18:59:47 #startmeeting tor browser release 12/04 18:59:47 Meeting started Wed Dec 4 18:59:47 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:47 Here’s the pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-browser-release-meeting-keep 19:01:18 Please add any discussion topics and/or requests 19:03:20 I’ll just give a few more minutes 19:05:30 Ok 19:05:35 Let’s get started 19:06:22 So I started filling out the ESR release dates 19:06:49 And I started wondering what we do about tor releases 19:07:02 we pick them up in our next release(s) 19:07:05 usually 19:07:11 As in, when and how do we possibly them up 19:07:14 Ok 19:07:46 like we would pick up 0.4.2.x in the release on 01/07 19:07:55 Got it :) 19:08:01 i mean we _could_ think about release just for new tor versions 19:08:03 That was easy 19:08:12 I don’t think we need to 19:08:21 yeah 19:08:31 I just realized I didn’t know (or I forgot) 19:09:26 The next thing I wanted to discuss was when we want to start picking up S27 changes in a release 19:10:06 For the client auth stuff we probably have to wait until 0.4.3 is out 19:10:25 * antonela is here for the next 20 minutes 19:10:46 Unless it’s on some earlier tor alpha that we can put in a browser alpha 19:10:49 when is the first alpha for 0.4.3.x planned? 19:11:24 I need to check that one sec 19:12:03 alternatively we could investigate how hard it is to just backport the patches of that feature to test early on 19:12:20 it would not be the first time that we shipped a custom tor client 19:12:31 Ah, they don’t have alpha releases on trac 19:12:43 forunately the last time we needed to do so was long ago 19:13:04 let's ask 19:13:49 I seem to remember we asked this some time ago and only nickm knows... :) 19:14:20 Ah, no... 19:14:55 Ok 19:14:56 alright it seems like mid-january 19:15:15 So we need to make sure these changes make it in also 19:15:38 it's not unreasonable to release alphas every two weeks 19:15:49 Ok, I’ll review the corresponding network team tickets 19:16:00 so those folks working on tor browser next year could think about doing a release just for that :) 19:16:08 between the regular releases 19:16:32 So, end of January or so 19:17:28 for the onion-location redirects 19:17:46 the patch is not reviewed yet and thus has not even landed on nightlies 19:18:07 AND it seems folks don't like the Onion-Location header and want something else (potentially) 19:18:32 so the latter needs to get sorted out _before_ we ship an alpha release with that feature i think 19:18:45 actually, i should probably start babbling here 19:18:54 * GeKo hands the mic to sysrqb 19:19:17 Which folks? ;) 19:19:55 alec to begin with and i think sysrqb is in doubt, too 19:20:10 i am fine with not introducing a new header either 19:20:25 I think the Onion-Location header is a good one to start with 19:20:36 sorry, on a phone call 19:20:45 And show how redirection could work 19:21:07 And we can also implement other complementary solutions 19:21:31 But anyway, that’s just my opinion :D 19:21:38 pili: the tricky part is you need a service provider implementing that 19:21:43 it's not in our hands 19:21:48 Yup 19:21:52 we only can offer that 19:22:05 yeah, that's a big one 19:22:08 and i think not introducing an onion-location header makes it way more likely 19:22:16 that others are using our features 19:22:19 *feature 19:23:52 I think I need to read the thread again because I don’t see how it’s that hard to send an extra header... :) 19:24:14 From the service provider side 19:24:27 they don't want it 19:24:40 oh, it's not an extra header that is the issue 19:24:49 But anyway... I’m happy to go off and do my homework and discuss at a later date 19:24:52 they could e.g. send Location: blabla.onion 19:25:01 it's a new custom one just for tor 19:25:59 Right but couldn’t they just send it for everyone? And whoever doesn’t need it, can just ignore it... 19:26:23 anyay, i think the important thing to take from here is that we ened to sort that out before shipping anything in the alpha 19:26:27 *anyway 19:26:30 *need 19:26:49 Sure 19:27:14 I’m just concerned that this is part of the s27 work plan :) 19:27:21 * GeKo gives his second mic to sysrqb, too 19:27:41 the feature, yes, the header, not necessarily imo 19:27:50 But I guess it’s not a new issue that we write a proposal and then find a better way to do things 19:28:20 I just hope we can reuse some of the work we’ve done on this already: 19:29:54 Ok 19:30:17 pili: most of it 19:31:13 and i think we can use the current Onion-Location patch, and repurpose parts of it 19:31:20 sysrqb did you have any other features you wanted to get in the next few releases 19:31:21 if we decide we want something a little different 19:31:28 yeah 19:31:33 Ok, great :) 19:32:34 i don't think I do, but i need to go over tickets again 19:32:55 Ok, no worries, I’ll have a think also 19:33:22 Does anyone else have any other requests for features for the next few releases? 19:34:21 Ok 19:35:06 The final item I have is a reminder to remove the YE campaign changes for the January release 19:35:33 There’s a ticket already so I don’t think we’ll forget :) 19:35:34 so you should move the work to december 19:35:41 not january 19:36:42 beceause release prep will start on 2/1 or so (at least that's what i assume) 19:36:49 Ok 19:37:07 It’s a good thing I mentioned it then... ;) 19:37:12 Thanks! 19:37:17 yw 19:37:36 i mean it would probably work to squeeze the patch in on 2/! 19:37:40 *2/1 19:37:53 but that seems stressful 19:39:04 Done 19:39:21 Should I assign to mcs ? 19:39:52 dunno? :) 19:40:22 sysrqb: ? ^ :D 19:40:36 sure :) 19:40:45 we can reassign it, if needed 19:40:52 In any case, if there’s nothing else from anyone I think we’re done here 19:40:59 sorry, distracted :( 19:41:03 just a fyi: 19:41:08 I’ll just give a last chance... ;) 19:41:32 this will probably be my last release meeting, sysrqb will be handling release from now on 19:41:41 he did well with the alpha :) 19:41:54 Sounds good, we will miss you :) 19:41:55 so, it was my pleasure and good luck 19:42:09 And you’re always welcome to visit ;) 19:42:16 thanks GeKo :) 19:42:19 i will only be a ping away ;) 19:42:20 Thank you!!! :€ 19:42:24 :) 19:42:46 Ok, let’s leave things there then 19:42:52 o/ 19:43:09 Last meeting of the year will be on 12/18 19:43:16 Thanks everyone! 19:43:19 \o/ 19:43:23 #end 19:43:33 #endmeeting