16:00:05 #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting, 4 October 2022 16:00:05 Meeting started Tue Oct 4 16:00:05 2022 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:11 pad is here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2022-keep 16:00:20 please add anything you'd like to discuss this week to the agenda 16:00:34 otherwise please move straight to adding your updates to the pad 16:03:03 please sound off when you're ready :D 16:03:16 ready 16:03:20 me too! 16:03:48 i need another sec! 16:04:18 we have 45 minutes remaining, so please take your time ^^ 16:06:03 ok done 16:06:21 great 16:06:25 * donuts checks pad... 16:06:46 looks like I've got the only bold item 16:07:07 so last week nah, gaba and I worked on the UX team roadmap and kanban for Q4 16:07:17 you can find the roadmap here: https://www.figma.com/file/n4ETd0cUkcfj3KyclJQnt3/UX-Team-Planning?node-id=0%3A1 16:07:28 and you should know where the kanban is, but it's here too: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/boards?scope=all&label_name[]=UX%20Team 16:07:39 everything should now be switched over to Q4 or closed 16:07:56 if you have any Q3 tickets still assigned to you, please do one of those two things lol 16:08:24 the roadmap format has changed a little too 16:08:42 rather than having a row for each sponsor, the rows now represent work areas 16:09:03 I thought this would be a better way of seeing how much of a balance we're striking vs a vis our responsibilities 16:09:19 So those are Browser, VPN, Web, Outreach, Operations and Other 16:09:27 sponsors are now color coded to make up for that 16:09:30 it also so much more clean than the last time :) 16:09:51 it's also less granular than last time, so we don't have to micromanage it when we miss a roadmapped item by a week or two 16:10:12 currently the smallest unit is 1 month long, and several tickets are often wrapped up into one megatask 16:10:22 i think this gives us a better birds eye view of the team's workload 16:10:26 ha ty nah 16:10:47 I've added Q1 2023 to the end too, and I think we should just add stuff to it as soon as it's scheduled 16:10:52 e.g. usability research 16:11:03 rather than waiting until the end of the quarter to add things 16:11:14 we'll still do an end of quarter planning session to review the roadmap and tidy it up 16:11:26 but I'd like to start taking more of a long term view where possible 16:11:32 yep! so we can have a better view in case other projects come up 16:11:37 +1 16:11:46 sounds great 16:11:48 okaydokes, any questions/comments on all of the above? 16:12:22 i'm good and on board 16:12:31 all good here 16:12:39 fantastic 16:12:53 championquizzer: I think it's over to you! 16:13:04 thanks! 16:13:24 and sorry i forgot to put the item in bold before the meeting started :p 16:13:41 baha no worries, you have an evergreen segment anyway 16:13:49 ok, so our user support channels have been super busy for the past couple of weeks 16:14:02 wrt the situation in iran 16:14:16 this is the user guide https://forum.torproject.net/t/iran-circumventing-censorship-with-tor/4590 16:14:34 we keeping track of the situation and trying our best to keep it updated 16:14:47 <3 16:15:03 thank you and the community & ac teams for all your hard work 16:15:09 i saw it in nina's monthly report! so much work 16:15:10 <33 16:15:11 there has been a overwhelming number of tickets tbh, so i am still processing lot of the feedback 16:15:15 +1 thank you 16:15:31 but a few thigs i want to discuss 16:15:42 which i think have been pain points wrt ux 16:16:32 1. we have been pointing users to download TBandroid from fdroid since the main website and mirrors are blocked 16:17:02 i see a lot of confusion with how to enable the GP repo, etc 16:17:23 I'm not surprised at all 16:17:27 it's really not user friendly 16:17:44 and our website/docs don't do a great job of setting user expectations 16:18:31 another issue is while downloading from the website / mirror (when those work) 16:18:34 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/web/support/-/issues/258 16:18:45 Short term we can improve those – but we should really consider our own f-droid repo or some other alternative in the longer term too 16:19:41 those sound good donuts 16:20:16 ok, regarding 258^^ 16:20:34 it's not a easy answer to 'which apk i should install?' 16:20:45 not at all 16:21:02 android doesn't provide a way in it's settings to check the architecture 16:21:11 okay I've attached 258 to the main /download redesign task and bumped it to roadmap future, but we can still do something small urgently to help Iranian users 16:21:31 so basically what i end uo doing this is asking users about their device model and checking manually on xda developers etc :) 16:21:41 ty, donuts 16:22:38 I see antonela had an idea about using user agent 16:22:49 but I'm not sure how that would work with all the different device models 16:23:06 hmm, yep. but is the arch revealed in the user agent string? 16:24:41 a quick search isn't turning up much so far... 16:25:24 we could loop the devs in here in case they have any good ideas 16:25:29 we were discussing of writing some documentation on support portal but i see some challenges there too 16:25:37 donuts: good idea! 16:25:56 yes that was going to be my next suggestion! a "how do I choose which apk to download" help link 16:26:19 i'm not familiar with how this works on android, but I'm assuming the apks need to be manually updated? 16:26:31 since aren't updates for android usually handled by the store the app is downloaded from? 16:26:57 that's a good question 16:27:35 donuts: i'm afraid i have never checked this, will let you know 16:27:46 okaydokes, thank you! 16:28:10 2. signature verification on android 16:28:51 so since the official websites / mirror were blocked, i learnt that a lof of random telegram bots were distributing TB binaries 16:29:41 of course the recommendation is to use the @getttor bot on telegram but it doesn't share apk for android (that's being looking into and will probably get a update soon) 16:30:29 so i was looking for some instructions to point users to in the meantime so that they can verify if the apk files they downloaded are correct one 16:30:41 unfortuantely no good way to go on android 16:30:55 the best way is to use gpg verification 16:31:07 related, ggus also shared this today affecting users from CN: https://securelist.com/onionpoison-infected-tor-browser-installer-youtube/107627/ 16:31:15 yeah 16:31:45 for ref. https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/web/support/-/issues/10#note_2721239 16:32:02 we could really do with something more visual 16:32:19 the existing help page is a bit intimidating 16:32:20 https://support.torproject.org/tbb/how-to-verify-signature/ 16:33:22 is the plan to add android instructions to the existing page? 16:33:31 or split them out into a new page? 16:33:36 (maybe there isn't a plan yet, that's fine too) 16:33:51 yeah, there's not a plan yet :p 16:33:59 okay cool 16:34:12 this is another thing we can look into for the big /download project 16:34:32 I am collecting tickets here: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/web/tpo/-/issues/248 16:34:46 oh but if we do write some documentation about this, i would file under 'Tor Mobile' that is not on this same page 16:35:05 donuts: perfect! 16:35:22 championquizzer: ah ofc 16:35:30 makes sense 16:35:39 at some point we should redo the IA there 16:35:48 maybe when we're starting to think about VPN docs 16:36:12 it could be nice, for example, if a topic pages had tabs for platform specific instructions 16:36:17 rather than separating them out fully 16:36:28 with some generic, all platform instructions at the top of the page 16:36:48 oh i like this 16:37:14 I have a task in our backlog to do a tree testing study on this at some point XD 16:38:04 we're definitely neglecting web in the UX team this quarter 16:38:15 so we'll try and give it more TLC soon 16:38:44 (unfortunately TB 12.0, the mullvad browser and the VPN are putting a lot of pressure on the team this quarter) 16:38:53 sounds good! no worries :) 16:39:49 tysm for collecting all that feedback championquizzer <3 16:39:57 i think those are some ux pain-points i wanted to discuss, that's it from me on this topic 16:40:00 <3 16:40:10 nah: this could also give us some new ideas for extra mini-UR activities 16:40:30 if and when there are android instructions for PGP verification, we could test those for example 16:40:46 we could also test the f-droid flow now 16:41:06 yes. and we do have some testing to do with tba soonish 16:41:12 in fact, I think I'm going to start a pinboard somewhere where we can track "things we need to learn" 16:41:48 probably on the roadmap doc? 16:42:19 that works 16:42:45 awesome 16:43:03 okay I think that's it for this week 16:43:07 unless anyone has anything else? 16:43:41 nope! 16:43:46 thanks all! \o/ 16:43:59 ty all! 16:44:05 fantastic, tyvm everyone! hope you all have good weeks! 16:44:08 #endmeeting