15:58:59 #startmeeting anti-censorship team meeting 15:58:59 Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:58:59 2020 UTC. The chair is phw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:58:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:03 good morning, everyone 15:59:11 here's our meeting pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-anti-censorship-keep 15:59:12 Hi o/ 15:59:14 hi 15:59:16 hi! 15:59:50 let's start with our announcement 16:00:22 we have a "first contribution" label that we use across projects to highlights issues that are well-suited for newcomers 16:00:33 keep that in mind when filing a new ticket 16:00:39 (^_^)b 16:01:33 next is our monthly team report. you can find a draft here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/ituvazq54RQemaxu0m4E 16:01:50 please modify it as you see fit. i hope i didn't miss anyone's work 16:02:44 next are anonymous bug reports 16:03:10 that's a good question. i wonder what the current status is. gaba, do you know? 16:03:37 I get the impression that much of the tor project is negatively disposed because of all the cypherpunks trolling that happened on trac. 16:03:51 fwiw, we had the "cypherpunks" account in trac for that purpose. it was a bit difficult to manage because it was periodically used for mischief 16:03:54 But for the anti-censorship team, our reports from the public have mostly been useful. 16:04:48 Maybe gitlab makes it possible to limit an account's privileges to a specific sub-project? 16:05:02 true. if we cannot solve this problem on a global level, we could solve it on a team level by creating an account whose only permission is "reporter" in the anti-censorship group 16:05:08 That way we could accept bug reports without risking annoying other teams. 16:05:43 i would prefer a global solution over a local one but i don't know if there has been progress 16:05:48 gaba: ^ 16:06:12 At any rate, we need something to put in our user-facing instructions (https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/anti-censorship/pluggable-transports/snowflake/-/issues/34435) that currently point to trac. 16:06:37 phw: we are going to be working on it 16:06:58 But we can do something at the team level for now 16:07:28 so let's just create a cypherpunks user? 16:07:41 mmm 16:07:43 for the team? 16:07:52 aa I am little confused, so, Cypherpunks is just an anonymous reporter and not a single user? 16:08:07 It's not a good situation if people feel they have to email me privately to report a bug 16:08:08 hashikd: it is a shared account for anonymous reporters 16:08:12 yes, this account's permissions could be limited to the team for now 16:08:20 Ah okay! 16:08:24 I told the reporter I would advocate for a way to accept reports from the public now that trac is gone 16:08:31 I would say let's wait for a solution at the global level before creating a cypherpunks account 16:08:42 it's just a suggestion. we do need something, though 16:09:19 yes, ahf will be working on something. I will bring this to discuss in the gitlab meeting on Tuesday 16:09:24 we need something soon. I agree 16:09:28 thanks gaba 16:10:21 I noticed that hanneloresx got a gitlab account, did that require a special arrangement? Or could anyone do it? 16:10:51 dcf1: now we are managing this in gitlab-admin@ mail 16:10:58 people send a mail there and we create an account 16:11:06 we are prioritizing the people that had an account in trac already 16:12:32 if we don't have a solution to this on tuesday, i suggest creating a temporary team account that people can use. 16:12:42 ok 16:12:49 thanks gaba 16:13:27 anything else before we move on? 16:13:35 nay 16:13:52 is the monthly report something we wanted translated into chinese? 16:13:53 be creative dcf1 16:15:05 hanneloresx: good question! i think that would be exciting, at least as a one-off experiment. i'm not sure what options we have to give it exposure among the chinese-speaking community 16:15:27 karsten: I am sort of around but not really. got another meeting soon 16:16:10 we may as well put it on our blog but we shouldn't put it only on our blog 16:16:37 we could post links to the blog on chinese language forums like solidot 16:16:51 yeah that's a good idea 16:17:13 post the whole translated report 16:17:16 we could also mirror it on github, which should work for everyone 16:17:36 and write a wechat bot that sends it to random people 16:17:42 i thought github was censored? not sure though 16:17:57 no github is one of the things that can still be relied on for access 16:18:01 ah ok 16:18:29 it *is* censored in the sense of takedown requests, but not in a network interference sense usually 16:18:46 then github would be a good bet 16:20:00 ok, sounds like we want the report translated -- i'll work on it this weekend and put a draft on the pad w/ the English report 16:20:00 dcf1: would you mind having the monthly report on net4people? 16:20:16 no I don't mind 16:20:43 hanneloresx: thanks! 16:21:49 ok, to sum up: we can post it on our blog, on net4people, and on solidot 16:23:03 Hey phw the June 2020 report pad, should I list all the tickets I closed in Snowflake Mobile? how descriptive should that be? 16:24:10 HashikD: i would generally say yes, feel free to list them all. i usually add 1-2 sentences explaining the issue. if it's a very significant fix, you can talk about it more 16:24:45 the target audience of our report is primarily our users -- or at least we should write it in a way that it's comprehensible to users 16:25:52 Ah! okay! I will add the road map of implementation of things which are important. Just take a look and delete anything if it's too trivial :) 16:26:02 sounds good, thanks HashikD :) 16:26:21 thank you for drafting the monthly report, phw, I know it's an unsung task 16:26:37 looks like we have no reviews to assign today. cohosh's two items are from last week and are already taking care of 16:26:43 s/taking/taken/ 16:26:55 dcf1: my pleasure 16:27:21 that's it for our agenda today. anything else, friends? don't be shy 16:27:58 We talked about Geneva recently. In 30 minutes, author Kevin Bock will have a live presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksojSRFLbBM part of the Internet Measurement Village 16:28:44 * phw will be watching 16:28:51 BTW phw that was a great talk at Internet Measurement Village!! 16:29:02 thanks HashikD :) 16:29:17 agreed, that was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6xEfNHkFKY 16:29:46 the production quality of the measurement village is really great 16:29:53 yes, great talk, phw! 16:30:05 The questions as well are really good! 16:30:13 Very informative overall 16:31:43 * phw waits for two minutes before wrapping up the meeting 16:33:45 #endmeeting