18:59:12 #startmeeting tor-browser-release 02/06 18:59:12 Meeting started Wed Feb 6 18:59:12 2019 UTC. The chair is pili. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:39 Hi everyone, here's the pad for today: https://storm.torproject.org/shared/nM8ynYOtD6dTEZc0H8BWY9532vIx_ZJR7C1BXl5NZWZ 18:59:58 any special guests today that would like to say hi? :) 19:01:55 just the usual suspects then 19:02:24 i guess so 19:02:37 so, next release we're working towards right now is TBA-a3 19:03:05 GeKo: any features/changes that we want to highlight for this one? 19:04:37 a quick search shows: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TBA-a3 :) 19:05:00 o/ 19:05:37 are we still on track or will we need to drop some of those items? 19:05:49 we probably need to drop some of those 19:06:10 i need to think about it a bit more though 19:06:18 o/ 19:06:37 hey wayward :) 19:06:45 the important ones we want to have are the circuit display, the orbot replacement and pts and the new ui when starting up 19:08:41 ok, noted :) 19:08:51 GeKo nice 19:08:53 basically all the items with very high or high prio :) 19:10:07 ok, anyone here have any requests for inclusion into the next TBA-a3 or otherwise? 19:10:35 i need to talk with sysrqb about some things as well regarding updates that we might want to squeeze in 19:10:58 giving that it takes at least two release before users get those features 19:11:07 or see them in effect 19:11:34 why's that? :) 19:12:19 well, you get them with release X but you see only if some things are working when users are updating to releae Y 19:12:41 while X got out at t_1 and Y at t_2 (t_1 < t_2) 19:12:45 ah right, literally the updates :D 19:13:03 e.g. if you sign the update with some key you bake it in into relase X 19:13:03 gotcha 19:13:06 *release 19:13:12 but the update is tested in Y 19:14:52 ok cool, right now do we know if the updates are working? 19:15:18 I seem to remember reading that they might not be quite working for TBA 19:15:29 I haven't been able to try it myself 19:15:51 they do, but we have #29238 19:16:18 which is one of the things we should get fixed in tba-a3, too 19:17:36 sounds good 19:17:46 ahh this is good to know 19:17:57 any other comments about TBA-a3 ? 19:18:15 wayward: any other hot issues that we should try to fix for the next release? 19:18:35 well, the main issue I've been seeing for TBB proper is this: 19:18:53 'https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/29175 19:19:10 causing issues with Pidgin and other things, too 19:19:44 but its status is 'merge ready' so I imagine you're all already on top of it :) 19:20:12 The screen reader issue is also still ongoing as far as I'm aware 19:20:40 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/27503 19:20:41 I think we shipped some sort of partial fix? 19:21:05 a hacky workaround and only in the alpha 19:21:11 ah ok, that's good to hear! 19:21:50 those are my only points - there weren't many issues mentioned on the 8.0.5 blog post 19:22:59 thanks wayward 19:23:22 np! 19:23:34 any other comments from anyone about the upcoming release before we move on to the discussion section of the meeting? 19:24:48 ok, let's move on 19:25:21 so... next week ggus and I are going off to India and we'd like to start testing the current security settings iteration 19:25:54 !!! 19:25:54 oh hey that's me 19:25:58 :D 19:26:09 we will need a nightly/custom build for it :) 19:26:15 is that something we can/will have? :) 19:26:57 yeah, I currently have the UI elements prototyped, and I started work on plumbing through the torbutton config settings yesterday 19:27:27 ok 19:27:32 pospeselr: it doesnt needs to work *perfect*, we are testing the UI basically, if it does something great then 19:27:32 I'm pretty sure I can have the door hanger and the about:preferences page mostly working by the end of the week 19:27:48 the way we want to run this test is that I will download it on my laptop and record the screen while they use it 19:27:52 pili, which computer are you going to bring to india? 19:28:07 I've not 100% decided, but possibly my older macbook air 19:28:24 oki, lets share os details with pospeselr so we can have a build working there 19:28:37 will do 19:28:38 when do you need it by? 19:28:44 pospeselr: you already know my comp details, if i can have one too i'll be happy ^___^ 19:28:48 is next wednesday too soon? 19:28:58 i think I can handle taht 19:28:59 ideally before I go so I have a good connection to test it 19:29:09 that'll give me a few days to deal with build issues :p 19:29:17 jiji, thanks pospeselr!!!! 19:29:17 or friday at the latest 19:29:18 or thursday 19:29:22 just so we have some time to go back and forth if there's any issues also :) 19:29:31 which language? en-US? 19:29:38 yep 19:29:48 oh actually i suppose that doesn't matter given the string sin the new UI won't be translated 19:29:55 exactly 19:30:18 well, we have strings for that ui 19:30:47 ah true 19:31:06 but, english is fine, pili doesnt speak hindi yet :) 19:31:20 :P 19:31:21 gosh what a slacker :3 19:31:33 only a bit of malay :P 19:31:38 but that's no use in India ;) 19:31:41 jaja 19:31:47 cool 19:32:03 pili, all of the people we will meet in India, should understand english well enough. 19:32:06 :) 19:32:07 ok, so pospeselr let's keep in touch about it, I'll check in with you next wednesday :D 19:32:21 * antonela will share the usability research with pospeselr too 19:32:28 kushal: hehe I know :) 19:32:33 ok excellent 19:33:29 ok, any other comments on the custom build and/or the india user testing? 19:33:38 nope, we are great 19:34:04 ok, next item is a last minute addition :) 19:34:17 latest android release on the F-Droid store 19:34:23 pili, also I can not speak the local language in this state, so we will be same. 19:34:23 !!! 19:34:37 sorry for the extra words in the meeting. 19:34:48 kushal: my brother in law is from Kerala, maybe I should get him to teach me some malayalam :D 19:34:57 (i think that's how you spell it... :P ) 19:35:09 with more fancy glyphs, yes 19:35:19 pili, correct 19:35:43 so, for F-Droid, do we have some process that we need to make sure we follow every time to make sure things are published in the F-Droid store? 19:36:01 is it a manual process now? 19:36:09 if so, should we try to automate it somehow? :) 19:36:40 anyone here know about this? :) 19:36:59 i think sysrqb was on top of it 19:37:33 ok, would be nice to document the process at least if not already 19:37:41 it's manual right now 19:37:51 one way to fix that is setting up an own repo 19:38:18 ok, maybe it makes sense to wait for the stable release to do this 19:38:20 which is another of those things i wanted to talk to sysrqb 19:38:48 well, we want to test it in an alpha series first, though 19:38:53 are there any blockers regarding setting up our own repo, or is it an infrastructure maintenance issue? 19:39:18 GeKo: don't have many alpha's left yet... :) 19:39:48 well, the thing is we probably want to h ave a alpha series for mobile anyway, like for desktop 19:39:56 (another thing to talk to to sysrqb :) ) 19:40:21 we could keep the signing key and the alpha app as we have it right now 19:40:23 ok, let me take a note of all this 19:40:46 but feel free to keep discussing in the meantime 19:40:47 and test 9.0a1 features as we do so for the desktop series 19:41:02 i mean how would we test mobile otherwise 19:41:24 and i think testing an own frdoid repo during that cycle seems reasonabl 19:41:26 e 19:41:32 so that we have it ready for 9.0 19:41:52 ok, so we're probably looking at the 9.0alpha series for the F-Droid repo? 19:41:52 (or maybe even for 8.5.x if we find it works reliably) 19:42:05 i guess so, yes 19:42:23 meanwhile we poke _hc once in a while when a new release is out 19:42:33 to upload it to the f-droid store 19:44:11 understood 19:44:28 once you have that link, could you share with me pili? 19:44:49 i want to update https://lektor-staging.torproject.org/tpo/staging/download/ 19:45:17 the f-droid store link? :) 19:45:23 yes yes 19:45:31 if happens before we launch :) 19:45:46 sure, will do 19:46:04 where you see that giant google play button, there should be f-droid and our tpo link too 19:46:10 yup 19:46:31 ok, I'm good on the F-Droid front, anyone else have any questions and/or comments about this? 19:46:35 or any other topic? 19:46:43 im excited about next releasesssss 19:46:46 I have a question! 19:46:51 go for it wayward 19:46:54 antonela: me too!!!! 19:46:59 (I'm excited to test with the users!!) 19:47:02 *____* 19:47:13 Where can I see new features that will come out on 8.5? so that I can update tb-manual accordingly :) 19:47:30 should I just work off of the alpha build? 19:48:20 wayward: I believe the alpha build is the best bet so far 19:48:20 wayward, lets work together on sec settings docs, i have notes about it 19:48:31 great, thank you pili and antonela ! 19:48:42 also, checking the 8.5 alpha release announcements on the blog for a list of updates 19:48:50 once we have the build ready, we will share with you as well so you can experience it too 19:49:39 thank you!! :D 19:49:55 wayward: yes, going over the changelogs from 8.5aX taking into account those things into account that got backported to 8.0.X is the best option right now 19:50:10 s/into account// 19:50:23 hehe ok, perfect! thanks GeKo :) 19:51:17 ok, anything else from anyone? 19:51:55 * antonela is groot 19:52:25 ok, thanks everyone, good meeting today! :) 19:52:31 #endmeeting