's currently planned for release on Friday
16:11:04 <championquizzer> great
16:11:19 <donuts> as it stands this is our second last Alpha before 12.0 stable
16:11:27 <donuts> and the number of changes is making me a little nervous
16:11:30 <donuts> so I'm going to email comms today to ask them to do another round of Alpha tester recruitment posts
16:11:35 <nah> the multi-locale!
16:11:40 <nah> nice
16:12:29 <donuts> we're also going to email around internally
16:12:37 <donuts> but I'm open to ideas for how we can get more people testing :P
16:12:46 <nah> donuts: do we have a script to ask people to test specific changes?
16:13:01 <donuts> naturally the blog post gets crossposted to the Alpha Feedback section of the forum, but it doesn't get a lot of attention
16:13:42 <donuts> nah: my email to comms will include a description about the four big changes, we could maybe adapt that?
16:13:46 <championquizzer> donuts: qa testing recruitment is basically qa mailing list + forum + blog posts + comms (social media) right?
16:13:54 <donuts> the answer is kind of "test everything" though
16:14:01 <nah> i think including a couple of tasks encourage ppl to give their feedback
16:14:03 <donuts> championquizzer: right
16:14:27 <donuts> we won't do all of that again
16:14:33 <donuts> but I'm going to ask comms for a new round of social posts
16:15:15 <donuts> nah: we can do that, for sure
16:15:17 <nicob> maybe we can test a new recruitment graphics(s) for social?
16:15:35 <donuts> nicob: sounds good, what are you thinking?
16:16:07 <nicob> depending on what bugs you're looking for, could include some ui of relevant tasks so it feels like less of an abstract ask
16:16:36 <nicob> but open to other ideas too
16:16:50 <nicob> could simplify it, I know the last one was a little busy
16:16:58 <donuts> yep I like that!
16:17:12 <donuts> probably just simplify and paste the UI on a background or something
16:17:17 <donuts> to keep it quick and easy
16:17:23 <nah> i guess we can add a task about the multi-locales and about tor-launcher, just like pier mentioned in the ticket
16:17:36 <nicob> cool sounds good donuts. when are you hoping for it to reach social? today?
16:17:42 <donuts> kind of like: https://skiff.org/blog
16:17:51 <donuts> nicob: the release won't be going out until Friday
16:18:00 <nicob> oh okay so friday or after
16:18:04 <donuts> yeah exactly
16:18:08 <nicob> great
16:18:15 <donuts> it doesn't even need to be on Friday, next week is fine too
16:18:25 <donuts> there will be the usual blog post and tweets on friday obvs
16:18:47 <nicob> can't believe next week is november
16:18:55 <donuts> nah: yep, plus ask mac testers to test on mac, and the onion auth fixes
16:19:24 <donuts> okay this is great, let's try both of these ideas
16:19:35 <championquizzer> sounds good
16:19:47 <donuts> I'll start with emailing comms today and we can take it from there
16:19:58 <nah> nice :)
16:20:01 <nicob> cool :)
16:20:41 <donuts> championquizzer: I think it's over to you next!
16:20:52 <championquizzer> just a quick thing here: as with every release, i'll integrate the testing/qa into my workflow
16:21:07 <donuts> thank you ^^
16:21:12 <nah> :D
16:21:15 <championquizzer> also tracking ticket for prep Tb 12 release wrt support
16:21:17 <championquizzer> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/support/-/issues/40096
16:21:46 <championquizzer> happy to help in other ways if possible. let me know :)
16:22:18 <championquizzer> ok, i don't have mnay points to discuss just added some updates to the pad
16:22:20 <donuts> awesome, ty!
16:23:08 <championquizzer> we are continuously monitoring the censorship situation in iran as we receive user reports
16:23:41 <championquizzer> prep for the TB 12 release (ticket i mentioned above) is something i planned to do starting next week
16:24:00 <championquizzer> (i.e. november) <- nicob ;)
16:24:12 <nicob> hehe
16:24:30 <donuts> championquizzer: I think the release will probably get bumped into early December instead
16:24:35 <donuts> so we can make room for an extra alpha
16:24:41 <donuts> it's not official yet, but fyi
16:24:45 <championquizzer> sure
16:24:55 <championquizzer> donuts: but 11.5.5 is the last stable right?
16:25:02 <championquizzer> before TB 12
16:26:30 <donuts> championquizzer: that was the plan, but there could be an unscheduled release if there are CVEs that need beackported and 12.0 gets delayed
16:26:53 <championquizzer> i see
16:26:55 <championquizzer> ack
16:28:02 <donuts> any early feedback about CN & HK? :D
16:28:18 <donuts> also I'm curious what the "YEC related user support work" is like
16:28:37 <nah> ^ +1
16:28:45 <championquizzer> re. CA in CN& HK. nopes unfortunately.
16:29:35 <championquizzer> so during the YEC there's always a good deal of questions we receive from (likely new) users
16:30:01 <donuts> :o
16:30:15 <championquizzer> also a lot of user support questions get posted to the donation@. info@ queues
16:30:45 <championquizzer> so basically a lot of users are curious about how Tor works, etc things like that :)
16:30:58 <donuts> ohhhh, because of the extra publicity?
16:31:04 <championquizzer> yep
16:31:16 <donuts> I was assuming the YEC takeover was causing confusion somehow
16:31:22 <donuts> okay that makes sense then :)
16:31:23 <championquizzer> oh no
16:31:24 <nicob> thats what i was worried about too lol
16:31:26 <donuts> ha
16:31:35 <donuts> STAND DOWN EVERYONE
16:31:42 <donuts> THE UX IS OK
16:31:44 <nah> haha
16:31:45 * championquizzer should have phrased that properly /o\
16:31:49 <championquizzer> sowwy!
16:31:53 <nicob> hehehe
16:31:56 <donuts> lmao
16:32:12 <donuts> okay well I think that brings us to the end of the pad
16:32:20 <donuts> thank you all for your hard work
16:32:37 <nah> thank you all!
16:32:40 <championquizzer> thanks all <3
16:32:45 <nicob> thanks y'all o/
16:32:48 <donuts> have a good week! o/
16:32:51 <nah> o/
16:32:57 <donuts> #endmeeting