13:59:40 #startmeeting ux team 13:59:40 Meeting started Tue Nov 27 13:59:40 2018 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:59:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:59:48 hello! another ux meeting :) 14:00:01 👋 14:00:26 lets start as usual updating our roadmap and leaving your weekly updates 14:00:28 hi dunqan! 14:00:36 hello! 14:00:37 https://storm.torproject.org/shared/SThDMQ428TbfNAozmboi-afc_3jcsexVsyZwu9PuMKS 14:01:33 if you have anything for review, please add them to the agenda 14:02:05 nyinz: hiro: emmapeel: ! 14:02:12 hi! 14:02:25 before I get started can I ask a quick Q – do you have an upgraded marvel account for Tor? 14:02:31 I've hit my limit on the free tier 14:02:42 *before we get started 14:02:52 we don't but i have 14:02:57 one sec 14:03:24 hi 14:03:27 sorry, got distracted 14:04:07 dunqan: do you want to sync something now? or can i share with you the credentials after the meeting? 14:04:22 hi nyinz and pili! 14:04:48 either, whatever's easier for you 14:05:01 I can share the work in here or just with you directly after the meeting 14:05:31 (it's just in a sketch file atm, but I can upload that to sketch cloud for review too) 14:05:46 Hi there 14:06:16 dunqan: yep, lets use sketch cloud just now and let's sync after the meeting about the credentials 14:06:21 hi elio! 14:06:36 cool ^^ 14:07:01 * antonela waiting for people to write updates 14:07:17 Hi antonela! (sorry I'm a bit late) 14:07:35 since is the last week of the month, i'll start going over our roadmap to see what needs to be moved to next month and what is the current status of things 14:07:36 hi pari! 14:07:39 nice to have you here <3 14:08:12 nyinz: tb8 onboarding user testing is ready to review? 14:08:43 yes, thanks! 14:08:47 nyinz: [In progress] Define User Testing for upcoming S17 trips (helen) is the most important thing now because ggus will have some trainings in brasil starting next week 14:09:16 lets sync about the survey questions today and what is blocking you at survey.tpo 14:09:23 ok. I will prioritize this then 14:09:32 sure 14:09:47 hiro: tpo.org and tpo.org/about is in progress? 14:10:01 yep 14:10:07 awesome 14:10:18 one sec and I'll paste the staging 14:10:39 emmapeel: we will need another poc for translations in TB, i think GeKo will take it 14:12:02 https://lektor-staging.torproject.org/tpo/staging/ 14:12:03 elioqoshi i added Explorer redesign on November because we started it this month, we will carry over december too 14:12:08 hiro ! 14:12:18 wooo \o/ 14:13:04 okey, roadmap is done, anything else i'm missing? 14:15:38 duncan: elioqoshi: i added you two in the agenda queue to quickly show what you are iterating on 14:16:03 okey, lets move to discussions 14:16:10 sure thing, just uploading it to sketch cloud atm 14:16:19 next week i'll be at SF for All Hands, so no UX meeting 14:16:29 next UX meeting will be on December 11 14:18:04 we will have a couple of meetings there 14:18:47 i'll share with fireffox folks the improvements we have been working on, mainly security settings, new tb icon, next iteration for circuit display and onion padlock and some TBA 14:19:22 last time we got a full table of designers so is a really cool space to share what we are working on 14:19:38 dunqan: when you are ready you are up 14:20:03 roger roger 14:20:13 https://sketch.cloud/s/q8JlM/rbqJmoq/play 14:20:17 Can everyone access that? 14:20:52 to have some background, dunqan is working on an iteration for the TB onboarding to introduce users the new security settings 14:21:18 dunqan: yes accessible 14:21:50 Firstly, apologies for any font issues – I think Sketch automatically replaced a bunch with SFUI, but I'll tidy that up later 14:22:11 no worries, is the first iteration! 14:22:19 looks cool on first look :) 14:22:35 I found a minor copy issue but I understand it's the first iteration ;) 14:22:38 cool work! 14:22:45 Basically instead of just opening the successor to the slider directly (as the onboarding experience currently does) it takes the user on a brief guided tour, similar to the circuit display 14:23:18 yes, that is great 14:23:22 I thought we'd need to explain in order, 1) what the shield icon means, 2) what the default security level entails, 3) how to change all of the above 14:23:28 I have one query, when user clicks on the "Review your Security" button, does the onboarding screen essentially go away and is replacing by a new tab page? 14:23:45 I've left out any mention of the control centre though since it seemed to advanced for initial onboarding 14:24:18 yeah pari, I was planning on mimicking the same behaviour that's just been introduced to the user with the circuit display 14:24:31 which opens DDG in a new tab when the user hits the button 14:24:56 yes, it opens a new tab, wondering if we really need a new tab (on dev perspective) or if we can run it directly in about:tor 14:24:57 oh I see, and the onboarding screen comes back on at the end after the user clicks Done at step 3 14:25:16 yep that's the current behaviour 14:25:41 this is a slight aside, but I was thinking it would be worthwhile indicating which buttons in the onboarding experience redirect you 14:25:49 versus which buttons just progress to the next step 14:25:56 yep 14:25:59 dunqan: cool, nice work! 14:25:59 as at the moment it's all in the wording, and could maybe use an icon 14:26:04 thanks! 14:26:24 antonela, I still haven't digested feedback yet so I'd prefer to skip it today 14:26:34 As I'm not well prepared 14:26:34 I was also wondering if the icons should be baked into the preferences screen too antonela, to reinforce what the difference settings mean? 14:26:54 elioqoshi that's fine, no hurries :) 14:27:51 dunqan: i really like the three steps you approached, we can have help reviewing the copy from the comms team but overall i think is good. I'd like to 1. review the highlight you have when the icon is selected, maybe purple instead of blue? 14:27:57 ps thanks pili – let me know what the copy issue is and I'll get that fixed :) 14:28:26 sure thing antonela 14:28:49 I just used blue as it seemed to be the current behaviour? but maybe it should be purple since it's a tour, and not user activated? 14:29:27 2. could we have a version without guided tour? i mean, i think the guided tour is a good way to introduce it to users but i want to make sure that we have an option to devs to just explain it in the card 14:29:28 dunqan: on this link https://sketch.cloud/s/q8JlM/ELq37WR - the description for "Safer" "causing some sites will lose functionality" I guess that should be "causing some sites to lose functionality" :) 14:30:12 either that or remove the leading "causing" 14:31:12 overall is a great approach dunqan! do you mind to upload it into a trac ticket so we can share with devs? 14:31:18 let me check if we have one specific for it 14:31:47 antonela: sure thing, would that just entail copy changes to the card – with the button pinging open your redesigned settings screen? 14:32:06 (i.e. as close to the current behaviour as possible?) 14:32:18 pili: gotcha, thanks! 14:33:39 yes, exactly 14:33:51 awesome, no problem 14:34:04 I'll produce a couple of options and add a little writeup to trac :) 14:34:05 just to have those two approaches and estimate what development effort we can have 14:34:14 made it #28628 14:34:26 ah perfect, ta 14:34:45 super, ping us if you have any troubles setting up your trac account 14:34:51 hey good work dunqan! 14:34:56 will do, tyvm! 14:35:11 another item i have in the agenda today is about metrics and colors 14:35:25 and i'm sharing it here because is a beautiful topic and im sure designers will have opinions :) 14:35:51 the relevant ticket is #28353 14:36:26 karsten told me: 14:36:29 As of now, there are four colors in this graph: 1) red; 2) blue; 3) 14:36:29 purple as mix of 1 and 2; and 4) neutral/gray. So, we're not looking for 14:36:29 random four colors, but we're looking for colors that work together like 14:36:31 this. 14:36:33 Yet these four colors should be easy to distinguish, friendly to look 14:36:35 at, and last but not least color-blind friendly. 14:36:37 Do you have any suggestions on that? On the ticket or here would be great! 14:37:19 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/28353#comment:8 is the version they have rn 14:37:54 i think the contrast between the red line and the pink one is not enough 14:38:40 specially because the [exit only] numbers are low compared with [Guards + Exit] 14:38:41 antonela: I agree 14:38:54 they are almost merging together 14:39:03 yes :/ 14:40:02 overall i think we should include some graphs references at our styleguide so folks like metrics can use them with confidence 14:41:26 +1 nice idea 14:41:35 that will be a good initiative! 14:42:05 yep, i'll back to that metrics ticket and create a new one for a graphs section at the styleguide 14:42:14 * antonela to-do 14:42:31 antonela: metrics plot their graphs in some java library /me thinks 14:42:46 we should sync with irl in order to understand what they can plot 14:42:48 yes, irl can illuminate us on that 14:42:55 hello 14:42:57 hihi 14:43:05 hola iain :) 14:43:16 and how we can include that in our styleguide in a way that we can display it in html (maybe without having to use an image) 14:43:37 im thinking that could be very useful to have a graphs section at the styleguide 14:43:43 yep 14:43:47 is styling at the end 14:43:51 i think this does sound like a useful thing to have 14:44:07 which library are you using? i know you told me before but i dont remember rn 14:44:10 https://metrics.torproject.org/connbidirect.html 14:44:21 this one in particular is not pretty 14:44:28 we are using ggplot2 which is an R library 14:44:42 we call the R code from Java, but the actual graphs are made with R 14:44:53 https://ggplot2.tidyverse.org/ this one? 14:45:08 https://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-web.git/tree/src/main/R/rserver/graphs.R is our code for each graph 14:45:09 irl: I am thinking if we plan to port the metrics website to lektor we could think of something in python 14:45:11 yeah, that's it 14:45:29 it should be possible to call R from python too 14:46:02 i was actually thinking that we would move the graphs to graphs.metrics.torproject.org and just include them from that seperate thing 14:46:11 also 14:46:26 this allows seperating the dynamic from the static content 14:46:46 but I think it would be nice to have something that we can generate in our styleguide too and hopefully other websites 14:47:05 ye 14:47:33 if people use ggplot2 to make graphs, they'll get similar looking graphs 14:47:37 we will be working on website the next months so the styleguide will receive some love, it could be part of that love 14:47:42 we can decide on the colours to use, fonts, etc 14:48:16 i don't think we have a ticket, filling it now 14:49:17 so shall we generate images too for the styleguide? 14:49:24 or shall we have some interactive example? 14:49:48 I mean maybe we could take this opportunity to find something that we would be comfortable using generally speaking 14:49:54 it is not easy to do an interactive example in a static site, we could generate some examples 14:50:14 if you wanted to try to make something with d3.js like relay search's graphs then that could be interactive 14:50:47 done #28629 14:51:12 in the longer term we are trying to rethink the metrics pipeline and we would probably have a better framework for visualisation then 14:51:13 irl we can generate it in python 14:51:24 hiro we can explore the options, whatever works with lektor is cool because is where we are going 14:51:44 okis another thing to add to my task list xD 14:51:49 irl, that ticket could be part of that effort 14:52:00 we can discuss libraries and implementation 14:52:10 http://yhat.github.io/ggpy/ this looks like it does ggplot2 style graphs in python but i've never used it 14:52:40 i hate that grey background, is the first thing i'd like to remove lol 14:52:47 ohh is doable so 14:53:02 remember that the grey background can help people to interpret the graph 14:53:11 haha yes i know 14:53:17 the main purpose of it for us is that it is understandable, not that it is really pretty 14:53:18 irl I used it on a paper... worked nicely with notebook 14:53:25 but you can have a subtle gray, dots, whatever 14:53:42 we can try some things out 14:53:46 (: 14:53:50 thanks for jumping irl! 14:54:06 (: 14:54:21 okey, almost an hour -- anything else people? 14:55:17 pari: we have a meeting this week to organize our india travel! if you happen to be there next year let us know :) 14:55:40 antonela: yes!!!! GUs pinged me about that! 14:55:49 ah awesome, see you there so :) 14:56:02 I will be here in India next year!. The meeting is tomorrow so will be there too! 14:56:21 great, nyinz and pari will be making troubles again :) 14:56:38 haha :D 14:56:39 you know it 14:56:58 :) 14:57:10 oki, lets call it, are we groot? 14:58:06 🙌 14:58:56 thanks people! 14:58:59 #endmeeting