18:00:54 #startmeeting tor-browser-release 05/08 18:00:54 Meeting started Wed May 8 18:00:54 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:04 hi everyone 18:01:07 * GeKo is here 18:01:07 hi 18:01:18 let's give people a few minutes to get here 18:01:33 while I share the pad: https://storm.torproject.org/shared/KQqelL9_bVYdSdRtp0Ax8Fq5iMS4Dtdpp11SHt0lxuD 18:02:52 * mcs is here but admits to trying to do other work at the same time :) 18:03:07 ok, let's get started :) 18:03:34 I have to say I got a bit lost with the release dates, but I think we have 8.5 coming out next week? 18:03:44 mcs: that's a feature :) 18:04:00 we planned so, yes 18:04:08 we were also planning to release 9.0a1 next week a while back 18:04:16 but without the add-on emergency releases 18:04:17 has that changed in light of the 8.5 change? 18:04:27 or will we try to get them both out at the same time? 18:05:43 on monday we said we don't want to push yet another quick releases to get the security updates that come with 60.7.0esr as 8.5 18:06:09 so we release 8.5 the week after it 18:06:21 5/20 sounds like a good day for that 18:06:48 i expect we'll have a bunch of last minute issues as we never releases a mobile stable yet 18:06:58 i suspect some google play troubles 18:07:06 so 5/20 for 8.5 stable? 18:07:09 < here 18:07:09 or some signing issues 18:07:12 yes 18:07:28 we get the security fixups out next week 18:07:43 and start essentially at the same time with last minute release prep for 8.5 18:07:48 and then we build 8.5 next week 18:07:59 do a more extensive QA than usual 18:08:04 and release 8.5 on monday 18:08:06 but the security fixups with go in 8.5a13 then? 18:08:10 yes 18:08:15 and 8.0.10 18:08:28 ok, great :) 18:08:35 I was missing that piece of the puzzle 18:09:14 and 9.0a1 after that I guess at some point? :) 18:10:19 yes, basically as soon as we happy with the 8.5 outcome 18:10:24 sounds good 18:10:31 and don't think we need a fixup release for that one 18:10:54 anything else we want to discuss on the releases/release schedule before we move on to requests? :) 18:11:36 sorry, is the new icon going out with 8.5? if yes, should we plan some kind of communication? 18:11:47 +1 18:11:48 that's a great question :) 18:12:12 I think it's a good idea, people might be confused, or think they got the wrong download 18:12:17 s/communication/press/idk 18:12:24 yes, specially about that 18:12:40 yes, im going to draft a blog post and call out features 18:12:42 like we did for 8.0 18:12:46 and ill contact press too 18:13:01 will ping you antonela so we can get some nice images :) 18:13:13 antonela: it is 18:13:16 :) 18:13:27 cool 18:13:41 it's one of the main new "features" of 8.5 18:13:54 I'm so excited about it 18:14:01 ^_^ 18:14:37 :) 18:15:12 if that's all on the discussion points, sstevenson had a request... :) 18:15:21 which we should probably discuss 18:15:34 hi! yes, isa and i were talking about the possibility of a fundraising banner 18:15:45 however, i don’t want to take away from the splash of the new icon 18:15:56 hm 18:16:33 i think 8.5 is not a good release for that, mainly as it risks of delaying things further 18:16:39 (we need translations etc.) 18:16:46 could we add a donate button to the about page? 18:16:51 right, even if we keep it simple, the translations take time 18:16:58 so i am fine putting something in in a point release, though. 18:17:01 yes 18:17:04 stephw - we also talked about that 18:17:12 we’d already have that translated 18:17:32 could do that gold color which apparently works so well 18:17:37 which message? 18:17:44 just a donate button 18:18:00 maybe above “Questions?” 18:18:42 hm, hm 18:18:47 i need to think about that 18:19:16 okay, so let’s think about that and a simple banner for the next point release 18:19:24 when we're talking about the point release, what's the earliest that we think that will be? 18:19:54 if nothing goes wrong and we need to just fix smaller tings two weeks after 8.5 18:20:03 *things 18:20:34 giving users an update every week might not be the best user experience 18:20:35 so, early June then 18:20:38 more or less 18:20:43 the thing with about:tor is that we have been generating a lot of newsletter signups, i think through that link, and we have a better flow where people see a message about donating after signing up for the newsletter and then a welcome message that also mentions donating 18:20:48 given that it closes tabs etc. every time 18:21:20 and those efforts have been generating some income 18:21:30 nice 18:22:01 this page needs a donate button https://donate.torproject.org/subscription-request-sent 18:22:07 sstevenson: so what are you suggesting here? 18:22:19 that we should do the about:tor donate button? 18:22:23 or that we should not? 18:22:25 or? 18:22:43 once they confirm, they see this: 18:22:44 https://donate.torproject.org/subscribed 18:23:23 GeKo: i’m suggesting that perhaps it is best to leave about:tor as it is instead of immediately bombarding new users with fundraising 18:23:40 i tend to agree 18:23:40 since we are reaching them in other ways 18:23:51 all users do see it though 18:23:52 ah, okay 18:23:57 more than they likely see our website 18:24:00 now i get your point :) 18:24:04 periodic fundraising banners will be nice reminders to regular users 18:24:29 so the banner would not go on about:tor? 18:25:18 antonela: shouldn’t this page https://donate.torproject.org/subscription-request-sent have a donate button once we add it to the footer? 18:25:30 i think all of our banners have benn on about:tor so far 18:25:38 not sure wherer to put the banner instead 18:25:47 *where 18:25:59 right, and i was suggesting the button as an easy fix since it doesnt require translation and i thought that was one of the issues for doing it now 18:26:04 ah, right, so people only see it when they update 18:26:35 well, anything we need to add to the browser is nly visible after at least one update 18:26:38 i was thinking it was only new users seeing about:tor 18:26:46 be it button, banner 18:26:47 no 18:26:55 sstevenson: we have it in our footer, not sure why GR doesn't have it here 18:27:07 only if they customized their homepage they would not see it anymore 18:27:16 i think some users are doing that 18:27:28 but the vast majority probably don't 18:27:33 *doesn't 18:27:54 antonela: i forgot this is their page. they have it on their roadmap to match our new footer 18:28:22 sstevenson cool 18:30:01 sstevenson: does that change what we want to to do then? 18:31:01 pili: as stephw suggestion, it would be an easy way to solicit users without having to worry about translation time 18:31:10 it would definitely generate income 18:31:29 so, to be clear, we're back to proposing adding the donate button to about:tor 18:31:41 GeKo: what is your hesitation? 18:31:42 the question then is when? :) 18:32:49 about adding the banner/button? 18:33:03 that testing and writing that code takes extra time 18:33:06 about adding a line about donating to about:tor 18:33:24 and we are already way too late for 8.5 18:33:57 yup 18:34:08 if mozilla did not mess up we'd have 8.5 frozen by now and the first release candidate 18:34:13 okay gotcha 18:34:23 *had not messed up 18:34:41 but let me think a bit about it 18:34:47 as i know we need money :) 18:34:51 ;) 18:35:07 :-) 18:35:28 would we need a new design for that button? 18:35:37 i mean resuing text is one thing 18:35:43 a button? or a line above the newsletter? 18:36:02 whatever 18:36:16 i try to figure out the pieces involved here 18:37:27 https://share.riseup.net/#wb6nWFdWaQcB_QQzVOtbqA 18:37:30 but i am not sure what's the best thing for the donation part 18:37:31 well, the other question is whether antonela needs to be involved also and she has time :) 18:37:41 yes 18:37:49 well, she never has time, but whether she can somehow fit it in 18:37:50 this is simple, we just need a string already translated 18:38:18 ok 18:38:40 we could have that line in the short future and the banner later? 18:38:45 idk 18:38:55 antonela: lol —>”Do you like us?” 18:38:58 haha 18:39:06 haha 18:39:14 so, yes, just text we already have translations for is easiest 18:39:27 i guess we could start with that at least for 8.5 18:39:42 do we have that translated? :D 18:39:46 let me see 18:39:47 haha 18:39:56 well, not that one, haha 18:40:03 we have proper lines to live there 18:40:22 we could pick one from the last campaign banner 18:40:31 yes, exactly 18:40:50 18:40:55 is what we have 18:41:40 but i am not sure whether we still have the old strings 18:42:08 it does not seems to be the case, hm 18:42:17 i'll investigate a bit 18:42:18 should we ask emmapeel? 18:42:29 yeah 18:43:40 we have "Want to help? Donate or get involved!" 18:43:51 on the dialog showing the browser version 18:44:06 that could work 18:44:12 but that is not one link 18:44:19 hamburger menu -> Help -> abot tor browser 18:44:24 well, we'd have to remove get involved 18:44:28 not sure if that's possible 18:44:31 no, but we could reuse the strings 18:44:35 yes 18:44:39 there was also (from the year end 2018 banner): 18:44:40 if we could find “Keep Tor strong. Donate now.” from the campaign that would work 18:44:41 they are separate 18:44:56 (I am not sure if those strings are still in Transifex though) 18:45:14 yeah, i don't find those strings in the source anymore 18:45:37 Removed from Torbutton with commit 648b643cf9bc828e409cd07e7633f2c226b6ce7f 18:45:39 so that's be something for emmapeel 18:45:44 yes 18:45:51 *that would be 18:46:45 hoho, i just got mail 18:46:46 so, if we decide to do this, when do we need to have things by? 18:46:57 mozilla is pushing the release one week 18:47:18 ! :-) 18:47:25 so it seems no dot release next week 18:47:55 right, let's start the meeting again then... :P 18:48:02 lol 18:48:17 I guess we need to review some dates then 18:48:35 so i guess we do 8.5 with esr60.7.0 even so it is not optimal 18:48:40 ok 18:48:43 and will do 9.0a1 at the same time 18:48:47 that is may 21 18:48:50 sure 18:49:11 that should free some of our time to get something for the donations in 18:49:14 into 8.5 18:49:22 i'll sart looking at that tomorrow 18:49:49 and no 8.5a13 or 8.0.10 at all 18:50:14 awesome. if we are able to do a banner, it will definitely generate more income than the line above the newsletter line, but i know that is a lot more work 18:50:19 pili: yep 18:50:24 cool 18:50:40 banner for 8.5 i doubt 18:50:51 cool 18:50:55 sstevenson: yup, I think we're still talking about link :) 18:50:57 but text and maaaybe button shuld work 18:51:00 *should 18:51:05 sounds good 18:51:07 ok 18:51:12 if anybody comes up with specs for the button 18:51:23 color, size, etc. 18:51:40 ok 18:51:41 sstevenson antonela can you work together on that? :) 18:52:03 sure! 18:52:04 ye, ill provide 18:52:24 GeKo: when do you need that by? 18:53:18 asap 18:53:49 to have more time to test the result for 8.5 18:54:27 ok 18:54:37 so definitely before the end of this week 18:54:47 antonela: is that ok? 18:55:06 haha yes 18:55:43 okay, sounds good 18:55:55 i expect to build 8.5 right now in a week 18:56:39 so, yes, by the end of this week latest 18:56:55 i'll ping emmapeel tomotrrow regarding the strings 18:56:59 *tomorrow 18:57:10 cool, thanks everyone for working together to make this happen :) 18:57:41 we have a few more minutes, is there anything else anyone wants to discuss? 19:00:19 thanks, everyone! 19:00:37 ok, calling it 19:00:42 #endmeeting