15:59:00 <shelikhoo> #startmeeting tor anti-censorship meeting
15:59:00 <shelikhoo> here is our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-anti-censorship-keep
15:59:00 <shelikhoo> feel free to add what you've been working on and put items on the agenda
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15:59:08 <shelikhoo> hi~
15:59:31 <meskio> hello o/
16:01:36 <meskio> I kept the first point in the agenda, but not sure if we need to talk about it
16:01:39 <itchyonion> hello
16:01:54 <meskio> re about snowflake russia blockade
16:02:43 <shelikhoo> If I recall correctly, we are yet to have a tor browser with supported group patch applied
16:03:31 <meskio> yes, is someone working on that?
16:05:03 <meskio> I guess the silence means no
16:05:19 <shelikhoo> we should ask cohosh?
16:05:34 <meskio> I'm not expecting cohosh to be working on it
16:05:41 <meskio> but maybe I'm wrong
16:06:08 <shelikhoo> yes...
16:06:24 <meskio> so I guess the question is, do we really need the tor browser with the group patch and we need to find the time to do that? or can we have another approach to the problem?
16:07:03 <shelikhoo> we can build a version of snowflake-client, replace the binary, and then distribute it
16:07:14 <shelikhoo> instead of the full browser build
16:07:23 <meskio> that makes sense
16:08:06 <shelikhoo> unless we need something like mobile version
16:08:33 <meskio> do I understand correctly that the plan is to produce something to hand out for people to test and confirm it works fine?
16:09:12 <shelikhoo> I think it is the plan
16:09:17 <meskio> great
16:09:55 <meskio> shelikhoo: can you produce that binary and produce the tor browser tgz with it?
16:10:14 <shelikhoo> yes, I will do that!
16:10:18 <meskio> great
16:10:40 <meskio> once is ready we can talk with ggus to see how to ask people to run it
16:11:18 <shelikhoo> yes, anything more on this topic?
16:11:33 <meskio> not from me
16:11:35 <shelikhoo> the next topic is
16:11:35 <shelikhoo> BridgeDB provides offline bridges（example，https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/A0B6EBF970BBA8411AB032A36C026B387A4BF7CF）
16:12:21 <meskio> I don't know anything about it, but in my queue of things to investigate there are other quirks on rdsys/bridgedb distributing bridges that should not be distributed:
16:12:24 <meskio> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/issues/80
16:12:41 <meskio> I'll add that comment to this issue and investigate it
16:12:49 <meskio> does someone has more info about it?
16:12:50 <shelikhoo> Yes, I don't think meskio is the one that added this topic
16:12:58 <meskio> (that point was already in the pad few days ago)
16:13:13 <shelikhoo> yes... maybe yet another unattended topic
16:13:18 <meskio> yep :)
16:13:40 <shelikhoo> let's just move it to that ticket and discuss there
16:13:49 <meskio> +1
16:14:19 <shelikhoo> we should have a rule that each topic should identify source
16:14:46 <shelikhoo> so that we know who provide more context during the discussion
16:15:06 <shelikhoo> (just an opinion)
16:15:09 <meskio> yes, or at least not expend much time if the person that added it is not around
16:15:21 <shelikhoo> anything more on this topic?
16:15:22 <shelikhoo> wolpertinger retirement
16:15:22 <shelikhoo> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/wolpertinger
16:15:22 <shelikhoo> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/team/-/issues/85#note_2819202
16:15:33 <meskio> yes, this one is mine
16:15:45 <meskio> I'm looking at retiring wolpertinger
16:16:13 <meskio> wolpertinger is a service designed to distribute bridges to projects like ooni
16:16:38 <meskio> but we haven't found a good way to provide bridges to ooni and don't leak them to censors
16:16:50 <meskio> AFAIK is not in use, but it is deployed in polyanthum
16:17:14 <meskio> I think we can retire the service and archive the project, and if we revisit the idea in the future we can bring it back
16:17:32 <shelikhoo> yes... I have no objection to this
16:17:43 <meskio> so if someone knows of it being used anywhere or have an opinion against the retirement I'm all ears
16:18:47 <meskio> anyway, I'll wait a couple of weeks just in case before shutting it down
16:19:30 <shelikhoo> yes, I think this is the last topic in the discussion....
16:19:41 <shelikhoo> anything more we need to discuss in this meeting?
16:20:27 <meskio> not from me
16:20:43 <itchyonion> +1
16:21:15 <shelikhoo> okay, let's call it a meeting.... ^~^
16:21:16 <shelikhoo> #endmeeting