15:59:59 #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting 15:59:59 Meeting started Tue Jul 26 15:59:59 2022 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:04 Pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2022-keep 16:00:52 hi championquizzer ^^ 16:01:02 nah/nicob: you around? 16:02:13 okay well while we're waiting, there's just one quick announcement: 11.5.1 should be released today 16:02:24 oh nice! 16:02:28 it contains important post-launch fixes to 11.5, including to the bridge card locale issue 16:03:14 I'm going to go ahead and update the pad while the others are shuffling in :) 16:03:43 great. we have been getting multiple reports of these so that's great news :) 16:03:57 re. bridge card locale issue ^ 16:05:25 championquizzer: apologies, I thought that would be the case so asked the devs to prioritize a fix there 16:07:02 okay, looks like it's just us championquizzer ^^ 16:07:14 thank you, donuts and no worries at all 16:07:22 quick reminder that everyone is AFK Thu-Fri and as such the UX shop will be CLOSED 16:07:35 so, my weekly planning section is pretty conservative 16:07:44 how are you doing championquizzer? anything new we need to discuss? 16:08:30 apart from the few known issues wrt 11.5 i think a new update i received was from users running into the samsung S22 bug 16:08:40 right 16:08:47 a user has reported that the workaround is not working for them 16:09:06 i am trying to extract some more information, and will add to the ticket after that 16:09:33 (the workaround as reported by a user earlier: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/fenix/-/issues/40216#note_2799350) 16:09:45 thanks, hopefully someone will be available to work on it soon 16:09:59 would you say this is our top reported bug on android atm? 16:10:12 yep! 16:10:19 okay I'll add that to the ticket, thanks! 16:10:29 a close second will be the one with the add-ons 16:10:42 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/40606 16:11:20 ops, sorry, lost track of time 16:11:23 but i'm here 16:11:33 aha hello nah ^^ 16:11:48 please go ahead and update your board, but remember we're off Thu-Fri so it's gonna be a short week 16:11:57 apart from this, since last week we are trying to learn more about Connection Assist and working on that user feedback. i will keep this ticket updated: 16:12:07 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/community/support/-/issues/40086 16:12:12 hi nah o/ 16:13:04 that's about it for the updates :) 16:13:07 nice! i'll keep my eye in that ticket too 16:13:10 thanks championquizzer 16:13:57 thanks championquizzer! i've updated those tickets 16:14:23 awesome. thanks! 16:14:30 one quick thing I wanted to discuss, is that I've started looking into tor-browser#41060 following the S30 usability testing nah has been conducted 16:15:14 it was originally intended to help `not connected` users, however a contributor in the ticket highlighted that it could be useful for `connected` users too 16:15:32 which gets us into tor-browser#40551 territory 16:16:06 anyway, I think I'm going to try and tackle all of these issues together and just redesign the modal as per tor-browser#40552 16:16:28 if the user configured their bridges in about:preferences 16:16:32 I'm curious what other pain points users run into with the existing Provide a Bridge UI though nah/championquizzer? 16:16:57 but didn't click connect, and then they come back to the address bar, the connect button would save their preferences and use it to connect 16:17:00 right? 16:17:19 or, would it just try the standard connection mode? 16:17:40 nah: are you asking about how it works now, or the change I'm proposing? 16:17:48 the change your proposing 16:18:03 ah right, cancel wouldn't save the configuration – no 16:18:13 we could add an additional button but I wonder if it's really needed 16:18:28 oh right 16:18:30 makes sense 16:18:35 so [Cancel] [Save] [Save & Connect] 16:18:40 but it starts to get messy 16:19:02 and if 99% of users are connecting immediately anyway, I'm comfortable omitting the option to [Save] 16:19:13 hello nicob :) 16:19:23 hi! sorry i'm late 16:19:46 and if they change their bridge, the connect would change to reconnect 16:19:50 or maybe just connect 16:19:54 nicob: no worries! 16:19:57 please keep in mind we're off Thu-Fri this week when you're updating your section of the pad 16:20:01 and plan accordingly 16:20:13 thank you yep, gonna update rn 16:20:39 i like it, donuts! users tend to follow the purple button, so they would connect sucessfully imo 16:20:45 nah: yep I'm thinking about just keeping [Connect] for simplicity, but I'm not really sure how it would work atm 16:21:02 i.e. i think all tor browser would need to do is build a circuit using the bridge 16:22:02 I think at this point I'll just throw some designs at the devs and let them tell me how impractical they are 16:22:04 however... 16:22:20 if you have any other ideas for improvements to the modal in general, I'd love to hear them :) 16:22:31 one thing I'm thinking of is some form of automatic formatting for bridge lines within the text box 16:22:48 because right now it's really hard to tell multiple bridge lines apart 16:23:38 i was just having a look at our bridges UI and the section 'Add a bridge manually'. do you think we can tweak the placeholder text a little bit 16:24:00 i think input address:port would not work 16:24:19 championquizzer: absolutely! that's mentioned at the top of the original ticket 16:24:32 in tor-browser#40552 16:24:39 I'm wondering what the best way to do that would be 16:24:59 woops, sorry, i missed it :) 16:25:26 like, is it enough to say "e.g. obfs4 xxxxxxxxxxxx cert=xxxxxxxxxxxx iat-mode=x" 16:25:39 or should the placeholder also explain what these strings mean 16:26:13 like the PT, the IP address, the bridge line and the fingerprint 16:26:48 yeah we do this right now, when sharing the unlisted obfs4 bridges 16:27:18 we just include a example (like you mentioned) 16:27:43 i wonder if some kind of diagram would be useful 16:27:49 it could be on the tb-manual page 16:28:03 like with an arrow pointing at the PT, the IP address, the fingerprint etc. 16:28:32 kinda explaining the anatomy of a bridge line 16:28:44 that's a good idea 16:28:49 agreed 16:29:13 the thing i keep wondering though 16:29:23 is that wouldn't it be nice if the text field also did that 16:29:51 but that's getting into some really heavy automatic formatting that may not be possible 16:30:06 like, highlight the different parts with some kind of label 16:32:01 okay, please feel free to add your ideas about formatting/placeholders to tor-browser#40552 16:32:10 and i'll experiment with some mockups in the meantime :) 16:32:14 will do, donuts! thanks for sharing 16:32:17 anything else for today folks? 16:32:18 thanks nah! 16:32:35 i'll check the last testings to see if there are any other pain points or suggestions from users 16:32:42 thank you :) 16:32:50 checking out the ticket now :eyes: 16:32:55 I'm sure there are plenty more S30 tickets we can create 16:33:03 I updated my section but I think I'm all good donuts! 16:33:27 actually nah, could you just DM me any other important issues and I'll create design tickets in applications/tor-browser? 16:33:32 i need to add the location settings issue too 16:33:33 will also keep an eye out for this and add any feedback to the ticket (re. 40552) 16:33:40 nicob: great, thanks! 16:33:42 yep! 16:34:00 perfect, thanks everyone! 16:34:08 have a great week! 16:34:15 thanks all! o/ 16:34:19 #endmeeting