15:59:25 #startmeeting network-health 05/09/2022 15:59:25 Meeting started Mon May 9 15:59:25 2022 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:25 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:30 okay 15:59:31 o/ 15:59:51 http://kfahv6wfkbezjyg4r6mlhpmieydbebr5vkok5r34ya464gqz6c44bnyd.onion/p/tor-nethealthteam-2021.1-keep is our pad 15:59:57 juga: hiro: ggus: 15:59:59 ^ 16:00:05 hola 16:00:14 and anyone else in case there is some net-health thing to discuss 16:01:30 o/ 16:01:49 oi gus 16:02:37 nothing is in bold it seems, great 16:02:52 ggus: is the obfs4 item from your side? 16:03:48 do we know what the problem here is? missing (backported) debian packages? 16:03:52 or something else? 16:04:00 which item? 16:04:08 We are seeing a lot of recently updated to 0.4.7.7 bridges with outdated obfs4 :( 16:04:09 (e.g. https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/5A530192F6BF58A20890B5C8A0F86F808A6D3024) 16:04:29 or maybe it's a glitch on the pad 16:04:32 dunno 16:04:53 i just put a "Discussion" over that line 16:05:09 ah, no, maybe someone else just dropped this one 16:05:10 hrm 16:05:19 hmm it wasn't me. 16:05:53 o/ 16:05:57 i guess we don't even have data how widespread that issue is? 16:05:59 juga: hi! 16:06:41 GeKo: yep, as we don't publish the obfs4 version 16:07:05 then how do we know the outdatedness? 16:07:24 good question, idk 16:07:50 it's one of irl's bridges i guess, which is mentioned there 16:07:52 there is a ticket about it. one sec 16:08:29 hmm i wonder where i get obfs4 from 16:09:20 deb https://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org $RELEASE main 16:09:34 where $RELEASE is bullseye 16:10:54 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/11101 16:11:34 nice, just 8 years old 16:11:51 I have compiled from source 16:13:01 I thought that was the usual practice for obsf4? 16:13:08 okay, i am not sure what we should do here. 16:13:29 i guess we should at first figure out how to get data for that 16:13:52 i think i can ping some a-c folks about that tomorrow 16:14:15 if irl is getting his obfs4proxy from deb.tpo and that is outdated, we should also ping deb maintainer 16:14:27 right 16:14:38 whoever that is 16:14:50 okay. i'll figure that out tomorrow 16:15:07 seems to be an important thing to track somehow, like eol tor versions 16:15:32 ggus: how is the 0.4.7.7 upgrade going from your pov? 16:15:44 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/obfs4/-/issues/33736 16:15:52 ah sorry, this is also relevant ^ 16:16:04 11101 will be in for 0.4.8 16:16:13 we already have an implementation of a fix + spec change 16:16:41 nice 16:17:52 0.4.7.7 stats: 3,179 relays running 0.4.7.7 version. 1064 exits of 1514 exits are runnin 0.4.7.7 16:18:34 nice! 16:18:39 there are some large families that still needs to upgrade 16:18:55 large as in by bw, right? 16:19:01 i've sent an email last friday 16:19:19 GeKo: no, as how many nodes they are running 16:20:47 it seems for bridges we have 16:20:49 934: 0.4.7 [31.92 %] 16:21:36 okay 16:21:51 ggus: do you feel we should just wait and see? 16:22:03 or is there anything we should to make the process faster? 16:23:17 last wait another week and then we can think about a new estrategy to ping operators? 16:23:30 wfm 16:23:42 and we're just thinking about exits, right? 16:24:07 that's the most important part right now, yes 16:24:07 or should we also have a plan for non-exits ? 16:24:11 ack! 16:24:37 okay 16:24:42 anything else for today? 16:25:03 i forgot to add in the agenda 16:25:09 but we will have the meetup soon 16:25:13 right 16:25:21 i have a pad for it, should we discuss it now? 16:25:27 on the 21st 16:25:51 https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-relay-meetup-may-2022-keep 16:26:18 hmm, looks like it's in chinese now 16:26:22 yeah 16:26:29 i was about to mention that :) 16:27:18 ggus: what about adding topics to it during this week 16:27:32 and then discussing them next monday if there is anything to discuss? 16:27:46 or is that too late for announcement purposes? 16:27:51 中继操作员聚会 -> Relay Operator Party 16:27:58 GeKo: sounds good! 16:28:13 then let's do that then 16:28:23 GeKo: i laready started to announce on social media + mailing list 16:28:26 how come that this is in chinese now? o_O 16:28:27 already* 16:29:00 GeKo: maybe someone visited it with an automatic translator plugin? 16:29:09 browser add-on* 16:29:15 yeah 16:29:25 it already happened once this year with the community team pad 16:29:42 hrm, first time i am seeing that... 16:29:54 maybe CCP is visiting our pads :P 16:29:59 anyway, any last thoughts/questions etc.? 16:30:00 hah 16:30:16 all good 16:30:33 thanks everyone then 16:30:37 #endmeeting