13:59:37 #startmeeting ux monthly sync 13:59:37 Meeting started Tue Dec 7 13:59:37 2021 UTC. The chair is donuts. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:59:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:59:58 hello everyone, let's give it a minute or two to see who's here today :D 14:00:06 pad, as always, is at: https://pad.riseup.net/p/1D8sK8Zy74b_0qclC97I-ux-team-monthly-2020-keep 14:00:13 please add your items to the agenda 14:00:14 donuts: the blog post was in the wrong place given historical posts (and so the script that generates it does not work) 14:00:23 hi everyone 14:00:30 hi sweet-curator! 14:00:35 hello o/ 14:00:35 the *other* link is a fallback link that just needed to be updated with the blog migration changing tags (or we never used that tag vOv) 14:00:59 richard: ahhh, but the fallback only worked on certain platforms? 14:01:13 hey championquizzer! 14:01:22 no the fallback url was just out of date 14:01:30 or it never pointed to the right thing 14:01:43 I assume it's fallout from the blog migration from years ago 14:01:46 right, I'm just confused as to why some people saw one link – and others got another 14:02:11 like some users got the broken link, and I got the tag link 14:02:20 i'm 99% sure we were looking at the same link 14:03:18 oh this was all reported pre-migration too 14:03:29 so the tag link was working at the time 14:03:33 so the falback url appears when there's no update to perform (I think) 14:04:13 ie if the browser knows hey we can get version X, it'll populate the version specific url, otherwise it links to all the tor-browser blog posts 14:04:20 if i recall correctly 14:04:27 ya that makes sense 14:04:33 okay I'll follow up in the ticket 14:04:56 let's get started for real :) 14:05:07 hello UX team 14:05:21 first thing on the agenda is Tor Browser 11, fittingly enough 14:05:51 we're continuing to provide user support for 11.0.1 on the forum, although the rate of support required has slowed down a bit 14:06:20 there's a release candidate out for testing for 11.0.2 for desktop too 14:06:51 hopefully that will see release soon, although will undoubtedly restart the user support cycle all over again because nobody reads the changelog 14:07:06 and assumes a new release = everything is fixed 14:07:36 there should hopefully be a workaround for the linux fonts issue in this release 14:07:49 Win10 issues are still being investigated by the devs 14:08:05 any questions? 14:08:15 donuts: great work with the 11 and 11.0.1 forum threads. ty! allowed me to focus on frontdesk :) 14:08:29 aha good I'm glad! anything you need help with championquizzer? 14:09:00 i'm good for now! ty! 14:09:21 great, on to the next item in the agenda! 14:09:40 we've started interviewing candidates this week for the brand designer position \o/ 14:09:50 nice! 14:10:37 yay 14:10:43 round 1 interviews should be concluded this week, and then we'll take the call on whether or not to keep the job post up 14:10:49 depending on whether any of the interviewed candidates get advanced 14:11:11 BUT, I'm hopeful that we'll begin 2022 in a better place resource-wise :) 14:11:22 \o/ 14:11:35 as a reminder, the long-term plan is for the brand designer to take a lot of the artworking/comms/fundraising/brand work off my hands 14:11:50 so will have the added benefit of creating more donuts time for UX Design and applications PMing 14:12:05 donuts: sorry to jump in, but PierVo seems to have narrowed down the cause of the windows x64 crash to a mozilla patch that we can revert until mozilla fixes it 14:12:21 (so good progress on that front) 14:12:24 richard: no prob, yeah I just read the bugzilla thread! 14:12:30 lots of great progress this AM 14:12:34 ikr 14:13:46 great week 2 investigative work by pierov ;D 14:14:13 any Qs on the brand designer/grand plan or shall I move on to the next item in the agenda? 14:14:41 sounds like a nope 14:14:52 okay next up: "UX Team Project Management – how can we improve it?" 14:15:19 I know I'm personally finding it tricky to keep track of work across the team, I'm not sure how you feel nah? 14:15:33 as a reminder we have the roadmap & planning board already: https://www.figma.com/file/n4ETd0cUkcfj3KyclJQnt3/UX-Team-Planning?node-id=0%3A1 14:15:40 and the UX kanban: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/boards?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&label_name[]=UX 14:15:56 the roadmap provides a good very high level overview, but quickly goes out of date 14:16:07 and the UX kanban is a mess of any UX issue across the entire org 14:16:15 and doesn't really reflect our weekly workload 14:16:52 So: I'm open to suggestions, whether that's just creating a new tag and kanban to track weekly work, or beginning weekly team meetings again, or both 14:17:16 yep 14:17:47 the planning board seems more easy to see things than the kanban 14:17:51 there did used to be a "ux-team" tag, and I'm wondering if that was for this purpose 14:18:00 i totally in for weekly meeting starting in january?! 14:18:09 i.e. to differentiate tpo UX issues form actual ux team work 14:18:13 or next week? :) 14:18:33 next week I'll be afk at the implementers festival 14:18:40 but let's do January! 14:18:49 great! 14:19:05 we can also start doing triage during the meetings too 14:19:06 shall we use the same Tuesday timeslot? 14:19:09 yesss 14:19:24 I'm thinking every team meeting starts with our todolists and a mini triage 14:19:28 like the good old days 14:19:41 tuesday 1300 utc works for me, but i'm open to change it if needed 14:20:25 you mean 1400? 14:20:45 yes, sorry 14:20:49 :s 14:21:00 tuesday 1300/1400 utc works for me as well but please prioritize what the members of ux team think :) 14:21:33 okay we'll keep it at this timeslot for simplicity's sake :) 14:21:45 I've added some notes to the pad, does that sound all good? 14:21:52 Reminder: https://pad.riseup.net/p/1D8sK8Zy74b_0qclC97I-ux-team-monthly-2020-keep 14:21:52 yess! 14:22:03 can we change the pad in january to 2022? 14:22:06 hahaha 14:22:18 ha! 14:22:25 we're gonna have to blast "monthly" too lol 14:22:30 new year, new pad 14:23:07 okay final agenda item, is this one yours nah? 14:23:11 yess! 14:23:22 4. Create research plan for volunteers 14:23:50 we have user researchers volunteering from time to time 14:23:58 a month ago i created this issue 14:23:59 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/51 14:24:10 but i didn't have time to work on this yet :( 14:24:26 Still open to assisting, nah :) 14:24:28 donuts and i have been talking about creating more than one research plan 14:24:37 that's okay, we've got a lot on atm 14:24:39 yesss 14:25:25 so, current plan is to work on... a research plan for desktop and another one for mobile 14:25:50 sweet-curator: happy you're around! :) 14:25:56 +1 14:26:07 thanks for waiting on us pulling this together too :) 14:26:13 for desktop we've been thinking about using connect assist research plan 14:26:53 * nah searching the link 14:27:06 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/53 14:27:12 for context sweet-curator, we're currently working on expanding torconnect (the window that connects you to tor) with functionality that will attempt to automatically circumvent censorship 14:27:29 Got it. Thank you 14:27:33 so if Tor is blocked, Tor Browser will try to solve the issue itself – instead of requiring manual configuration 100% of the time 14:28:34 yep! thanks donuts 14:28:55 think clippy but for onions 14:29:00 (j/k) 14:29:08 haha 14:29:15 so i think we also need to come with an onboarding process 14:30:00 For the VPN? 14:30:21 not sure if all volunteers will be comfortable running a research usability testing/interview 14:30:31 oh right sorry 14:30:33 I understand now 14:30:34 or would prefer to assist during the creation of methodologies 14:31:10 I think so long as we provide ample templates it should be okay 14:31:23 kind of like what OKThanks did 14:31:41 that's extra work though 14:31:48 but... maybe there will be a brand designer to assist 14:32:38 also, we need to talk about recruitment criteria. 14:32:54 because you have the template but where will you apply it 14:33:16 yep 14:33:23 maybe it could be graduated 14:33:25 donuts, yes! another side of research for the brand designer :) 14:33:40 like run your first session with friends/peers/fellow-students/colleagues 14:33:54 and then advance to more important groups 14:34:58 yep! i like this idea. we can have an open floor to volunteers to share their findings 14:35:03 in our weekly meetings 14:35:41 yes! 14:36:20 sweet-curator: how does it sounds to you? 14:37:04 Sounds good. May want a bit more context on what's already in place 14:37:06 once we have something pulled together, sweet-curator can review it and offer a volunteer's perspective too :D 14:37:11 All documented? 14:37:38 Or all from scratch 14:38:18 what do you mean, sorry 14:38:19 ? 14:38:24 volunteers would work on a research plan or usability testing that's on going from our side 14:38:40 with their own community 14:38:53 at the beginning 14:39:03 Ok. I was wondering to know if there was already a volunteer process in place maybe find out what worked well/didn't 14:39:09 and share findings during ux team meetings 14:39:36 ah right, we have a very barebones structure atm but the research activities themselves are all out of date 14:39:43 and don't reflect our current priorities very well 14:39:44 Ok ok 14:40:06 so this is a two-birds-with-one-stone kind of thing, updating our priorities and smoothing out the experience too :) 14:40:16 Got it 14:40:36 :D 14:40:57 ok, so i add this as the next steps 14:40:59 - create an onboarding process to volunteers 14:40:59 - send it to the mailing list 14:41:00 - open floor to share findings during the weekly meetings 14:41:38 sounds good! 14:41:58 this also perfectly leads us into the next topic 14:42:02 which isn't on the agenda... 14:42:25 haha 14:42:47 we're going to be on our holiday break on Tuesday 4th of Jan :D 14:43:14 so, the next time we'll be together to review any progress will be Tuesday 11th of Jan 14:43:34 and we'll pick up team meetings on a weekly basis thereafter 14:43:59 sounds good! :) 14:44:10 as you might have noticed, my regular item, i.e. the report, is missing from the agenda cause I will be publishing it by today 14:44:19 sorry about that 14:44:36 BUT i can discuss if we have some time 14:44:42 championquizzer: no problem at all, I sometimes add it to the agenda anyway but... *waves hands at december* 14:44:59 whatever you like, feel free to give us a few lines summary now :) 14:45:06 we have plenty time 14:45:07 great, ty 14:45:44 by faaar the most common issue we have to deal with last month was: TB 11 and 11.0.1 known issues 14:45:56 45 RT tickets! 14:46:01 uft 14:46:03 :o 14:46:36 then, 25 RT tickets - TB 11 incompatible with older versions of macOS 14:46:53 nothing we can do about that unfortunately 14:47:00 yeah 14:47:43 in fact any up to date firefox based browser will no longer work for them 14:48:10 9 RT tickets - Protonmail crashing on TB 11.0.1 and workaround (technically is one of the TB 11 known issues but we had to make a separate template for this) 14:48:24 it does bring up an important point for the VPN, in that we'll need to define our own limits of support for legacy OSes 14:48:42 (i.e. previous Android versions initially) 14:48:56 right 14:49:06 championquizzer: did you see today's update on the tab crashes issue? 14:49:23 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/40721#note_2764740 14:49:37 * championquizzer is looking 14:50:08 tl;dr it _may_ actually be a FF issue and has been reported to mozilla 14:50:17 but I'd caution against taking anything for certain atm 14:50:41 right but sounds like progress! 14:50:48 yep! 14:51:49 things will move a little quicker over the next couple of weeks now the team has an extra pair of hands or two 14:52:05 but it's a squeeze to get the builds out before we break 14:52:12 builds/releases 14:52:15 (I imagine) 14:52:49 that's all from me. please feel free to ask q's after the report is published! :) 14:52:56 thanks championquizzer! 14:53:12 I also have a note in my QA review for Jan to take a look at how we communicate known issues to users 14:53:24 and maybe centralize these with any known workarounds/updates 14:53:45 since in my experience a large part of the user support has just been doing this manually on a per-user basis 14:53:55 good idea 14:54:34 my idea for the forum is that we can create a knowledge base for known issues/ workaround when something like this happens 14:54:59 yeah that sounds sensible 14:55:00 constantly updating the manual/support portal is a bit too much for this, I believe 14:55:09 yep 14:56:29 okay, tyvm both – it's been a busy month :) 14:56:34 any final words before I hit the button? 14:57:09 3... 14:57:11 2... 14:57:13 1... 14:57:15 #endmeeting