16:59:49 <gaba> #startmeeting Network July 27th 2020 16:59:49 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Jul 27 16:59:49 2020 UTC. The chair is gaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:59:49 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:59:53 <gaba> Pad is here: http://kfahv6wfkbezjyg4r6mlhpmieydbebr5vkok5r34ya464gqz6c44bnyd.onion/p/tor-netteam-2020.1-keep 16:59:56 <asn> gaba: good to be back :) 17:00:09 <gaba> please add your statuses and anything that needs to be discussed to the agenda 17:00:13 <ahf> hey 17:00:22 <nickm> hi all 17:00:52 <nickm> starting with the board .. I'm happy with the board as it stands 17:01:01 <nickm> at least my part of it 17:01:45 * ahf would have liked if this week was longer 17:02:17 <nickm> some time in the future let's consider whether we need to look at the kanban board every week -- for now, I'm mainly keeping my tickets on the board up-to-date as I work on things 17:02:52 <gaba> yes. I think it could work just to look at the next month once a month 17:02:59 <gaba> but we can talk about it later at other time 17:02:59 * ahf nods 17:03:24 <gaba> I mostly wanted people to get used to have that board as a place to take care of 17:04:03 <nickm> asn: have you had a chance to get used to the kanban now that we're on gitlab? is it working for you? 17:04:11 <asn> yes 17:04:16 <asn> i started taking care of it 17:04:21 <asn> i think it has great potential 17:04:30 <asn> i dont think i have made it perfect for m eyes 17:04:32 <asn> i dont think i have made it perfect for me yet 17:04:36 <asn> but i think it's really good 17:06:31 <gaba> next is review assignments, how are we doing? 17:06:43 <asn> i havent done it yet today 17:06:47 <asn> been busy with backlog 17:06:49 <asn> will note for tomorrow 17:06:50 <nickm> i changed the URL on the pad so that it doesn't list things marked as "Backlog". 17:06:53 <nickm> err 17:06:54 <nickm> i changed the URL on the pad so that it doesn't list things marked as "Backport". 17:07:04 <nickm> actually, there are only 3 tickets there. Can we split them up now? 17:07:38 <asn> sure! 17:07:43 <asn> let me see them 17:07:57 <asn> oh something changed and now https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/wikis/NetworkTeam/GitlabReviews is 404 17:08:28 <asn> ah maybe im not logged in. sec. 17:09:00 <gaba> mm, wiki is disabled in tor 17:09:32 <nickm> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/team/-/wikis/NetworkTeam/GitlabReviews 17:09:57 <nickm> asn: you may want to remove those to exclude the Backport tickets -- the Backport label means "this is merged and waiting for a backport". 17:10:08 <asn> hm right 17:10:25 <gaba> we should rename https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/team/-/wikis/Network-Team-Wiki-(home) back to home as otherwise it does not come back when you click the team project 17:10:32 <nickm> here's the URL with all the non-backport Tor MRs: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/core/-/merge_requests?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=opened¬[label_name][]=Backport 17:10:47 <asn> i took the crash u told me about today nickm 17:10:49 <asn> so there is two left 17:11:10 <asn> ah both are urs nickm 17:11:12 <nickm> I wrote the code on both, so I can't review them 17:11:14 <asn> so ill take one and give the other to ahf 17:11:21 <nickm> asn/ahf: want to split up !73 and !79? 17:11:27 <ahf> sounds good 17:11:30 <asn> ok i take 79 17:11:35 <ahf> i take !73 then 17:11:38 <asn> great 17:11:38 <nickm> ok. dgoulet already reviewed the first draft of !73, so it should be fast 17:11:39 <asn> i assign 17:11:41 <Caitlin> (i'm multitasking, still listening in, just let me know if my input is desired) 17:11:42 <nickm> thanks! 17:11:43 <ahf> thx asn 17:11:55 <asn> done 17:12:39 <gaba> I wonder if https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40069 was done last week 17:12:58 <nickm> huh. 17:13:06 <nickm> I just merged dgoulet's mr for that 17:13:13 <gaba> ok. I'm going to close it 17:13:30 <nickm> I explained where it's closed 17:13:36 <nickm> (let's never close stuff without explaining why) 17:14:56 <nickm> asn: it looks like you've got only one 044 ticket assigned right now, tor#34084 17:14:58 <ahf> nod 17:15:38 <nickm> dgoulet has tpo/core/tor#33072 and tpo/core/tor#34086 17:15:59 <nickm> I think it's okay to defer the remainder of #33072 to 045, and assign tpo/core/tor#34086 to asn? 17:16:07 <asn> hmm nickm yes 17:16:09 <asn> will take care of it 17:16:43 <nickm> ahf: you have a bunch of 044-must and 044-should issues, and you're pretty busy with TB stuff. Should we try to do something about that load? 17:17:49 <asn> nickm: sounds good 17:17:54 <asn> (about assigning #34086 ot me) 17:18:04 <ahf> yes, my first thought was to write them up in a list by how important they are try to pass that on 17:18:12 <asn> ahf: sounds good 17:18:13 <nickm> asn: assigned 17:18:18 <asn> let me know what you would like me to take on 17:18:24 <nickm> same here 17:18:45 <nickm> I'd like us to try to have everything even a bit tricky in 044 finished before I take off in mid-august 17:19:00 <nickm> so we can put out an rc then and plan to put the release out when I'm back 17:19:15 <nickm> (that gives us 1 month in RC to deal with surprises) 17:19:26 <asn> ack agreed 17:19:27 <nickm> ahf: how do you want to do this dividing-up? 17:19:59 <ahf> i do not know until i have an idea about the priority i think 17:20:52 <nickm> ah, ok. should we come back to this after the meeting then and try to sort through? 17:21:03 <nickm> or at the end of the meeting 17:22:14 <ahf> i would say probably tomorrow. after this meeting i have the next meeting i think 17:22:18 <nickm> ok 17:22:37 <nickm> let's plan on doing that once we're both online 17:22:46 <nickm> I'll try to write a quick email if i can 17:23:11 <nickm> next up is looking at the issues in https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/team/-/issues 17:23:45 <nickm> for tpo/core/team#1 -- I think we can call that accepted? If so, we can adjust our practices, and all I have to do is edit the part of doc/HACKING that explains versions files. 17:24:00 <nickm> 2 is waiting for september. 17:24:03 <ahf> oki 17:24:27 <nickm> for tpo/core/team#5 -- that will take a little explanation for asn, expecially if asn hasn't seen it yet, and I have a question 17:24:42 <nickm> the idea is that we're going to purge most of our tickets from the tor component 17:24:49 <nickm> we're going to do this in two phases 17:25:14 <nickm> first we close what we can, and label stuff that we want to preserve (but not as an unsorted ticket) 17:25:20 <nickm> that's the part we're in now 17:25:42 <nickm> We divided up all 19xx tickets in core/tor, and gave everybody about 500 to sort/label in this way 17:25:43 * asn reading 17:25:58 <nickm> but on friday, I got through all 500 of mine and I'm wondering if anybody would like me to do more. it was fun :) 17:26:51 <asn> hmm ok 17:27:02 <asn> that seems a bit like the unspecified discussion we did some thursdays ago 17:27:07 <nickm> yeah 17:27:30 <asn> ok sounds good 17:27:35 <asn> what's the deadline for this purge? 17:27:52 <nickm> we didn't make one. 17:28:02 <nickm> I believe I could have it finished by mid-august if I do the sorting myself 17:28:19 <nickm> but if ahf/asn/dgoulet would rather do sorting too, I don't want to impose a hard deadline 17:28:33 <asn> by sorting you mean the triaging? 17:28:45 <ahf> this is the stuff we talked about thursday? 17:28:47 <nickm> yeah 17:29:10 <asn> ok 17:29:28 <asn> im not super excited about triaging 500 tickets, but if the deadline is not so soon, i can definitely do it 17:29:32 <nickm> I got through the first 500 tickets on Friday; I closed about half and labeled all but 24 of the remainders 17:29:40 <nickm> to be clear: I _am_ excited about triaging another 500. 17:29:41 <ahf> as stressed as i am this week, i am not entirely sure it is the best use of your time to do mine. i would like to look at some of them, but i also don't feel bad if anybody does them or vert some of the things i suggest to do 17:29:54 <ahf> i have no hard feelings at all with things changing in the issue tracker underneeth me :-S 17:30:11 <asn> yes i echo @ahf 17:30:42 <nickm> Unless you tell me know, I'll take this over? It's very enjoyable, and I think looking at all the tickets at once helps me remember and keep stuff consistent 17:30:42 <ahf> s/vert/revert/ 17:30:52 <ahf> ok, go ahead then 17:30:59 <ahf> you meant now or know here? 17:31:07 <nickm> I'll impose a time-limit on myself so I don't spend too much time on it. 17:31:10 <asn> sounds good 17:31:17 <nickm> sorry, meant now 17:31:42 <ahf> ok 17:32:38 <nickm> that leaves tpo/core/team#7 17:33:06 <nickm> basically, between now and thursday, everybody please list stuff that you think we should work on for 045. We have more flexibility than usual this time. 17:33:17 <asn> wow this new tpo/core/team/#? thing is pretty cool 17:33:22 <nickm> on thursday's meeting we'll try to pick top priorities. 17:33:33 <asn> ack 17:33:37 <nickm> asn: yeah! I stole the idea from Atul Gawande, who took it from construction contractors 17:33:54 <nickm> the idea is not only to have a to-do list for stuff to do, but also a to-do list for conversations that need to happen 17:34:16 <asn> gitlab team issues? 17:34:26 <asn> Atul Gawande (born November 5, 1965) is an American surgeon, writer, and public health researcher. 17:34:36 <asn> ok im having trouble piercing all those pieces of information together 17:34:39 <nickm> asn: well, not gitlab team issues per se, but the idea of having a to-do list for dicussions and decisions we need to do :) 17:34:40 <asn> but i will manage :P 17:34:42 <nickm> sorry 17:34:46 <nickm> my brain is all over the place today :/ 17:35:06 <asn> hehe no problem :P 17:35:06 <nickm> one last topic from me: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/torspec/-/issues/1 17:35:46 <nickm> I've tried to list all the proposals I could find that were not in the right status. I'd like asn and ahf to look over the list and tell me if there are any that you don't agree about 17:35:52 <asn> agreed 17:36:01 <asn> im gonna look at all the to-do discussions 17:36:02 <nickm> if there's anything that's complicated, we can talk about it on thursday 17:36:12 <asn> ah that's to-do discussion on torspec 17:36:15 <asn> ok 17:36:19 <asn> will look at all the places 17:36:22 <nickm> thanks 17:36:57 <ahf> i answered about one of them there 17:37:01 <ahf> that was the only one i had feedback on 17:37:17 <nickm> ahf: great 17:38:50 <nickm> oh one-last-thing ... I'm planning to put out 0.4.4.3-alpha later today 17:39:06 <nickm> please let me know if there is anything wrong with the candidate in https://people.torproject.org/~nickm/volatile/src/ 17:39:11 <nickm> and I'm out of topics! 17:39:34 <ahf> just to be 100% sure: 0.4.4 is medio september stable, right? so everything needs to be in by the end of august? 17:39:49 <nickm> stable in mid-september: yes. 17:40:07 <nickm> but in practice it's a good idea to have an RC out around a month before stable. 17:40:12 <asn> ack 17:40:24 <nickm> so I'd _like_ to get all the 044 stuff that might break anything done before I leave in mid-august. 17:40:24 <ahf> ok 17:41:38 <gaba> Anything else for today? 17:41:48 <nickm> not from me. Anything else to talk about for now? 17:42:02 <asn> im good! 17:42:13 * ahf good 17:42:16 <gaba> ok 17:42:19 <gaba> #endmeeting