14:00:32 #startmeeting ux-team 14:00:32 Meeting started Tue Jun 11 14:00:32 2019 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:41 hello folks! 14:00:46 hi emmapeel o/ 14:01:13 the usual pad is here https://storm.torproject.org/shared/y3a8nkKYx5xgqZV1ZQ-LHlp6zmXo-ue9-B8Z7mOjxj8 14:01:24 lets fill the updates and any agenda item 14:01:31 hi 14:01:56 hello 14:02:38 hello 14:02:45 hey everyone :) 14:04:08 hello all 14:04:13 okey let's start 14:04:24 dunqan: i just shared with you my notes for the presentation 14:04:31 @antonela got it, thanks for sending that over! 14:04:40 let me know if you can open it, is just an idea, we can change/add/remove things there 14:05:09 Yep I've got in the Notion file fine 14:05:22 super, we could sync about it next week offline and coordinate it, im not sure how much time we will have 14:05:43 so next week we will have that info settled 14:06:40 clash, thanks for opening that tickets about the icon 14:06:41 okay sounds good – then we'll have a week or two to artwork the pres itself? 14:06:50 dunqan: yes 14:07:01 cool! 14:07:25 antonela: no problem, I saw the issue exists on desktop too btw 14:07:30 clash: i'd like to review those details by the 9.0 release. For it, we should provide all the assets for the implementation 14:08:25 (clash: the 9.0 release will be end of october) 14:08:44 what i would like from you, if you have availability, is to work together on reporting TBA issues (that doesn't have ticket yet) - for example: If you open a link like pad.riseup, the bookmark feature interrupt your navigation in order to offering you to save bookmarks 14:08:57 BUT, we have bookmarks disabled, so everything get broken 14:09:45 have you experienced some of that bugs/issues on tba as well? 14:10:08 antonela: I can edit the assets svg for you to take a look at all three (stable/alpha/nightly) 14:10:34 antonela: I'd love to do that :D 14:10:47 Not the bookmark one but I encountered one with the custom tabs 14:10:52 awesome 14:11:12 #30572 14:11:25 i recorded screenshots today with the recorder program. video screencaps 14:11:30 in android 14:11:31 great, did you open the ticket about the voice assistant screenshots? 14:11:50 emmapeel: yee, we discovered some weird thing last week about screenshots 14:12:03 ok! 14:12:04 antonela: nope, I was looking for a fix though. I'll do that 14:12:33 but hey! the about:tor page was in spanish! :D 14:12:47 clash, oki, thanks! 14:12:55 emmapeel: \o/ 14:14:09 okey, that is all for me regarding updates 14:14:27 pili, do you want to talk a bit about the dev meeting sessions we have? 14:14:44 sure 14:14:59 pari included the user research one at the wiki, but gaba put that back in the pad because we need to prioritize/organize it 14:15:14 so i want to make sure that we have the sessions we should have :) 14:15:18 yeah, we're trying to see what we have before we start adding them to the wiki 14:15:23 perfect, yes 14:15:29 I can share the pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/_kDAK09C16xL2lBRQ7sJ 14:15:41 the first one for the UX team is the S9 planning 14:15:44 for phase 3 14:15:53 yes 14:16:01 and S27 "sync up" 14:16:24 s9, could we have it later than our user research one? 14:16:41 i'd like to work with ggus before roadmapping 14:16:44 yup, definitely 14:16:45 let me add a note 14:16:50 actually, there is already a note to that effect more or less 14:17:40 we should also do a S30 - anti-censorship technologies kick off 14:17:47 which should start in July 14:17:59 (although I'm still waiting to hear more on that) 14:18:10 btw, very important 14:18:28 yes, i should sync with phw about it 14:18:43 please think of any prep, brainstorming, etc... that would be useful to do ahead of the meeting 14:18:44 we have limited time this year so we should try to make the most of it 14:18:49 "Positive future vision extravaganza plenary" <- whatever this is, it sounds amazing 14:19:01 you should make it dunqan 14:19:03 party time... ;) 14:19:09 heh 14:19:12 (not really unfortunately :) ) 14:19:15 haha 14:19:16 is not a party acutally 14:19:17 hahah 14:19:18 yes 14:19:21 is a brain party 14:19:38 anyway, if anyone can think of any prep people should do before the UX team sessions, please add to the pad 14:20:15 moving on, there's the ux personas session 14:20:17 i had a 1.1 with isabela yesteday pili, and we will need a session for sharing/prioritizing user problems 14:20:33 per product, TBA and Desktop 14:20:44 ah yes, we also spoke about that 14:20:53 not sure if we can merge it with the roadmapping session, we did it last time and was intense but good 14:21:02 re: prioritisation, we need to think about which sessions will help us solve any problems we currently have 14:21:06 i'll start to draft that list this week 14:21:07 how we scale, etc 14:21:30 yep, that is your business haha 14:21:43 actually, I was thinking about something different, but definitely should think about user problems 14:21:54 those are different things 14:22:15 one is about user problems (and trac tickets related to it) and roadmapping 14:22:32 Okay, made the ticket antonela, #30853 14:22:37 and you are thinking about prioritisation of the current work, am i right pili? 14:22:54 yup 14:23:01 (I was thinking about user support :D) 14:23:08 and how we scale that 14:23:11 yes that is what i thought 14:23:13 but that's a discussion for community 14:23:16 anyway... :)_ 14:23:17 we should have a community discussion yes 14:23:33 oki, we can continue with it tomorrow during our 1.1 pili 14:23:40 sounds good 14:23:45 overall i think we have the sessions we need 14:24:04 then, there are a lot of other sessions we should make but not facilitate 14:25:32 ah yes, I was just listing all the ones where UX team should be involved 14:25:47 perfect 14:26:00 what else regarding the dev meeting? 14:26:09 just to think about prep :) 14:27:08 yep :) 14:27:13 oki, you have more items in the agenda 14:27:18 yup, sorry! :D 14:27:21 re: search YES PLEASE LETS MAKE THAT HAPPEN 14:27:52 yeah, I think we should just go with the subdomain approach: search.*.tpo.org 14:27:53 we have an infra team now so we should ping anarcat about it and how to make it happen. Hiro already did a lot of work related on it, but it needs a final decision 14:28:04 * anarcat raises head 14:28:07 is that the last decision that needs to be taken? 14:28:16 anarcat: we're talking about search for the portals 14:28:19 there is a plan about search already 14:28:20 there's an email somewhere... 14:28:24 ah 14:28:43 is not that easy, we should search per portal and if not we should have a good search results page that allow people to find what they are searching for 14:28:43 maybe I should cc you in it if you're not there 14:28:46 we talked about it a bit in brussels and we can talk all together at the dev meeting 14:29:06 maybe we should add that to one of the sessions 14:29:15 that is cool, we need a session or a quick talk? 14:29:20 I don't think we necessarily have time for a full discussion on it 14:29:27 s/discussion/session 14:29:30 also at IFF there was a bit of a talk to share this with tails ... so not sure who will come from tails but we should talk because I might have to think about the whole structure of this 14:29:41 or is part of the infra team roadmapping? 14:29:44 ok, so we'll park it until dev meeting 14:29:46 sajolida is coming 14:29:51 good I talked with him 14:31:04 pili: why we don't have time to talk about search? if it is important we should... we do not get so many opportunities to talk together in life? 14:31:42 hiro we should have time to talk about it! 14:31:45 I know, it just depends on whether there are any other higher priority sessions and how many slots we have 14:31:46 Hello all. Happy to join up today 14:31:59 I will add it as a separate session on the list then 14:32:06 and see how we go 14:32:09 if we can't talk about things why are we even doing the meeting? 14:32:12 hiro, do you want to facilitate it? who else do you need in that table to make a decision? 14:32:28 hi anarcat o/ 14:32:48 make a decision = move forward 14:32:49 we can definitely talk about things it's just about finding a time to do so 14:33:25 we probably have an infinite number of things to talk about but unfortunately time is finite :) 14:33:32 pili, please lets list a session for it, is very important for the overall experience, specially in portals like support.tpo 14:33:37 maybe if this isn't high priority enough we shouldn't plan it for the next 6 months 14:33:58 I am adding it as a session on the list 14:34:02 cool 14:35:24 thanks pili and hiro 14:36:10 ok 14:36:14 that's all I had on search :) 14:36:53 next thing from me was about whether we have any infrastructure in the UX team that anarcat should know about 14:37:02 anything that we maintain 14:37:13 ohh 14:37:24 what we have or what we need? :) 14:37:52 just what we are using for now 14:37:55 hello antonela :) 14:38:12 what you need, also 14:38:13 but you can also add needs 14:38:15 i dont recall on servers, maybe hiro does 14:38:22 i'll list needs :) 14:38:41 do you have the spreadsheet somewhere close pili? 14:38:48 * antonela wants to add another tab to her 9120102 tabs 14:38:50 are there any plans fpr runners for dip.tpo? 14:39:01 https://nc.riseup.net/apps/onlyoffice/s/QEM4MNBA8MmWW4x 14:39:05 thanks! 14:39:08 emmapeel: +100 14:39:09 i think we're still doing CI through jenkins for now 14:39:16 but i think it would make sense to eventually transition towards gitlab 14:39:21 <3 14:39:37 one of many battles ;) 14:39:42 we love battles 14:39:51 i don't 14:39:55 i am a peacenik 14:39:55 :D 14:40:20 haha 14:40:53 oki, emmapeel make sure that you list stuffs on that spreadsheet too! 14:41:06 also, i should mention you don't need to add the machine if it's already listed in the TPA inventory, in https://db.torproject.org/machines.cgi 14:41:12 i should have mentioned that before of course 14:41:30 got it 14:41:49 antonela: ok, ill add majus! 14:42:02 perfect! thanks! 14:42:03 ah ok so no majus 14:42:06 haha 14:42:16 okey, pili, your last item 14:42:24 and we have some minutes to talk about that, go for it 14:42:43 yup, just a reminder to please keep on working on the community portal 14:42:54 I don't have anything specific other than going through the list of outstanding items 14:43:05 I haven't had time to look at the current status this week yet 14:43:10 so I need to review myself 14:43:26 but I really want us to get a minimum version that we're happy to share for feedback soon 14:43:35 soon == this week 14:43:59 classh made a nice suggestion, i think i will change the page accordingly: 14:44:01 19:52 < clash> I was looking at community.tpo and the Localization call to action is more of a question -> "Will you help us translate?" unlike the 14:44:04 other CTAs. Minor detail but I was wondering if it could just be "Help Us Translate" which is more consistent with the other ones. I'm 14:44:07 not sure :thinking_face: 14:44:26 yes, is a good point 14:44:39 sounds more direct! 14:44:45 yup, sounds good, also, if you can update gitlab with any issues or progress that would be good 14:44:52 i expect that kind of review during the content review - will that happen before sharing for feedback? 14:45:02 there are currently issues attached to milestones for the different sections 14:45:16 lets check them? quickly? 14:45:19 ok 14:45:24 ok 14:46:12 https://dip.torproject.org/web/community/boards 14:46:25 there's a bunch of content on needs-review which I guess will need stephw ? 14:47:02 can everyone please update the board if necessary 14:47:10 I'm moving a bunch of things over to needs-review 14:47:41 * antonela takes a look 14:49:52 oki, will we sync over those updats on thursday's meeting really? 14:50:26 on a related note, I also found some places on community.tpo have .onion while others have .Onion 14:50:56 may i know what is the topic today 14:52:00 hi iiiiiiiuuuuuu, this is the ux team sync weekly meeting - we have an agenda at our open pad https://storm.torproject.org/shared/y3a8nkKYx5xgqZV1ZQ-LHlp6zmXo-ue9-B8Z7mOjxj8 14:52:03 oops, they left 14:52:08 what else folks? 14:52:51 antonela: yup can do 14:52:54 Hi Antonella, I was also hoping you could comment on the reported surge in Tor users 14:52:55 that's it from me 14:53:17 Maybe shed more light 14:53:42 oh that is a good one tunde 14:53:57 emmapeel has more idea since she has been following it 14:54:14 no, i have no idea. there is a spike in iran they say 14:54:25 but i didnt understood there was a reason found behind it 14:55:07 I interpreted the surge to mean confidence in Tor itself, which is a positive thing 14:55:30 me either, but i read some conversations about it 14:55:39 the ticket is #30636 14:56:30 there's a crackdown in iran atm, may be responsible 14:56:42 mostly offline but apparently there's an online element to it too 14:56:43 there's also a discussion in tor-talk 14:56:44 mailing list 14:57:02 btw is there a fixed time/meeting when community.tpo content is reviewed? 14:57:11 tunde, if you find more info about it please comment at that ticket 14:57:21 seems the relevant ticket to this discussion 14:57:36 clash: yup, Thursday's at 1400UTC 14:57:40 Ok, thank you 14:58:08 pili: sweet, thanks! 14:58:27 is there one united place where all meeting times are listed or is it team-specific? 14:58:50 well, this one has been semi closed e.g people who know about it know when to show up 14:59:13 we've not necessarily opened it up to anyone :) 14:59:28 in general each team lists their weekly team meetings on trac 14:59:48 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/WikiStart#Teams 15:00:11 i need to close this meeting folks 15:00:12 I have to jump on another meeting now ;) 15:00:18 thanks for coming! 15:00:22 #endmeeting