15:00:29 #startmeeting S27 05/07 15:00:29 Meeting started Tue May 7 15:00:29 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:34 ok 15:00:39 who's here for the S27 meeting? 15:00:40 hello 15:00:55 hi 15:00:59 o/ 15:01:08 o/ 15:01:20 pad is here: one last one and we call it? 15:01:23 oops 15:01:28 https://storm.torproject.org/shared/i7RNTJk4FfzkPFl3izSl3EiiPZs4GQDZacJAv5z69t8 15:02:13 ok what we doing? 15:02:17 updates here, on storm? nowhere? 15:02:39 here is fine 15:02:44 I can add to storm pad 15:03:01 ok through the last weeks we went heavy on o1a2 with dgoulet 15:03:02 <- 15:03:03 we analyzed it more 15:03:24 we have a plan for the next few weeks (#15516 and #26294) 15:03:41 and we also sent an email to tor-dev with an analysis of the situation 15:03:52 we also went heavy on the network-team side of o2a1 (client auth) 15:04:00 which seems to require quite a bit of work from the network-team 15:04:13 which seems to be a pattern here. that o2 tasks seem to require more work from netowrk-team tha nwe origianlly thought 15:04:33 in any csae, the next steps for us for o2a1 are #30381 and #30382 15:04:54 i think we plan to priorize these (at the expense of o1 deliverables) so that we unblock the tb team 15:04:59 EOF 15:05:40 o/ 15:05:57 thanks asn! 15:06:10 do you think we need to review time estimations? 15:06:29 or can we make some "savings" elsewhere? 15:06:46 i think we are still good 15:06:58 in terms of our goals until stockholm 15:07:42 ok, any blockers/dependencies on the Network team side? 15:07:49 nope 15:08:05 we are unblockable 15:08:28 :D 15:08:29 anything else from the network team? 15:08:35 asn, :D 15:08:41 let me activate dgoulet 15:08:44 i think he might not know 15:08:45 about this reality 15:09:06 dgoulet: o/ 15:09:12 hi 15:09:42 dgoulet: i briefed what we did on o2a1 and o1a2 15:09:50 great 15:09:53 dgoulet: i said we have no blockers 15:10:02 dgoulet: and pili asked if there is anything else 15:10:43 so far so good I believe 15:10:45 great 15:10:57 great :) shall we move on with Browser team? mcs/brade? 15:11:06 any updates/blockers? 15:11:07 brade and I experimented with Arthur's old client auth patch (v2) from #14389 and commented in the ticket. 15:11:14 This week we are working to answer asn's questions, e.g., will the control port event approach work for other objectives including o2a2 and o2a4. 15:11:25 It may make sense for the Network Team to hold off on #30382 until we are sure the approach will work. 15:11:32 The issue of associating a control port event with a specific connection/tab inside the browser is still something we need to work through on the browser side. 15:11:38 interesting 15:11:42 thanks for the info 15:12:07 We are unsure for the moment but should have more to say in a day or two. 15:12:27 ah, nice to see that we can make some progress on other objectives at the same time 15:13:37 I think if we can figure out the underlying architecure for this, future work will go faster. 15:13:48 agreed 15:13:51 that's important 15:15:00 btw, are there any objectives/activities that we think are at least 50% finished? (so we can start billing OTF for them) 15:15:15 no pressure whatsoever, just checking :) 15:15:18 nope 15:15:23 honestly speaking 15:15:28 I don’t think so from the browser side. 15:15:32 that's absolutely fine 15:15:51 i think in a month or two we will have stuff in that level of completion 15:16:09 ok, anything else from browser team side? blockers? any other points to discuss/coordinate? 15:17:14 I don’t think we have any other blockers 15:17:34 great, thanks mcs and brade 15:17:40 antonela: do you want to go next? 15:17:59 sure, I worked on #30237, I think mcs and brade are trying to figure out some pieces of it before answer there 15:18:27 i'm currently trying to map all the escenarios we have for #30024, i aim to update it before the week ends 15:19:14 do you need any input from anyone here on #30024? 15:19:51 no yet 15:22:04 ok, anything else from UX side? :) 15:22:09 any questions for antonela? 15:22:29 nope we are good and in contact 15:22:40 great, let's plan for the next meeting then 15:22:44 we have some things going on regarding O2A5 aka names 15:22:56 is it still ok to meet in 2 weeks time? 15:23:01 * pili goes to check the calendar 15:23:35 asn sent an email to HTTPS-E folks, is good that they are going to join us in Stockholm so we can move forward with it 15:24:02 yup! 15:24:03 well bill did not answer 15:24:07 asn: can you keep sysrqb in that loop? 15:24:09 i hope he will be in stockholm 15:24:18 he might be working on that part 15:24:21 ack 15:24:22 or helping with it 15:24:25 there is not really a loop right now tho 15:24:28 any updates from the other folks? e.g CF or FB? 15:24:31 yeah 15:24:32 but yes will have it in mind 15:24:40 but if there will be a loop :) 15:24:44 thx 15:24:49 nice sysrqb :) 15:24:52 we are in contact with both CF and FB 15:25:01 not much from CF 15:25:08 i sent both folks a mail 15:25:21 (get back to them) 15:25:41 but fb had some good feedback i think 15:26:18 yes 15:26:20 i replied to fb 15:26:24 another thing: 15:26:29 ok, hopefully they haven't lost interest... ;) 15:26:31 or at least that they don't suddenly get interested and want things at the last minute :) 15:26:42 we've been talking with the namecoin folks and there are interesting things being discussed 15:27:07 we might want to do an internal meeting about this 15:27:21 GeKo: there are no actual plans for next steps here, right? 15:27:25 (which reminds me to ping isa again 15:27:28 ) 15:27:41 we should get isa in the boat and then do the meeting 15:27:44 ack 15:27:51 and then take it from there 15:28:09 ah, yes, sorry I missed that meeting/demo in the end 15:28:11 how was it? 15:28:21 but i have not heard from jrand back so far 15:28:28 I had too much on in the end that day 15:28:31 what is to hear back from jrand? 15:28:36 pili: it was much better than expected 15:28:41 but i guess he is working on getting this stuff streamlined 15:28:46 no 15:28:49 i think he is waiting for us 15:28:54 no 15:28:55 would this be an alternative solution for O2A5 15:29:05 pili: it would be an alternative co-existing solution 15:29:09 sounds good 15:29:12 no, they could live together 15:29:19 a symbiotic solution 15:29:24 the best kind :D 15:29:25 we said we'll wait for him for a clean-up patch 15:29:29 we want symbiosis in the beginning 15:29:30 or something we can further test 15:29:40 ack 15:29:44 so the technical namecoin stuff is in this court 15:29:48 *his 15:29:49 oh okey 15:29:58 i didnt catch this exactly from the meeting 15:30:04 mainly because we closed it super fast because of the other meeting 15:30:13 and it was like "oh ok cool. thanks. bye" 15:30:28 btw, anyone should feel free to invite any of these people to this meeting 15:30:29 yeah, that day which tor had *two* meetings with cam 15:30:30 but if we communicated precise action items, thats good with me 15:30:32 when it makes sense 15:30:39 pili: yes 15:30:40 antonela: XD 15:30:43 pili: it's still not the time 15:31:00 ok 15:31:33 another offtopic thing 15:31:40 pili: im still nowhere close to #30019 15:31:49 oh, yeah, sort of related 15:31:56 do you need anyone to help you with this? 15:32:05 we should have the content ready by the end of May 15:32:07 well the o2a1 updates have kinda clogged me a bit 15:32:11 ok 15:32:11 because its more work from us than expected 15:32:22 and its blockin tb 15:32:28 end of May is the final final deadline :) 15:32:31 I know :) 15:32:33 nice thx for that 15:32:40 a deadline is useful 15:32:50 i can definitely fit a half-assed job until end of May 15:32:59 but i dont know if i will have what i was originally hoping i would have 15:33:19 anyone else that could help with this? 15:33:37 not sure 15:34:06 there is a bunch of people that could do it 15:34:08 i also want to do it tbh 15:34:29 ok, let us know by mid May or so if you won't be able to get round to doing it 15:34:36 ok sounds good 15:34:45 i first want to finish my part of o2a1 15:34:48 and then i will jump to that 15:34:59 thanks asn! :) 15:35:01 right, any other last minute things from anyone? 15:35:07 im good 15:35:34 ok, next meeting will be 21st of May @ 15UTC 15:35:38 does that still work for people? 15:35:43 it does 15:35:52 but an email reminder would be appreciated i thing 15:35:54 *think 15:36:01 if possible 15:36:28 yup, will do 15:36:29 ok, in that case I think we are done now 15:36:30 works for me 15:36:35 thanks o/ 15:36:36 thanks everyone! :) 15:36:41 #endmeeting