15:59:45 #startmeeting www meeting 08-14-2019 15:59:45 Meeting started Wed Aug 14 15:59:45 2019 UTC. The chair is ggus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:53 hi folks o/ 15:59:57 pili is on vacation, let's break the portals \o/ 16:00:11 haha 16:00:54 pili is on vacs and we wanted to run this meeting anyways, so we can move forward with the #docshackathon triagge 16:00:56 *triage 16:02:01 ggus, do you want to continue moving issues from trac to dip? or check dip issues and tag them? 16:02:48 antonela: let's do trac-> dip 16:02:53 cool 16:03:04 so the two queries we are using are 16:03:22 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=merge_ready&status=needs_information&status=needs_review&status=needs_revision&status=new&status=reopened&component=Community%2FTor+Support&order=priority 16:03:27 and 16:03:27 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=merge_ready&status=needs_information&status=needs_review&status=needs_revision&status=new&status=reopened&component=Community%2FTor+Browser+Manual&order=priority 16:03:43 o/ 16:03:49 hi emmapeel o/ 16:03:52 sorry im late 16:04:10 its fine, we just opened the first bottle ;) 16:04:31 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/27354 16:05:05 should go to support.tpo 16:05:14 ggus, one question, are you closing the trac tickets that you are moving to dip? 16:05:35 antonela: yes, but i'm also tagging them with docshackathon 16:05:41 ggus, perfect 16:05:56 so, #27354 - yes, should go on support.tpo 16:06:30 that is content for technical docs, but we can include it in a support entry 16:06:56 yes. the link shoudl be found though, i dont think traumschule meant to add that information to https://support.torproject.org/tbb/tbb-21/ 16:06:56 what was the dip link again? I don't have an account so just the direct link to issues works 16:07:21 clash: this is on trac 16:07:21 https://dip.torproject.org/web/support/issues/15 16:07:25 oops 16:08:26 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/13005 this maybe, could be added to tb-manual 16:08:33 clash: it's also on trac, see the link that i pasted. it's just a copy 16:09:17 got the dip link, was checking it along with trac to see issues already ported over 16:09:25 hm, why in https://dip.torproject.org/web/manual we don't have issues 16:09:34 clash: ah, ok! 16:13:35 about this https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/30515 i think we should point all the relay configuration to community.tpo 16:14:03 so we don't have to update in two websites 16:14:19 #19057 ? 16:14:57 i think it is very important not to duplicate the content 16:15:00 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/28235 for tb-manual perhaps 16:15:10 #23565 <- this is doable, emmapeel already had ideas 16:15:17 clash, yes! 16:15:18 because that will make content go outdated, people will update and think it is ok, but there is more things to update 16:15:34 emmapeel: yes 16:16:14 * traumschule feels hilighted 16:16:26 hello traumschule !!! 16:16:27 * ggus waves to traumschule o/ 16:16:36 hey :) 16:16:38 hi traumschule!!! 16:16:57 oh i see, i had ideas. luckily before i forgot i wrote them in the ticket 16:17:07 traumschule you should feel illuminated not highlighted 16:17:10 :) 16:17:33 emmapeel: tickets, good stuff 16:17:44 #23809 ? 16:18:12 #28235 is more about developers than documentation writing 16:18:19 hehe, i feel i have to catch up some 16:18:21 *for developers 16:19:52 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/29785 this can be done 16:20:17 antonela: this one we already reviewed during community team meeting. nowadays you can install all OS on a raspberry, and the instructions aren't different from the relay guide 16:20:23 traumschule: do you know about the docshackathon? we are planning one for suppot.tpo and tb-manual.tpo September 2 to 7 !!!! 16:20:42 emmapeel: and main portal too 16:20:53 yeah yeah 16:20:54 clash, yes! and also we can move the glossary from an issue to a formal item at the left menu 16:21:29 cool, didn't know. currently traveling but maybe i could contribute a few hours 16:22:19 #31211 - could we add this one? 16:23:26 antonela: i don't have a mac os to try that instructions, but yes 16:23:33 cool 16:23:36 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/28526 can the documentation part of this be done? 16:23:53 clash, we want to keep it there as part of s30 work 16:24:08 probably, later 16:24:23 #31337 - is this leeeeeet issue done ggus? 16:24:43 very special issue 16:24:50 (: 16:25:01 insert hackerman.jpg 16:25:06 haha 16:25:27 #fixed 16:26:01 good stuff 16:26:10 #23371 - this one? 16:26:11 oh yeah i fixed that 16:27:18 it was weird! there were two asterisks on the text, so the markdown was getting confused 16:27:18 antonela: yes, to support portal or tb-manual? 16:27:31 i think is good to have it in support 16:27:34 (#31337) 16:27:58 what do you think folks about #23371? 16:28:05 wait, antonela emmapeel are you opening these tickets in dip? 16:28:24 nope, but we are logging this meeting so i plan to do it after the meeting 16:28:30 ggus: #31337 is closed 16:28:35 ok 16:28:38 (so we can move faster) 16:29:28 #28474 16:29:54 #4509 should be moved somewhere else than Community/Tor Support I think... 16:30:15 wait 16:30:45 well, actually maybe is a cool ticket for the hackathon 16:31:00 i don't think we should move that instantmessaging doc 16:31:29 once we have a list of tickets for the hackathon, they'll need to be triaged in order of difficulty right? 16:31:40 emmapeel: could be 16:31:43 ggus: why? 16:32:00 clash: yep, we will do it when pili is back 16:32:21 half of that page is discontinued software 16:32:33 other part is dangerous /leaky software 16:32:40 good points 16:32:44 should we close that ticket so? 16:32:47 ggus: updating it may be part of the process 16:33:08 but yeah i guess instant messaging topics are not so relevant now that there is no tor messenger right? 16:34:28 yeah, i think it need to be updated 16:35:11 in any case if the informatin ois not cool, we should also take it out from the wiki :D 16:35:18 maybe we can rename that ticket? 16:35:38 ill do it 16:35:44 emmapeel: if this is the criteria we should shutdown trac-wiki :) 16:35:45 Add tor + msg apps entry at the support portal 16:35:51 and mention that docs at the description 16:35:53 hehehe 16:36:38 #28418 is a good one and i think we should have it in dip 16:36:52 yes, for #28418 16:37:05 noscript changed their UI lately, so we need to make sure that we hace up-to-date material 16:37:10 cool 16:37:52 updated! 16:38:09 gracias emmapeel! 16:38:30 ggus: i added the keyword to https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/InstantMessaging 16:38:30 emmapeel: about the glosary #29785 16:38:43 ggus but i didnt open ticket in dip 16:38:48 yes antonela 16:39:18 emmapeel: i think that 1. we should move it as a left menu item 2. we should link key words in articles to the glossary word 16:39:33 emmapeel: we can do 2. together, but what do you think about 1.? 16:39:54 i think somebody should do it. i tried and i was not able 16:40:17 2. would be nice to do also as a filter when rendering the markdown 16:40:40 i can do 1. 16:40:51 more than finding links by hand, or maybe something like [g:$word] and you get the glossary 16:40:51 for an automated 2, lets aim for it, yes 16:41:04 like a macro thing 16:41:18 if you can write some code that can do that, we can do it [o.o] 16:41:31 hehe well i could learn but it will take me some months 16:41:32 :D 16:41:53 anws, lets think about it, but i can do 1. during the hackathon - will place a proper ticket 16:41:56 or something that when you hover it hints the definition 16:42:16 like wikicards 16:42:17 yes 16:42:20 yes like wikipedia does 16:42:21 yes 16:42:22 yes 16:42:29 we can do it i think 16:42:32 #28109 - should we close it? 16:42:54 antonela: yes please 16:42:59 hehehehe 16:43:21 i created this ticket to move feedback wiki page to support: https://dip.torproject.org/web/support/issues/13 16:43:25 that reminds me to the people that writes to tails-bug because people at tails.com does not send them the dog food 16:43:54 haha 16:44:01 hahaha! 16:44:09 okey, we cleaned the first query! 16:44:12 \o/ 16:44:15 poor tails.com support folks 16:44:24 "Hey nsa is following me, help me" 16:44:29 hehehehehe 16:44:41 HAHAHHA 16:45:08 our users are not as clueless as theirs 16:45:21 :sunglasses" 16:45:23 : 16:45:24 * emmapeel is proud of the thorough Tails users 16:45:38 😎 16:45:45 they report all kinds of redundant stuff 16:45:57 okey folks, i'll move the tickets we discussed to dip and we can continue this process with pili next week 16:46:04 is good? 16:46:11 yep, another question 16:46:18 yes! 16:46:18 continue this process = go through the tb manual query 16:46:35 ggus, go 16:46:42 do we want people to 'subscribe' to the hackathon? so we know how many ppl will show up? 16:46:49 sorry registrattion 16:46:59 registration is very important 16:47:03 i am so afraidw 16:47:30 lets figuring out the situation with guess accounts internally and lets define it based on that 16:47:38 we are being a bit unwelcomind i think, if we provide a collaboration space where contributors are limited 16:47:45 i think it's prior of dip account 16:47:46 they should be able to comment on other issues,e tc 16:48:03 yep 16:49:31 is it possible to use some public service so we don't have to take care of providing everyone with accounts? 16:49:35 it would be nice to have ppls contact, so we could email them and help on onboiarding 16:49:42 or will there be a sign up page 16:51:17 we need to figure out 16:51:22 that will depends on how guess accounts are going to be released in dip, i guess? 16:51:32 yep 16:51:36 lets think about it 16:52:07 antonela: we also need to have a deadline for the blog post 16:52:32 okey, i think we should sync with stephw about it 16:52:53 one idea: we create a form in survey.tpo with nickname, email and what tickets the person is interested tofix 16:53:04 this form should be linked to the blog post 16:53:06 two weeks earlier is good, and then more social media callouts the week before 16:53:13 this blog post could be published next tuesday 16:53:45 good stuff, so by then we need to have the login/registration/account situation figured out 16:53:54 yes 16:54:01 is it possible to make some sort of temporary accounts maybe for the duration of the hackathon 🤔 16:54:35 im not sure 16:55:06 plan b: we export the issues from dip and import in github 16:55:18 because every participant should have an individual account so we can keep track of who did what 16:55:20 we will ask TSA what is doable 16:55:29 clash: yep 16:55:42 and to give individual account, we need registratio 16:55:45 registration 16:55:51 yes, or plan b 16:55:52 plan b is bad - lucky we have the entire alphabet for planning 16:56:13 plan c: make dip ready for guest accounts 16:56:22 antonela: this is plan a 16:56:31 plan a is the survey thing 16:56:34 isnt? 16:56:39 no 16:56:51 survey is to have registration so we can talk with our collaboratos 16:57:03 ohh i see 16:57:10 and to have a notion on how many people we are talking 16:57:13 1 - 1000 16:57:22 cool 16:58:25 hmm so like a form where they sign up so we get an idea and then if we just want to open dip registration to those people we send them an email with registration link and/or other instructions 16:58:26 all good? 16:58:34 we are about the hour, we can continue talking about it in tor-www 16:58:37 clash: yes 16:58:40 yep 16:58:47 could you call it ggus? 16:58:50 sure 16:58:52 thanks folks! 16:58:53 #endmeeting