14:59:40 #startmeeting Tor Browser weekly meeting 22 November 2021 14:59:40 Meeting started Mon Nov 22 14:59:40 2021 UTC. The chair is sysrqb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:59:55 Hi everyone! 14:59:56 o/ 15:00:01 Pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-keep 15:00:04 hi! 15:01:19 Hi! 15:02:53 ...did anyone else just get kicked off the pad? 15:02:58 I'm traveling this week, so I'll be afk for some parts of this week 15:03:10 Jeremy_Rand_Talos: I didn't, in case that helps 15:03:12 Jeremy_Rand_Talos: pad is working for me 15:03:25 hmm ok 15:03:33 try turning it off and on again 15:03:43 :P 15:04:22 i don't know where is the off switch for the internet 15:05:00 i hear they have a killswitch hidden somewhere in CERN 15:05:13 Oh, good. 15:05:56 FWIW only the onion is broken for me. Cryptoyoloing it and connecting via DNS. 15:06:17 ah ha 15:07:22 donuts: your discussion items are the only topics I was planning on discussing today, so I think we can jump directly into them 15:07:45 oh perfect 15:08:31 Regarding the 11.0 update for Android, that's blocked by us updating our patches to a newer version of Fenix 15:08:55 I'm in the middle of reviewing the updates boklm completed, and finishing rewriting some of our patches 15:09:08 yep, I had a quick look at the fenix repo and thought that was the case – makes sense! 15:09:21 which are needed because Mozilla made some significant changes in recent versions which we need to adapt to 15:09:32 so, unfortunately, this is taking some time 15:09:49 who is reviewing the fenix changes while richard is afk? 15:10:29 or do you expect them not to be ready anyway until they are back? 15:10:39 GeKo: I am reviewing the change boklm made, and I haven't worried about who will review my changes because I don't know when I'll be done 15:10:44 are we looking at early Dec for an android release, probably? 15:10:46 ah ok 15:11:08 donuts: yes, likely early december 15:11:21 ack 15:11:42 i see 15:12:02 and, because it's taking so long, we'll likely pick up the next version of fenix 15:13:54 And for 11.0 desktop bugs/fixes, those will likely wait until richard returns 15:14:23 because I don't have enough time to work on both Android and desktop issues right now 15:14:40 yep, totally understand 15:14:56 fonts, tab crashes and broken extensions are the top-complained about ones, roughly in that order – if that helps give some sense of prioritization 15:15:31 how do you feel about us telling users for whom TB11 isn't usable to rollback to 10.5? 15:16:35 Gonna guess this means the answer to my bold item is "definitely not till early December"? 15:16:51 I thinks fonts issue has an easy fix (removing 2 fonts files), but needs some testing to check that removing those fonts is not causing other issues 15:17:13 donuts: i want to look at tor-browser#40721 this week 15:17:30 boklm: yep, I saw that – that's weird but promising 15:17:39 but that's the only one I'd prioritize over Android right now 15:17:49 sysrqb: gotcha, sounds good 15:18:10 we have a workaround for fonts at least 15:18:32 i hesitate recommending rolling back to 10.5 because that has other trade-offs, which are less obvious 15:19:05 known security issues/vulnerabilities is the largest 15:19:28 yeah, I thought that was the case 15:19:43 (didn't want to start spamming that advice without checking with you first) 15:20:03 ok, I'll push any workarounds we have with users first 15:20:19 but that could be an option for some people, if they are aware of the trade-off 15:20:30 thanks 15:22:37 but, Jeremy_Rand_Talos, for your question. Yes, I don't have an ETA right now 15:22:58 let's plan on discussing it before the holidays 15:23:19 sysrqb, ok, works for me 15:24:17 Okay, anything else for this week? 15:24:31 one thing 15:24:43 yes? :) 15:25:14 sysrqb, fair to assume that the ARM/POWER stuff will happen before any Namecoin stuff, seeing as the ARM/POWER stuff already has an approach ACK? 15:26:00 Yes 15:26:10 one fun update: new torconnect figma prototypes are getting irl user testing this week! 15:26:19 Jeremy_Rand_Talos: I'll ping you about Namecoin, too 15:26:26 ok cool, figured as much, just wanted to confirm 15:26:35 donuts: woo! exciting 15:26:37 will hopefully be doing more of this going forward so feedback fixes happen earlier, and put less of a burden on later development 15:27:12 sounds ideal, that will be great 15:27:49 sysrqb, please don't feel any pressure on my end about Namecoin, I know it's a low priority 15:28:01 understood 15:30:03 alright, I assume that's everything for this meeting 15:30:13 that is all from me :) 15:30:15 thanks everyone, and have a great week 15:30:22 Thanks! 15:30:23 thanks team! 15:30:24 I'll talk with all of you during the week 15:30:27 o/ 15:30:29 #endmeeting