15:04:38 #startmeeting Tor Browser Weekly Meeting 2022-04-25 15:04:38 Meeting started Mon Apr 25 15:04:38 2022 UTC. The chair is boklm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:50 hi! 15:04:59 Hello! 15:05:28 pad for the meeting: http://kfahv6wfkbezjyg4r6mlhpmieydbebr5vkok5r34ya464gqz6c44bnyd.onion/p/tor-tbb-keep 15:07:10 o/ 15:07:14 A wild Richard appeared! 15:07:39 o/ 15:08:03 there appears to be some intermittent issue in the calendar to alarm clock pipeline that i'll be debugging after this meeting >:[ 15:08:20 (boklm already started the bot) 15:10:45 ok 15:12:03 alright jeremy, let's start w/ this arm tor browser nonsense 15:12:22 so over the weekend someone came in asking about an issue in some tor-browser arm fork 15:12:33 richard, yeah, sorry I didn't answer you on IRC when you asked, I was AFK until after you signed off 15:12:43 i pretty much agree wiht your assessment 15:13:03 oh it's fine, i figured if anyone knew about linux tor-browser on strange processors it'd be you :p 15:13:28 richard, indeed; I ran across that repo a while back because the Whonix guys asked me about it 15:13:35 the build outputs make me think tor-browser-build fork, but as you say no source and no contact infio for author so 15:13:43 as far as I'm concerned it's a curiosity 15:13:58 thanks for looking into it :) 15:14:10 richard, I wish the authors were more open to collaboration; I'd love to have help with this stuff 15:14:35 ok, so the next point! 15:14:37 what/where is this repo? 15:14:42 ah it's on source forge 15:14:45 i'm missing some context, but is this the same as: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tbb-dev/2021-April/001199.html 15:15:18 https://sourceforge.net/projects/tor-browser-ports/ 15:15:40 okay, yeah 15:15:57 sysrqb: seems to be! 15:16:06 i dug into it a bit last year, but I don't remember the details now 15:16:11 i'll try to remember what i found 15:16:29 i thought i responded to roger on the mailing list, but apparently I didn't. 15:16:35 sysrqb, if you can find their contact info, I'd love to chat with them 15:16:40 maybe i only followed up on irc 15:16:51 Jeremy_Rand_Talos_: sure thing! 15:17:31 thanks :) 15:18:01 if nothing else, it may be useful to coordinate with them to migrate their users over if we ever have an official arm build 15:18:13 but that's a pretty long-term view of it 15:18:15 anyway 15:19:02 so the next semi major thing 15:19:54 I sent a mail out last week which I think most on the team have responded; we're in early planning phases for some somewhat major refactor work/cleanup in Tor Browser 15:20:02 funded even 15:20:29 with the end goal of making it possible to build/use Tor Browser w/o tor but with the rest of our fingerprinting/security patches 15:20:42 (woo!) 15:20:57 Funded refactors, you say? I see the universe is happy with us again. 15:21:11 doc: https://pad.riseup.net/p/AHE22WDRMzRScldvJXe7 15:21:12 :) 15:21:24 oh hello, the applications team meeting event seems to have disappeared from the calendar 15:21:35 so that's a high-level roadmap plan of the work that needs to happen gaba and I drafted last wee, 15:21:47 donuts: well gald I'm not the only one 15:22:06 it looks like it's been fully deleted? 15:22:10 richard, dumb question: how is this different from just using the transproxy environment variable as works now? 15:22:16 I'll add a new one 15:22:38 but anyway, if you all could take a look, add any tasks that I have missed, and add your estimates where your comfortable, that would be most excellent 15:23:19 and it seems we have tentative agreement on a meeting this thursday at 1700 UTC to go over this and review any dicussion points that come up in offline-review 15:23:49 Jeremy_Rand_Talos: so this involves also removing a ton of Tor Browser tor-specific patches 15:24:19 richard, do those patches actually do any harm in transproxy mode? 15:24:46 richard: ty for pulling that pad together, i gave it a read and added a few notes 15:24:54 from a UX perspective yes 15:25:05 Ah, interesting 15:25:39 somewhere between half and a quarter of our patches are tor specific (ux, torbutton/torlauncher integratoin, etc) 15:26:01 richard, isn't TorButton relevant even without Tor, e.g. the security slider? 15:26:14 hehe yes it is 15:26:38 So the intent is to just remove the Tor-specific parts of TorButton? 15:27:22 so a big part of this work is merging everything (tor-launcher, torbutton, tor-browser) into Tor Browser, and rearranging our patches so that privacy/security stuff comes before some cutoff point 15:27:29 after which there will be tor-specific/dependent features 15:27:34 so security slider would come before that cutoff 15:27:36 Anyway sounds like a cool project, I know there is definitely demand for it 15:27:46 while things like onoin circuit display would come after 15:28:29 yeah I think folks are generally cautiously excited about it 15:29:02 but it's still in planning phase and so it may not happen if it's deemed too much work/will take to long/the whims of the funding gods 15:29:02 I guess I'm only cautious about "do we have enough people for this without stretching too thin" 15:29:25 yeah you and me both 15:31:23 ok and my final topic: Alpha 11.5a9! 15:32:01 *if all has gone will should be uploaded/uploading today 15:32:10 🎉 15:32:36 i'm very much looking forward to using boklm's revamped scripts next time around >:[ 15:33:09 does anyone have anything else to discuss? 15:33:21 nope 15:33:40 nope 15:33:52 i'm good i think 15:33:54 nothing here 15:33:58 nothing from me 15:34:16 i'm working on applications/team#6 but will have more to share next week 15:34:22 alright whomever is driving please pull over thank you 15:34:26 (specifically the campaign part) 15:34:56 (yay) 15:35:02 ( boklm: you're in control :) ) 15:35:05 #endmeeting