13:59:24 <antonela> #startmeeting ux team monthly meeting 13:59:24 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Jul 7 13:59:24 2020 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:59:24 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:59:29 <antonela> hellooo people! 13:59:34 <antonela> nice to see you around :D 13:59:41 <ggus> ooi! 13:59:54 <T0_7_0> Hello, nice to be here 14:00:10 <nicoleiocana__> hi everyone 14:00:24 <antonela> I'm happy to recover this space on monthly bases for now, just to sync about what we all are doing and share our needs and progress 14:00:27 <antonela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/1D8sK8Zy74b_0qclC97I-ux-team-monthly-2020-keep 14:00:33 <antonela> i started a new pad ^^^ 14:01:06 <antonela> is here, not asking for updates but i will share maybe a week before this meeting next month so we can add items in the agenda before hand 14:01:19 <antonela> for today we have a good lineup ^____^ 14:02:06 <antonela> i'll start with a quick update on what we are working on at UX TPI and also sharing some links so you can track those projects 14:02:38 <antonela> first of all, the last weeks we have been moving to gitlab 14:02:50 <antonela> https://gitlab.torproject.org 14:03:30 <antonela> please, let me know if your account is working or if you need a password reset 14:04:52 <antonela> given the ux team issues are spread across projects and teams, we use that general board filtered by the label UX to see the tickets we have in hands 14:04:53 <antonela> https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/boards?scope=all&utf8=%E2%9C%93&state=opened&label_name[]=UX 14:05:03 <antonela> also 14:05:06 <antonela> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux 14:05:33 <antonela> have different repositories for research, team (where the wikis are), media and design 14:05:41 <antonela> we will be trying to organize the work across them 14:06:17 <antonela> on the line 12 of the pad, i listed the sponsors we are running for this team and the work we are about to deliver 14:06:36 <antonela> if you are interested on any item there, just let me know and we can collab 14:06:39 <ggus> antonela: if you have a ticket in web repository labeled as "UX", it will be displayed in that board? 14:06:45 <antonela> yes! 14:06:49 <ggus> nice!:D 14:07:18 <antonela> if you look at the Open column, you can see all the tickets from different projects 14:08:16 <antonela> i'll add the "First Contribution" label to more tickets, so we can encourage designers and researchers to jump on them 14:09:00 <ggus> if an user in frontdesk give us an UX feedback, should i open it in the right repository and use the label "UX"? 14:09:02 <thurayya> is it possible to volunteers to take a ticket/issue anonymously? 14:09:02 <gaba> ok. added something to the UX group description to mention where the wiki is 14:09:37 <antonela> ggus: i think is better if we use a different label like [User Feedback] 14:09:52 <antonela> and also UX if it need UX work, maybe it is a bug and the Bug label is enough 14:09:58 <antonela> what do you'all think? 14:10:09 <antonela> thurayya: not now, but we are trying to solve it in the short future 14:10:16 <antonela> gaba: thank you! 14:11:07 <gaba> should we add a user feedback label to tpo? 14:11:12 <ggus> Makes sense for me, antonela :) User feedback should be a global label so? 14:11:14 <thurayya> ok! 14:11:28 <antonela> gaba: i think so, if community is onboard, then we can move forward 14:11:37 <antonela> as a global label, yes 14:12:09 <antonela> we can maybe have a template for new issues labeled User Feedback, with source and description 14:12:23 <antonela> by source could be a user research, frontedesk, social media 14:12:56 <antonela> irc, dunno, all the places we look at for helping users :) 14:13:02 <ggus> I like! 14:13:13 <antonela> awesome 14:13:27 <nicoleiocana__> very intuitive :) 14:13:37 <antonela> any other question regarding roadmap and workflow? 14:14:04 <antonela> before moving to the next item in the agenda, i forgot to mention the annoucements /o\ 14:14:29 <antonela> s/annoucements/announcements 14:15:05 <antonela> so i listed the 9.5 Tor Browser release, you all can update your stable versions 14:15:45 <antonela> also included OONI probe for desktop, with several UI/UX improvements and a circumvention test that includes Tor and Psiphon 14:15:56 <gaba> +1 to templates. I want to work on issue tempaltes soon 14:16:31 <antonela> and finally Onion Browser, which is the suggested tor browser for iOS by our folks at Guardian Project and OkThanks 14:17:13 <antonela> OkThanks is running a user feedback survey regarding on this update, so please go ahead with your feedback! 14:17:21 <antonela> https://okthanks.typeform.com/to/JhNvX9 14:17:53 <antonela> gaba: super!! templates are very useful also i think tickets can have pre-set labels with templates 14:18:05 <antonela> okey, moving to the next item in the agenda 14:18:17 <antonela> - User Feedback Reporting from Frontdesk with nicoleiocana__ 14:19:14 <antonela> hi nicoleiocana__ :) 14:19:26 <nicoleiocana__> hi antonela :) 14:20:04 <antonela> your last reporting was great, do you want to briefly share with us the highlights there? 14:20:50 <nicoleiocana__> of course 14:21:27 <nicoleiocana__> so the last user feedback covered months feb - may of this year, thats why it was so comprehensive 14:23:29 <nicoleiocana__> trying to find the mailing list link at the moment but I'll cover the highlights here 14:24:04 <ggus> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2020-June/002887.html 14:24:14 <nicoleiocana__> letterboxing was an issue. Users are unaware of the purpose of Letterboxing. They are under the impression that this is a Tor Browser layout bug. 14:24:17 <nicoleiocana__> Thanks ggus 14:24:50 <nicoleiocana__> the CAPTCHA loop was also a reoccuring issue 14:25:23 <nicoleiocana__> video playback was a major concern 14:26:49 <nicoleiocana__> from the tpo site. Windows 32 bit users vocalized struggles with clicking on Windows download link because it will automatically link to 64 bit instead of auto assigning the correct platform depending on users computer 14:27:30 <nicoleiocana__> And too many fake Tor Project Browsers are duping users primarily on the iOS platform :( 14:27:46 <nicoleiocana__> oh one last thing 14:29:23 <antonela> yes 14:29:38 <nicoleiocana__> individuals would claim Tor unexpectedly exited. This might be due to a bug in Tor itself, another program on your system, or faulty hardware. Until you fix the underlying problem and restart Tor, Tor Browser will not start across all platforms. The users would have little or nothing to offer regarding its occurance. 14:29:52 <nicoleiocana__> the end 14:30:15 <antonela> excellent, thank you!! 14:30:18 <antonela> i have some comments 14:30:19 <antonela> re letterboxing, we have a few open issues regarding that, we don't have capacity to work on that feature at the moment but it may be a good call for design/dev, i'll tag 14:30:23 <nicoleiocana__> yw 14:30:33 <antonela> because the latest discussions around it were to inform users about the feature, with a tooltip or something similar. Is not huge and may be useful. 14:31:02 <antonela> re captcha, yes is sad and savage - if im not wrong we have a gsoc person working on measuring it, lets see how it goes 14:31:30 <antonela> re video playback, i think GeKo commented about this issue, is a NoScript issue? or anything else? which sec level? 14:32:28 <antonela> re win32 and tpo, i see, we are avoiding any way to sniff the local environment but sometimes i think it will solve us a lot of user issues reporting :( 14:32:50 <nicoleiocana__> correct. GeKo did comment about this. It is a NoScript issue for users who set security level to Safer and Safest 14:33:15 <antonela> okey, got it 14:33:18 <antonela> annoying tho 14:33:34 <antonela> i know ma1 is working on a new version of NS, cant wait to see it :) 14:33:43 <antonela> about tpo and win32, do we have an issue for it? we can probably do it in any-non-too-invasive way, im not sure 14:34:00 <ggus> i think we might have it on the web repo 14:34:00 <antonela> that is a good first User Feedback issue :) 14:34:05 <ggus> lemme check 14:34:08 <antonela> oki 14:34:11 <antonela> thanks ggus 14:34:52 <antonela> iOS app store is complicated, specially because we dont have an official one :( 14:35:08 <antonela> i remember OkThanks running a research about fake apps 14:35:42 <nicoleiocana__> that's unfortunate. many users voice frustration of paying for subscription and demand refund :'( 14:36:01 <ggus> but some apps are using our Trademark 14:36:14 <antonela> we will need a better flow there 14:36:27 <antonela> aaand Tor unexpectedly exited, we will need some logs there 14:36:35 <antonela> is that posible? is people leaving logs? 14:37:04 <nicoleiocana__> most screenshots display that there are no logs available 14:37:43 <ggus> it's a very generic error and almost everytime there are no logs. 14:38:02 <nicoleiocana__> lemme clarify. There are no logs to copy and paste. Echoing what ggus stated 14:38:42 <antonela> mmm i see, is tba or desktop? 14:38:48 <nicoleiocana__> desktop 14:39:04 <antonela> the first time of connecting or in the middle of something 14:39:20 <antonela> by something i mean, browsing 14:39:20 <nicoleiocana__> sometimes both 14:39:37 <ggus> i believe it's more first time. "i installed and i can't use" 14:39:40 <nicoleiocana__> most times its because VPN / firewall blocks the connection 14:40:01 <nicoleiocana__> other times suddenly they just needed to use a bridge when at first they didnt need to 14:40:04 <antonela> interesting 14:40:10 <antonela> do we have a ticket for it? 14:40:15 <nicoleiocana__> or need a new bridge 14:40:31 <nicoleiocana__> yeah, lemme check 14:40:37 <antonela> as part of s30 we are planning to improve tor browser to make it proactive on detecting issues when connecting (instead of reactive, like now) 14:41:15 <antonela> if a local config is being problematic, we may detect it and suggest an action 14:41:36 <ggus> antonela: there's a ticket in tb repository about this generic error 14:41:54 <ggus> it's like a blue screen of death :( 14:42:07 <nicoleiocana__> heres a ticket for user who said that theyve been using for years, then suddenly it stopped working 14:42:11 <nicoleiocana__> https://rt.torproject.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=226923 14:42:38 <antonela> No permission to view ticket (im logged) 14:42:51 <antonela> okey, will reach you both later to dig more about this one 14:43:03 <nicoleiocana__> okies. and here is one for first time installation 14:43:04 <nicoleiocana__> https://rt.torproject.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=226825 14:43:05 <ggus> i'll need to add you to the right permission group. 14:43:17 <antonela> thank you nicoleiocana__!! your work is very valuable for us, thanks for sharing those insights with the lists also! 14:43:56 <antonela> i also have thurayya and T0_7_0 in the line 14:43:56 <nicoleiocana__> shucks, my pleasure. 14:44:18 <thurayya> i need to be quick, bc i'm in the middle of moving houses :O 14:44:24 <antonela> perfect! 14:44:38 <thurayya> can i go? 14:44:38 <thurayya> haha 14:44:39 <antonela> lets share a quick update about our meeting on friday 14:44:41 <antonela> haha yes! 14:44:55 <thurayya> ok! so I just wanted to share that I’ll be working with community and UX team for 12 months as a Bertha Fellow. 14:45:01 <thurayya> My main work will be to run digital security trainings and research for environmental activists, organizations and communities in the Brazilian Amazon. 14:45:02 <antonela> \o/ 14:45:06 <ggus> \o/ yayayay! 14:45:11 <thurayya> :D \o// 14:45:12 <thurayya> This work was supposed to be in person, but due to the Covid-19 we will do it remotely – methodologies still to be defined. But definitely, a challenge... 14:45:20 <thurayya> The device that our main audience most use is cell phones, so our user testing and trainings will focus on TBA. But with organizations, we can try other services too (TBD, bridges, onion share).... 14:45:25 <thurayya> And one of our work will be to run risk assessments. 14:45:29 <thurayya> I’ll be reporting every month, and I’m looking forward to get suggestions and feedbacks on what we could focus our efforts to bring more safety to our audience. :) 14:45:34 <thurayya> On the other hand, I’m also taking some other issues/tickets related to research and user feedback with s9 14:45:47 <thurayya> and general stuff around our research repo. I’m very excited to work on it (with templates too! I love it!) 14:46:00 <thurayya> we also have some new feedback from s9 partners 14:46:05 <antonela> haha excellent! thank you nah! we are very happy to have you around again!!! 14:46:11 <thurayya> I'll work on reporting them this week :) 14:46:28 <antonela> super, we can sync with gaba and ggus on S9 also 14:46:39 <thurayya> I'm happy to be back too! :D 14:47:01 <antonela> oki, T0_7_0, your time :) 14:47:06 <T0_7_0> Great! 14:47:50 <T0_7_0> for the past 12 months I've been researching the use of tools during Internet censorship in Nigeria Cameroon Uganda and Zimbabwe 14:48:03 <T0_7_0> Now writing up final reports 14:48:18 <T0_7_0> A blog, a report and an academic paper 14:49:01 <T0_7_0> I've submitted the blog on Friday to the NetPolitics section of The Council on Foreign Relations, the US government think tank. It was accepted. 14:49:42 <T0_7_0> I'm currently working on both the academic paper and the final report. Will have more updates by next meeting! 14:49:52 <antonela> very nice 14:50:10 <T0_7_0> That's all 14:50:13 <antonela> tunde, dunqan has been working on extending Tor personas based on your research 14:50:15 <antonela> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/trac/-/issues/40003 14:50:23 <antonela> this is the issue about scenarios 14:50:33 <T0_7_0> Oh great, thanks 14:50:37 <T0_7_0> Nice to know 14:50:43 <antonela> and this is the issue about personas 14:50:43 <antonela> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/trac/-/issues/32811 14:51:05 <antonela> and here is our wip https://www.figma.com/file/bLOmIF32ijnaAS34AtwEWD/Tor-Personas?node-id=0%3A1 14:51:26 <antonela> i'll make sure that we circle back with you in the following weeks so you can also review it 14:51:36 <T0_7_0> Ok 14:51:39 <antonela> and probably share these with Maria at ooni 14:51:49 <T0_7_0> Great 14:52:00 <antonela> I also have a draft pad for the announcement of your research 14:52:07 <antonela> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tunde-fellowship-final-report-keep 14:52:17 <antonela> we can fill it later when you are done with the report 14:52:19 <antonela> aaaand 14:52:39 <antonela> dont forget to contact the OTF comms so they can help you on reviewing and formatting the final deliverables 14:52:56 <antonela> OTF Learning Lab i think is the proper department 14:52:58 <T0_7_0> Yes, I've applied to the Learning Lab 14:53:03 <antonela> perfect 14:53:28 <antonela> anything else for Tunde? 14:53:32 <T0_7_0> Nope 14:53:56 <antonela> okey, i think we are almost in the hour and also we reached all our agenda items 14:54:00 * antonela \o/ 14:54:20 <thurayya> \o/ thanks antonela! 14:54:30 <nicoleiocana__> thanks everyone :) 14:54:35 <T0_7_0> Thanks! 14:54:38 <antonela> again, im happy to recover this space and i hope we can bring more people interested on running user research or design tasks for the project 14:54:41 <antonela> thank you all! 14:54:45 <antonela> is a pleasure <3 14:55:08 <antonela> #endmeeting