16:00:24 #startmeeting Tor Browser Release Meeting 5 May 2021 16:00:24 Meeting started Wed May 5 16:00:24 2021 UTC. The chair is sysrqb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:26 hello 16:00:32 Pad: http://kfahv6wfkbezjyg4r6mlhpmieydbebr5vkok5r34ya464gqz6c44bnyd.onion/p/tor-browser-release-meeting-keep 16:01:08 or https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-browser-release-meeting-keep 16:01:22 o/ 16:01:30 :) 16:01:52 welcome to the not-All-Hands Tor Browser release meeting 16:02:04 ha 16:02:12 do we need anyone else? 16:02:17 gaba: ? 16:02:18 maybe gaba 16:02:42 idk if anyone else is coming. ggus is afk, yes? 16:02:46 yes 16:03:09 *shrug* only us 16:03:10 so 16:03:13 si 16:03:48 we have an alpha set for 05.11 but is just mobile 16:03:49 i adjusted some dates on the pad because I updated the release schedule 16:03:52 super 16:04:07 when is the desktop one and what do you aim to include there? 16:04:07 also 16:04:24 should we have v2 deprecation tickets and s30 related patches in different alphas? 16:04:44 these are my main questions for today 16:05:50 ideally they would be in added in different alphas, but I think we should combine them now 16:06:03 we just don't have much time before 10.5 stable 16:06:32 and i don't see much benefit in delaying the error message in the TB alpha with 0.4.6 already 16:06:38 right 16:07:04 so, if we can get these error messges/UI implmeneted soon, then I prefer including them 16:07:08 hi! 16:07:11 o/ 16:07:41 o/ 16:08:04 I think I may keep 11 May as Android only 16:08:12 and then add a desktop version at the end of that week 16:08:16 * gaba will note this in the pad 16:08:17 or early in the following week 16:08:34 *desktop alpha version 16:08:37 okey 16:09:11 i don't think we'll finish the new v2 UI implmentations by the end of this week 16:09:36 its good 16:09:47 everything will happen next week then 16:09:51 regarding https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/40416 16:10:20 im afraid a full-page warning in every v2 its too much 16:10:39 and i didn't start reviewing richard's s30 changes, so that's still a few days away from being merged fo Nightly/Alpha testing 16:11:02 antonela: yeah 16:11:09 re s30: got it 16:11:15 we can show it the first time and update the url bar icon in all the v2 the user will visit 16:11:16 only show once, or add a checkbox "don't show this to me again"? 16:11:25 right that is another option 16:11:39 but the default warning message doesnt have that option, we will need to add it 16:11:57 true 16:12:46 i'm okay with showing only once 16:13:09 and then the "learn More" > in the doorhanger does to the blogpoast? 16:13:14 *blog post 16:13:24 *goes 16:13:25 i hope we can have the faqs in support so we can link there 16:13:40 ah ha. okay, yes, that would be nice 16:14:16 sysrqb: you are syaing that s30 stuff from richard will be able to go into this alpha release? 16:14:26 sysrqb: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/web/support/-/issues/202 16:14:31 gaba: yes, that is my hope and goal 16:14:43 the current quick-start implementation he's been working on 16:14:50 sysrqb: i'll ask gus for an url next week when he is back 16:15:03 antonela: great, yes 16:15:18 probably https://support.torproject.org/onionservices/v2-deprecation 16:15:20 but not sure 16:15:28 ok 16:16:21 antonela: no problem. urls are easy to change :) 16:16:35 (in a tor browser patch) 16:16:39 yes 16:18:27 then, i didnt mention it in the ticket, but we will have snowflake 16:18:31 snowflake is already in alpha 16:19:01 duncan is working on reporting the survey, we will have it ready for the release and i think that 'd be nice to have a blogpost specifically about it 16:19:06 will ping cohosh about it 16:19:08 antonela: oh. hrm. do you want to mockup errors on Android, too? 16:19:44 antonela: oh, yes, creating a blog post is definitely a good idea 16:19:53 we've had some comments on the blog asking about the results of the surveys 16:20:04 re android, yes 16:20:31 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/40410 16:20:41 (brb) 16:20:47 this one has small screens done 16:21:04 i'll check the default warning pages in fenix to move with it 16:21:21 we dont have an identity doorhanger in tba, so changing the icon will be a thing 16:21:32 about:tor can have the warning tho 16:21:38 . 16:22:05 yeah 16:22:41 i think fenix will be a little more complicated than desktop 16:22:51 but we'll find a way to do it 16:24:50 okay, great. 16:25:30 if i should set up a priority i'd say: 1. about:tor message, 2. warning page, 3. url bar icon 16:25:59 while we are here, let me know if you have any concerns about the dates I chose for 10.5 and 11.0: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/wikis/Release_Schedule 16:26:23 we have some felxibility (but not too much) - like a week or so. 16:26:41 antonela: thanks, understood. 16:27:19 got it 16:27:20 *flexibility 16:27:26 right 16:28:18 so there is one alpha left to stable 16:28:22 on june 1st 16:28:27 and we will put all there 16:29:20 oh, no, sorry, i'll add one more on 18 May 16:29:33 and all will go in there 16:29:48 and then any last minute fixes can go into 1 June version 16:29:59 for final testing before 10.5 16:30:22 * antonela phew 16:30:33 that sounds better :) 16:30:48 sorry, i thought I saw that earlier, but I don't see it now 16:31:04 * sysrqb must've wrote it in their head 16:32:12 ok, june 1st is the next deadline after the one on may 11th 16:32:50 err, *said, not saw. 16:33:07 * sysrqb is having trouble typing today 16:33:19 lol 16:33:54 the may 11 version will be only android , then may 18 will be all platforms, then june 1 will be all platforms 16:35:59 all good then 16:36:03 what else folks? 16:36:08 * antonela needs chocolate 16:36:46 Release Schedule is now updated with the 18 May version 16:36:50 hehehe 16:37:20 confirmed haha 16:37:37 * sysrqb is groot 16:37:52 me too 16:38:17 alright. crazy month. 16:39:01 i think we're done 16:39:10 thanks! 16:39:15 thanks matt! 16:39:17 #endmeeting