15:02:23 #startmeeting S27 08/20 15:02:23 Meeting started Tue Aug 20 15:02:23 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:31 hi 15:02:37 who's around today? :) 15:02:38 o/ 15:02:39 hello! 15:02:40 been a while 15:02:55 * sysrqb is lurking 15:02:59 welcome :) 15:03:12 * syverson_ says hi. 15:03:23 let me find the pad 15:03:29 hi to all 15:03:49 https://storm.torproject.org/shared/KKdEmnTJQEqE61Q14SfIsg2fVID9QjwRHjJTrKsbBXB 15:04:13 Can people please add their updates and any blockers/dependencies? 15:04:53 I'll give everyone a few minutes and then we can get started 15:04:58 ok 15:08:09 ok, I think we can start 15:08:30 so from my side I submitted the report for July and next week it will be time to work on the August report already! 15:08:40 is there anything that I should highlight in this one? 15:08:47 def the work on DoS 15:09:02 Lots of progress on DoS tickets: #15516 is merged. #30924 is almost ready to be merged #24964 and friends are merged. 15:10:05 and also the work on onionbalance 15:10:10 great :) 15:10:12 thats from us 15:10:42 yup, I don't think there'll be anything from browser team side until september at least 15:10:51 sounds good 15:10:59 yes, unfortunately true for the browser team 15:11:23 so the next big item for network team will be the onion balance work? 15:11:40 Put my updates under "Stakeholder" since I wasn't sure where else I fit. 15:12:10 syverson_: perfect, thanks 15:12:41 yes 15:13:15 syverson_: anything you'd like to discuss here from your updates? 15:13:37 Ermm. let me think. 15:14:56 asn: is there somewhere I can see the network team roadmap so I can refresh my memory on when you'll be working on the different S27 pieces? 15:15:51 Mostly, basics are the same. Clarifications that discovery and attestation can be separate. Probably not appropriate to go through here, but I would like to sync on e.g. steps to get these recognized for lookup in DHT. 15:16:10 pili: the kanban I would say on dip if you have access 15:16:17 I do 15:16:18 pili: is probably the latest very updated by gaba and our team 15:16:23 ok 15:17:37 (im also at the mozilla meeting...) 15:18:10 syverson_: sure, what's the best way to sync on this? :) 15:19:03 e.g mailing list discussion? 15:19:23 or this meeting? (although it seems like at least asn has divided attention :) ) 15:20:09 Ermm, you tell me? I would like to know if anyone is willing to work with me on this (or could be assigned to take it on?) 15:22:10 I guess it depends on how much extra work it is outside of the scope of this sponsor work :) 15:22:21 or if it can be otherwise be made to fit 15:22:39 I would need some input from asn or dgoulet to understand more 15:22:55 maybe we just all need to read the paper again 15:23:41 Why would it be considered outside of scope? I'd need to pull up proposal to say exackly where, but I feel I'm perhaps disrupting because I'm not sure how to approach this. 15:24:10 I guess it was around the objective to make long onion names easier to use? 15:25:49 syverson_: this is a bit of a cheat sheet for the sponsor: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/Sponsor27 15:26:39 the other thing to do would be to create tickets in trac to describe the work that is needed and tag them with the Sponsor27-can keyword so they are on our radar 15:27:24 one thing I believe after Stockholm was that the "long onion" problem, the PoC was to go with HTTPS-E (see #30029) 15:27:40 I was just looking at the Jan 21 version of proposal doc. I do feel like I'm disrupting primary flow of meeting and maybe shouldn't try to respond here. 15:28:41 syverson_: well, we've gone through the updates and I don't believe anyone has any dependencies they wish to discuss 15:28:42 I think there are limitations/issues w/ simply going with HTTPS-E but maybe can talk to dgoulet or someone separately? 15:29:03 so I'm happy to open the floor for this discussion 15:29:22 Ah, so might as well talk to Paul 'cause there's nothing more important to do? ;>) 15:29:25 there are but this is TB team decision to go forward with whatever they want to do with s27 :S 15:29:45 syverson_: regarding HTTPS-E... i think it's important to understand that this is just a POC 15:29:47 and I believe HTTPS-E was picke din the end 15:30:36 I think that given the time constraints that we have for this project HTTPS-E makes sense for now 15:30:42 In that respect makes sense. 15:30:49 that doesn't mean that we won't look at complementary solutions 15:30:57 d'accord. 15:32:17 ok, so maybe it makes sense to discuss this when the Browser team is starting to look at that that objective 15:32:26 or maybe a month before or so 15:32:28 one sec 15:33:02 so, we'll probably start looking at this in October 15:33:19 I would say that by mid September we'll probably start doing this meetings every other week again 15:33:25 Honestly am just paging back in lots of things (like how to function at all on IRC). Who best ping so I can be more constructive (including possibly just lurking) at next S27 meeting. 15:34:10 so it may make sense to try to discuss this on the Sept 17th or 1st October meetings 15:35:17 pili: I don’t think the browser team will be ready to discuss this in Sept or even Oct 1 (imo) 15:36:11 brade: sure... back to the drawing board then :) 15:36:51 OK by me to discuss later, though I would like to start putting together goals and timeline even if it's for a few months out. 15:37:08 I think brade is just saying that we (browser team) need to get past more of the ESR68 work and then have some time to look at this. 15:37:10 pili: should I ping you separately about that later? 15:37:16 syverson_: yes please 15:37:19 I am not sure who on our team will take the lead either. 15:37:42 I have someone in mind who was reluctant in the past, so I won't mention them ;) 15:38:38 ok, last thing for today then is to confirm the date/time for next meeting: 17th September @ 15UTC 15:38:57 hopefully this won't clash with the mozilla meeting but if so I'll look at moving out by one week 15:39:05 sounds good 15:39:07 any objections? last minute comments? 15:40:24 ok, let's wrap this up then... I'll be sending an email out to ask for August updates also :) 15:40:27 thanks everyone! 15:40:30 #endmeeting