18:00:15 #startmeeting tor-browser-release 09/25 18:00:15 Meeting started Wed Sep 25 18:00:15 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:17 hello! 18:00:27 Hi antonela 18:00:30 hi 18:00:37 Hi GeKo 18:00:46 Who else is around? 18:00:55 more or less o/ 18:01:10 Here’s the pad again: https://storm.torproject.org/grain/t4KMb9WcMFae3DMWBGvjPk 18:01:23 o/ 18:01:26 Please add any discussion points or requests 18:01:53 nice we have release points + dates \o/ 18:02:04 :) 18:02:13 hrm 18:02:17 pili: You do not have permission to access this grain. 18:02:19 "You do not have permission to access this grain." 18:02:24 heh 18:02:25 heh. 18:02:28 :) 18:02:28 heh 18:02:30 Oh 18:02:32 :) 18:02:33 oh no. 18:02:34 One sec 18:03:20 https://storm.torproject.org/shared/GsECKaqdAboytLec71wvXI-YIXx0T4-kjubdjOiIQO6 18:03:49 Is that better? 18:04:30 yes 18:04:31 thx 18:07:37 hi 18:07:44 Ok, I see no discussion points so far 18:07:58 Maybe we move on to the requests? 18:08:15 Who’s brought the first one? 18:08:20 Hi boklm 18:08:58 antonela: are those yours? 18:09:05 yes 18:09:10 #31768 18:09:26 i talked with dunqan today, he will work on the onboarding part of it 18:10:05 newbie question: where i can see all the ui/ux modifications that we're going to have on tb-9? 18:10:06 yes, we can have it ready next week, so aiming for 9.0a8 seems reasonable, is good? 18:10:23 That’s great, who does he need to coordinate with for this? 18:10:38 me? :) 18:10:38 antonela: yes 18:10:59 cool, thanks 18:11:18 I meant from browser dev team side :) 18:11:27 But if no one that’s fine 18:11:34 we have pospeselr in the loop, too 18:11:43 depending on how fast we are with those two items we might even do the next alpha earlier 18:11:48 (that is 9.0a8) 18:11:51 I just want to make sure he knows where to go if he needs help 18:12:02 as it would give us more testing time for them 18:12:19 okey, cool 18:12:36 Ok 18:13:05 and, i know we have new identity for this major release but i feel that i don't have all the information i should before put an icon at the toolbar. is ok if we have the new identity review for 9.5? 18:13:31 no, we need it in 9.0 18:13:43 as we don't have an easy way of accessing it otherwise 18:13:56 given that we don't have the onion button anymore 18:13:59 Ok, let’s discuss what is needed then 18:14:01 what is missing? 18:14:16 we have the hamburger menu? 18:15:14 i mean, someone set 0.5 points to that ticket and seems fine if the title of the ticket is "add an icon at a toolbar" -- seems not enough if the problem we are trying to solve is users' confusion between new circuit, new tab, new window and new identity 18:15:49 could you rephrase that? 18:16:20 all the ticket is supposed to do is to add an icon to the toolbar which gives easy access to what we had in the onion menu 18:16:31 I think antonela is looking for a better more intuitive solution for users than just moving the button 18:17:16 Yes. The ticket was estimated in 0.5 points, which seems good if the scope of the ticket is simply add an icon at the toolbar. I can do it. What i'm trying with this ticket is improving the feature, by improving i mean making it easier for users to understand when to use it 18:17:36 And maybe that is something we can do for 9.5 18:18:02 *that* is something we can do for 9.5, yes 18:18:24 i still think we should expose the option directly on the toolbar as a first step 18:18:33 because it is important that it is not buried in a mneu 18:18:36 *menu 18:18:45 be it behind the onion the hamburger etc. 18:18:54 *hamburger menu 18:19:09 okey, i can do that. rn we have a kind of reload icon at the hamburger menu, which is _fine_ 18:19:50 it seems like we need to teach people that they should now use that menu option 18:20:30 but that is something we can add in 9.5,yes? 18:20:31 yes, that would probably be another part for the new onbaording experience 18:20:40 we will need to instruct users about this change, yes 18:21:17 and i can see showing a dialog the first time the onion button is clicked, telling them again they should use the menu option 18:21:25 yeah 18:21:32 it's like the bridge ui redoing in the browser 18:21:35 but it seems for 9.0 we shouldn't change it too drastically 18:21:50 away from the onion icon into the ui directly 18:22:03 which is accompanied by an onboarding update 18:22:06 ah, right. 18:22:08 sysrqb: yes 18:22:36 okey, i'll include it in the onboarding update and i'll think about a better icon. All this should happen this week. 18:22:48 awesome , thanks 18:22:54 Great, thank you antonela 18:22:56 for 9.5 we can go deeper and also having updates for tba too 18:23:05 yes, that would be good 18:23:11 Shall we move on to the next request? 18:23:16 nice, thank you folks 18:24:05 #31286 18:25:02 which seems like we're just waiting on richard rebasing it? 18:25:35 there are some loose ends as i understand it 18:25:52 but it should be ready next week 18:27:06 so we should get this into 9.0a8 18:27:11 yes 18:27:16 Ok, was the request here to make sure that it gets included in the next release? :) 18:27:20 unless there's something else we should discuss 18:27:33 pili, yes :) 18:27:57 Ok, sounds like we can do that 18:28:26 #30767 ? 18:28:40 arma bugged me about it yesterday 18:28:45 so i'm adding it on the list 18:29:08 who is going to work on it? 18:29:36 sisbell or me 18:29:53 it's a bug in TOPL, it seems 18:29:58 Ok 18:30:10 okay, but we should have first all the other critical stuff done 18:30:15 like #31010 18:30:21 yes 18:31:12 but that should be done this week 18:31:13 good. i know it's been annoying 18:31:28 but it's not critical for 9.0 18:31:34 which means it could easily go into 9.0.1 18:31:41 or 9.0.2 18:33:48 it's not the most critical ticket, but it's bad that thic bug still exists 18:34:02 yes, i agree 18:34:07 Yeah 18:34:32 I wonder how many android users it affects 18:34:54 The problem would be if we lose users because of it 18:35:17 Ok 18:35:20 in general, anywhere where someone wants to use the app, but Tor and default bridges are blocked 18:35:31 Anything else to discuss with this one? 18:35:41 which could be quite a lot of people 18:35:52 Maybe we can put it in the roadmap for November 18:36:07 i received some emails on frontdesk about this 18:36:13 users in iran, china 18:36:31 Right 18:37:07 they have been using a hackish solution to use tor with obfs4 on mobile 18:38:27 Can they use orbot with tab for instead? 18:38:28 okay, thanks ggus 18:38:32 that's good to knoe 18:38:51 * antonela should go offline, will read the backlog later 18:39:04 pili: "with tab for"? 18:39:11 antonela: o/ 18:39:20 Tba 18:39:26 ah :) 18:39:39 not at this time, we don't support it, unfortunately 18:39:42 Stupid autocorrect... 18:39:51 like routing tba with orbot app? 18:40:02 the app only uses its own tor 18:40:16 you could do tor-over-tor, using orbot's vpn 18:40:23 but that would be super sad 18:40:26 yes 18:40:36 :( 18:40:43 yeah 18:40:48 Right 18:42:15 okay, we can see when we can fix this 18:42:19 maybe november 18:42:30 if we don't have time earlier 18:42:34 Gro 18:42:40 Great 18:43:05 Ok 18:43:27 Anything else to discuss about this or anything else? :) 18:43:46 none from me 18:44:10 nope 18:44:15 there's a bug on TB-9.x menu on macOS, but i can't find the ticket 18:44:28 yeah 18:44:33 some users reported in the last days 18:44:38 #31607 18:44:43 we are working on it 18:44:47 it is tricky, though 18:45:11 mcs/brade will pick it up when they are back 18:45:18 do you think for the release is going to be fixed? 18:45:24 and we should have it fixed for 9.0a8 as well 18:45:25 * ggus bookmarks this ticket 18:45:31 ah! ok :) 18:45:37 that's a blcoker for 9.0 18:45:40 *blocker 18:45:51 we should not release the next stable without it being solved 18:46:00 ggus: will you add it to the list of requests so we don’t forget 18:46:11 Although it sounds like we won’t 18:46:49 ok 18:47:45 Thanks 18:47:54 What else people? :) 18:49:15 Everyone groot? 18:49:23 iamgroot 18:49:51 Ok, let’s leave things there then 18:49:58 Thanks everyone! 18:50:05 #endmeeting