19:00:00 #startmeeting tor-browser-release 11/13 19:00:00 Meeting started Wed Nov 13 19:00:00 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:08 who's around today? :) 19:00:09 o/ 19:00:28 I've moved our usual pad here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-browser-release-meeting-keep 19:00:44 I don't have many discussion points for today and I have a feeling it may be a quiet one 19:00:51 let's see how it goes though :) 19:01:07 we're missing antonela and possibly GeKo today 19:01:17 i failed in my plan for tagging tickets with target release versions 19:01:22 so anyone else, please add any discussion points 19:01:28 so, that didn't happen 19:01:39 sysrqb: that's ok, I'm failing at many plans this month myself :) 19:01:42 there's always next month 19:01:47 :) 19:02:03 if no one else shows up we can maybe do the tagging online together 19:02:16 i guess that is you discussion point, in any case :) 19:02:18 so, sure 19:02:37 yeah, I'm sure antonela had some ideas and we can always review with her when she's back 19:02:46 yep 19:03:53 ok, we can probably start 19:04:07 did you have any ideas for how you wanted to do this? 19:04:14 as in, which pool of tickets to take? 19:05:44 my plan was going through 201911 and 201912 tickets 19:05:53 ok, sounds good 19:06:27 will you share your query with me so we're on the same page? 19:07:09 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=merge_ready&status=needs_information&status=needs_review&status=needs_revision&status=new&status=reopened&keywords=~TorBrowserTeam201911&keywords=~TorBrowserTeam201912&max=50&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=priority&col=component&col=severity&col=time&col=changetime&col=reviewer&col=reporter&order=changeti 19:07:16 me 19:07:18 hrm 19:07:25 oookay 19:07:28 hi! 19:07:33 (sorry for being late) 19:07:54 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorBrowserTeam201911&keywords=~TorBrowserTeam201912&max=50&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=priority&col=component&col=severity&col=time&col=changetime&col=reviewer&col=reporter&order=changetime 19:08:21 welcome GeKo ! 19:08:24 GeKo: o/ 19:08:25 it's just us 3 for now 19:09:00 wfm :) 19:09:01 we're going to try to match some features/tickets to future releases 19:10:13 ok, shall we start with #29615 ? 19:10:23 so it's not just the next and next next releases 19:10:26 *release 19:11:01 I guess we can start with trying to match these with the security releases that we know are coming 19:11:02 for now 19:11:53 that was my thought, too. 19:11:58 i think it does not work going ticket by ticket 19:12:05 like from top to down 19:12:17 because we need certain people working on certain 19:12:19 tasks 19:12:48 and without taking those tasks into account it's hard to say something about, say #29615 19:13:38 so, we could think about who should work on #29615 19:13:39 sure 19:13:46 that's probably boklm 19:14:03 and then we can think about which of those tickets boklm is working on *first* 19:14:13 that's true, but it still seems helpful for knowing which release a ticket could land in, for roadmapping 19:14:14 and then think about when those will be ready 19:14:22 and itt'll help with prioritization 19:14:30 and then we can think about when #29615 could make it in 19:14:33 sure 19:14:52 i am just saying we can't do it top-to-down by just looking at that a particular ticket 19:15:08 s/at that/at/ 19:16:05 yeah 19:16:51 maybe it'll be more helpful if we sort the list of tickets differently 19:16:54 so, boklm would be working on #28325, #25101, #25102, #31988, #18867, #30334 first 19:17:01 yeah, the thing is if we start looking at tickets all over the place we're going to get lost... 19:17:12 instead of soring by modification, we can sort by priority 19:17:31 if the prios are correct, yes 19:18:16 i think they aren't 19:18:25 but we can change those now too 19:19:17 let's do it 19:20:45 so, if we do the prio thing 19:21:11 i kinda feel that's hard for taking the next months into account 19:21:34 because stuff might not be high prio now (like #30029) but will be soonish 19:22:01 we can still program #30029 now for around March or just after 19:22:08 since that's when we should finish it by anyway :) 19:22:34 so that could go in the ESR68.6 release on 03/10 19:22:41 well, does "finish" mean in "just a release"? 19:22:46 in this case i mean 19:23:01 or we could aim for that at least 19:23:02 hmm, actually this should probably only make it to an alpha if anything 19:23:03 as it's only a PoC 19:23:03 or is nightly here enough? 19:23:47 nightly could be enough, but then we don't need to tie it to a particular ESR release 19:23:53 it seems like it would be helpful if we can put all these tickets onto a timeline 19:24:00 yep 19:24:03 (re pili) 19:24:04 and see how they overlap 19:24:22 for other S27 activities we might want to try to release something for ESR68.6, e.g #30000 19:25:00 i hope we can finish some of those tickets earlier 19:25:02 or even earlier for ESR68.4 19:25:25 but that is the last release 19:25:43 what if we tried to find owners for tickets 19:25:44 and if we get the OTF funding, that'll become complicated 19:25:53 and then group them by prio 19:26:08 so we have a timeline per person 19:26:10 kind of 19:26:15 that could be a good way for capacity planning 19:26:23 GeKo: yeah, that's a plan 19:26:24 that too 19:26:26 i was thinking that was basically what you were saying earlier 19:26:38 and i was thinking about that, in terms of creating a timeline 19:26:43 aha 19:26:50 but we can make that explicit, too 19:26:57 okay, let' 19:27:01 s 19:27:14 start with boklm maybe and use the tickets from above 19:27:27 #28325, #25101, #25102, #31988, #18867, #30334 19:27:30 okay 19:27:48 and #29615 19:27:53 right 19:27:58 prio 1 would be the update related tickets 19:28:09 do we want to assign them to him as an owner now or do we somehow remember this later? :) 19:28:11 and those should be due for the next release 19:28:32 pili: i was thinking about that 19:28:37 i am fine assigning them directly, but we should keep tbb-team in Cc 19:28:45 because of bug filtering 19:28:58 yeah. i think we can assign them now, and we can always reassign later, if needed 19:29:01 sure 19:29:04 I can do that now 19:29:16 okay, i won't step on your toes :) 19:31:54 done 19:32:04 who's the next "victim"? ;) 19:32:45 acat? 19:34:27 oh #22919 should be boklm, right? 19:34:40 i don't think so 19:34:47 but #32475 19:35:00 man, there was a second page i did not see :( 19:35:03 so many tickets 19:35:21 and #25099 19:35:26 oh, sorry, wrong ticket. #25099 19:35:31 :) 19:35:40 yeah, that one :) 19:35:44 #32478 19:36:02 * pili goes to check the tickets on the second page also 19:36:03 maybe #32259 19:36:16 #27903 19:40:16 ok, pulling the trigger 19:40:21 was waiting to see if there were more 19:40:36 okay, that should be all the ticketsfor boklm 19:40:38 yeah 19:41:01 i'm moving #32327 out of 201912, i think i put it there so we can consider it next month 19:41:19 but i don't think we should schedule it on the roadmap yet 19:42:03 ok 19:45:00 what/who's next? :) 19:45:43 i think we can go with acat 19:45:44 for acat, #22919 #21952 #23719 #32255 19:45:57 (not done yet) 19:46:46 maybe #32414 19:49:25 there are some other tickets that acat could take, but i think we should see how overloaded other people are at the end 19:49:30 ok 19:49:41 yeah, we probably don't find a moz person for #23719 19:50:27 i think acat might be a good person for #30029, too 19:51:00 oh yes. miss that 19:51:08 i think that was our plan 19:51:32 well, it was not decided yet (until now) :) 19:52:39 heh. yeah, i meant we talked about it with mcs and brade a few weeks ago, as well 19:53:02 ;) 19:53:17 would we have enough time for #30029 if acat takes that one though 19:53:20 it seems we may only assign tickets for two or three per meeting, at this rate 19:53:30 it will give us less than 3 months to come up with something before the project ends 19:53:37 sysrqb: hopefully we'll get better at it ;) 19:53:50 pili: maybe, yes 19:53:53 (I have a hard stop on the hour for another meeting... ) 19:54:17 but focused the work we want to do here in stockholm 19:54:32 sure 19:54:39 like scaled it properly or "down" 19:54:58 the thought was onion-location should be an easier and smaller task than human-memorable addresses 19:55:01 so if acat started to work on that in jan after the other s27 work is done 19:55:08 i think that could work 19:55:13 and maybe he can finish that relatively quickly and then move onto addresses 19:55:27 yes 19:56:15 but, we can see how quickly onion-location is implemented and make adjustments, if needed 19:57:13 ok 19:58:20 shall we leave it there for today then? 19:58:23 or do you want to continue without me? 19:58:24 it seems we should stop here, and pick it up again next meeting 19:58:28 ok 19:58:47 i am fine doing a meeting in between 19:59:00 bc next release meeting is in 2 weeks 19:59:16 pili: so what about the about:tor changes for the next release? 19:59:25 I haven't heard anything yet... :. 19:59:30 we need to start building in 2 weeks 19:59:31 :/ 19:59:32 I know 19:59:40 which means localization and such 19:59:41 if there is anything it should be minimal 19:59:49 or we can't do it 20:00:02 i agree 20:00:30 okay, we can meet next week and make more progress on this 20:00:38 wfm 20:01:03 i can send an email 20:01:04 ok, closing the meeting 20:01:05 sysrqb: fwiw 20:01:06 #endmeeting