17:00:00 #startmeeting network team meeting, 10 June 2019 17:00:00 Meeting started Mon Jun 10 17:00:00 2019 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:06 hi folks! Who is here today? 17:00:13 The pad is at https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2019.1-keep as usual 17:01:04 hello 17:01:06 hi 17:01:08 o/ 17:01:09 hi 17:01:16 hello! 17:02:14 Looks like teor and asn are not here today, so that should be everybody, assuming gaba is here 17:02:28 o/ 17:02:56 I don't see any new CI failures going on here 17:03:03 So on to 041 status? 17:04:05 We've got less and less in 041, so that's good. We have 6 assigned tickets, and 8 unassigned tickets left. 17:04:14 (there are also the tickets in needs_reviww and the ones in merge_ready) 17:05:00 could everybody have a look over the "owner action" tickets and the "unassigned" tickets and make sure that there is nothing there which it would be disasterous for us to miss in 0.4.1.x-stable? 17:05:19 * ahf nods 17:05:43 These are all "should" items by me, but I don't think they should block our release date if they are late. 17:06:54 If there's nothing there that can't wait, let's move on to the roadmap 17:07:13 gaba: I have a couple of items that were in "pending review" which I need to revise; I moved them back to "in progress" 17:08:04 ok, thanks 17:08:11 * gaba was updating the roadmap just now too 17:09:02 anybody else with updates on the roadmap? In theory, we are mostly done with 041 stuff, wrapping it up, and moving back to sponsored work for 042 17:09:33 to everybody, please remember to assign yourself the ticket in trac that you are working on. 17:10:20 nickm: oh hmmm about dirauth email... I sent an email to the dirauth list last week on unrecommending 3 versions iirc because of the 2019 TROVE... 17:10:25 (FWIW I am kind of rushing through the every-week stuff this time, so we can get to the discussions) 17:10:25 nickm: so I guess there is overlap with yours 17:10:44 exams finished early. im around. o/ 17:10:45 dgoulet: great; please edit mine if you want to make any changes to it? 17:10:46 nickm: which should be fine... 17:10:47 hi asn! 17:10:50 * asn reading updates 17:11:58 it's good with rushing throughs these things, i think we'll stop you if there is something we want to discuss here 8) 17:12:02 last every-week item is looking at the reviews 17:12:15 there's a bunch of stuff here, but I hope a bunch of it is simple 17:12:28 please remember that every review is something that another dev is blocking on :) 17:12:41 (that goes for me too; I should also remember that) 17:13:06 most of my reviews this week were pretty easy, so if anybody wants to pass something on to me, just let me know 17:13:42 Once we've all looked at reviews, it's on to the announcements. 17:13:53 gaba: what kind of stuff are you thinking of about "resources we are using"? 17:14:43 it is described in anarcat's email to tor internal. 17:14:51 it is mostly machines you are using for one thing or the other 17:14:58 it is a request from the sysadmin team 17:15:20 mail with subject "hardware and infrastructure survey" in tor-internal 17:15:56 This includes: 17:15:56 * physical hardware, cloud servers, containers 17:15:56 * paid or donated resources 17:16:05 So, like, Trac isn't listed right now. 17:16:11 but everybody uses it 17:16:14 should I add it? 17:16:17 yes, I think is not considered or they will add it 17:16:25 the God service of tor 17:17:18 how about externally hosted, free of charge services like github, gitlab, coverity, ...? 17:17:43 good point 17:18:12 I've started adding some stuff, but let's see if we can think of more 17:18:16 mm, you could add it 17:18:27 and then they decide which info to use and which one not to 17:18:54 there is a column for comments :) 17:19:06 so I guess in general, as you use a system this week, please make sure it's on anarcat's list so it doesn't get garbage-collected :) 17:19:31 :) 17:20:20 Next is email -- before they take any steps on email, the admin team wants actual bug reports about the current system, as in "something that went wrong" 17:20:32 let's see if we can give them that, if we're hitting real email problems 17:21:27 #30608 is having a bit of discussion about that 17:21:28 nickm: there's definitely a "email to list@tpo when it should have been list@lists.tpo takes a week to bounce" problem that i keep forgetting to document 17:21:52 ahf: yup -- that's the link on the pad :) 17:22:24 ah, right 17:22:50 next thing is that teor would like comments on #30759, so please swing by there 17:24:00 On to discussion? 17:24:34 gaba: want to talk about tor meeting agenda stuff? 17:24:47 yes 17:25:20 we are going to be making the schedule soon so we need ideas from sessions that need to happen. There are a lot already but if there is something that you think is missing please add it to the pad this week. 17:25:31 https://pad.riseup.net/p/_kDAK09C16xL2lBRQ7sJ 17:25:52 cool 17:26:34 many good topics there already! 17:27:03 will there eventually be a voting/heat-map process on these? 17:27:34 nickm: we do not know what the process on deciding on this will be but I think it will be the discussion at las vegas team meeting this Thursday. 17:28:01 I'm sure once we have a proposal for schedule then people can comment and talk about changes 17:28:48 * asn looking and thinking 17:29:04 if everybody spends some time on this, it will be a good use of our time 17:29:11 yep 17:29:19 stuff that we don't have time for at the meeting, we should try to fit into one of our monthly retrospectives 17:29:30 or set up some other online meeting 17:30:03 just to confirm here, we do have a net team day before or not? 17:30:03 next topic is rotation handoff. ahf, please ask teor is there's anything you should know; mikeperry, please tell me if there's any bug triage stuff I should know 17:30:06 If you are adding something remember to add facilitator or suggest people there. 17:30:14 dgoulet: we have to fit all our stuff into the 3 days available IIUC 17:30:18 ack 17:31:08 dgoulet: do we want a session about hs dos ? 17:31:45 asn: not entirely sure there ... 17:32:04 i think a real life meeting is a good way to get consensus about parameters etc. 17:32:23 asn: plausible 17:33:14 As for the patch party time question -- everybody please weigh in on the pad, if you have an opinion. (It's about moving it to wed/thu) 17:33:27 dgoulet: ok imma add one, and lets see where it goes. 17:33:41 last discussion thing is a pad I posted about unrecommending some older versions. 17:35:16 tl;dr: I say unrecommend everything affected by a TROVE, everything that is EOL, and all non-stable versions of 0.4.0.x. Please let me know if you think that's wrong :) 17:35:30 Any other discussion stuff for this week? I don't see any needs-help questions 17:35:53 catalyst: would you like to pick a time between now and wednesday to talk about config refactoring and control refactoring next steps? 17:36:09 I have some ideas that I would like to bounce off you 17:36:40 about unrecommending older versions: is that something that can go into a short blogpost? 17:37:11 I don't know that it needs to; this is basically about "which tor versions should create a warning when you start them" 17:37:31 We've already had blog posts telling people what is unsupported and what versions exist 17:38:31 nickm: Tuesday or Wednesday afternoon look ok for me right now 17:38:44 great; please tell me a time on Tuesday and I'll make sure to be online then? 17:39:54 ok I just want to clarify-clarify something again... if let say we (net team) wanted to talk about network team stuff in Stockholm, I would need to propose something on that pad? 17:40:15 dgoulet: I think that is right. gaba: you agree? 17:40:52 ok 17:41:13 dgoulet: mmm, something that maybe can not put public? 17:41:24 we will have the first day for network team stuff 17:41:32 nea not public per-se 17:41:33 roadmap in the morning, retrospective in the afternoon 17:41:50 ok, maybe we can include it in the afternoon for the first day, near the retrospective 17:41:51 but there is a difference between "Only net team" and "net team + 10 people" :) ... not that I'm against but depends on the subject 17:42:02 I see 17:42:02 but overall, just wanted to know if there is a time slot for "teams" but seems no? 17:42:19 the first day is for teams. The sessions in the pad are for 2nd and 3rd day 17:42:26 thanks for asking that as I did not clarify it. 17:42:28 nickm: Tuesday 14:00 CDT? (19:00 UTC) 17:42:42 ah 17:42:43 cool 17:42:46 catalyst: == 1500 EDT ? sure! 17:42:47 ahaah! 17:42:58 gaba: oook so the session for day 1 are were? :) 17:43:11 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019Stockholm/DailyAgenda 17:43:24 but they are general. Maybe we should start doing an agenda for network team for first day 17:43:38 if there are specific conversations that do not feat roadmapping or retrospective but are only for net team 17:44:10 gaba: ok great thanks! 17:45:49 Cool, thanks for clarifying, gaba! 17:45:58 do we have any other stuff for today? 17:46:52 it seems we don't. 17:47:28 ok. Thanks, all! 17:47:39 o/ 17:47:42 #endmeeting