19:00:50 #startmeeting tor-browser 11/26 19:00:50 Meeting started Mon Nov 26 19:00:50 2018 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:55 alright 19:00:59 let's get started 19:00:59 hi 19:01:05 hi 19:01:20 hi 19:01:25 hi hi 19:01:30 hey 19:01:48 O/ 19:02:02 bobble-head antonela :) 19:02:07 ello 19:02:07 haha fail 19:02:07 :) 19:04:57 ookay, let's look over the status updates 19:07:19 sysrqb: should we sync some time this week for the sandboxing stuff? 19:07:32 i wished we had more time before the all hands meeting but here we are 19:08:00 GeKo: yes, i'd like that 19:08:22 plus anyone else 19:08:36 yeah same 19:08:42 i need to re-read the emails and remember what we talked about 19:08:48 yeah 19:08:58 so, given that we are struggling to get the alpha releaes out 19:09:02 first 19:09:16 i guess we could do some time on friday? 19:09:50 that should be good 19:10:03 i told tjr i'd email Moz peopee by eod on friday 19:10:09 *people 19:10:15 good 19:10:45 so i guess something like 1900 UTC? 19:10:57 i'll send an email to tbb-dev 19:11:02 that'll work for me 19:11:05 so anyone can join who is interested 19:11:10 great, yep 19:11:20 thanks 19:11:59 okay, it seems we are done with discussing status updates? 19:12:00 GeKo: what is meeting about? 19:12:28 it's about our strategy to improve tor browser sandboxing on our different platforms 19:12:47 independent from the content sandboxing mozilla provides 19:12:57 I see, thanks 19:13:04 i think pili had a question about #25702 19:13:06 we eventually want to get funding for that as it is a huge topic 19:13:12 but it looks like anto just answered it 19:13:16 yeah 19:13:38 yup, but I think the answer is also I need to create a ticket for it :) 19:13:51 please do 19:14:06 yes, i have assets for tba folks 19:14:15 ii tihnk @5702 could've been parent, with desktop and andrid children 19:14:21 *android 19:14:27 yep 19:14:39 yup, I just couldn't see any android children :) 19:14:44 but at this point, i think a child for TBA makes sense 19:14:48 yeah :) 19:14:59 for a good reason 19:15:18 if it's not too much of a pain to get android build's going I'd be happy to grab that as part of #25702 19:15:26 or as a child or whatever 19:16:04 ok, let me just create a ticket quickly just so we don't forget 19:16:35 re the question when we release the new icons 19:16:49 yes, 19:16:50 i don't have a string opinion 19:17:02 we could leave it riding the 8.5 train 19:17:13 testing the alpha and nightly versions 19:17:17 i like to save it for 8.5 :) 19:17:40 you mean all icons once we switch to 8.5 stable? 19:18:02 nono, lets test alpha and nightly 19:18:21 okay, yeah, that's what i thought 19:18:33 so review and merge to alpha as usual and no backport 19:18:38 wfm 19:18:48 cool 19:19:09 we could sync with comms for the alpha release once the new icons got in 19:19:16 we should sync with stephw at some point 19:19:17 yes 19:19:20 not sure if that's worthwhile 19:19:30 but we could bring this up at this week's release meeting 19:19:35 exactly 19:19:48 pili, could we have stephw on wednesday too? 19:20:44 yup, I'll invite her 19:20:49 super, thanks! 19:21:38 okay, discussion time 19:21:49 let's start with our release situation 19:22:07 we did not get our releases out last week, so let's try as soon as possible this week 19:22:32 the remaining blocker i am aware of is the orbot integration 19:22:44 i am basically done reviewing all patches 19:22:54 and it looks mostly good 19:23:06 we "just" need to assmeble the final pieces and make them stick 19:23:29 GeKo: I'll start testing today 19:23:38 then there is the possible issue that an update does not use our included torbutton bu the addon we shipped so far 19:23:47 which is quite concerning 19:23:54 pospeselr: i don't personally know how difficult it'll be, so maybe igt0, sisbell, or I should look at it first 19:23:56 sysrqb will look into that 19:23:57 before you waste too uch time on it 19:24:28 okay! 19:24:45 so apart from those two things anything else that needs to get in? 19:25:08 #26843 would be swell but that requires anybody other than me reviewing and testing it 19:25:30 i think it works although i wrote the patch without the orbot integration 19:25:41 but that should just work, right? :) 19:26:29 sisbell: thanks. yeah, 27977 is the single-most important bug right now 19:27:18 okay, not much need for discussion, great 19:28:57 let's talk about arthur's stuff then 19:29:33 looking at the list the most important job is the continuing uplift coordination 19:29:48 who would be up for that role? 19:30:53 i guess the plan would be to talk to arthur about all the things this entails (or which arthur did) 19:30:54 what all doe sthat involve? coordinating with mozilla people and updating/modifying patches for uplift? 19:30:59 and then takit from there 19:31:11 pospeselr: yes, pretty much that 19:31:30 i can have a go at it 19:31:40 but there is pretty much room on how one wants to fill that role 19:32:03 great, thanks, richard! 19:32:26 i'll ping arthur and we can get it started and adjust later on 19:32:41 yup added a 'bug arthur about patch uplift' to my todo list :p 19:32:45 haha 19:33:06 pospeselr: okay, even better. could you start an email thing and cc me 19:33:12 so we have some process on record 19:33:19 and start from that one 19:33:22 can do! 19:33:48 looking at the remaining items i think we can pick them up ad hoc 19:34:19 we should not move into the trap to pick up everything right now given that we have one less in our team 19:34:39 i have some ideas about the rebase but need to think a bit more about it 19:35:14 any suggestions? objections? 19:35:50 none from me right now 19:36:27 we can move on to the next topic while folks keep thinking about it i guess 19:36:45 there are two meetings this wwek that are slightly related i think 19:37:06 so, i guess feel free to join them. i won't have time for both 19:37:36 about snowflake: is a kickoff, i'm not sure what is needed on TB side, so if any tb folk can show up could be useful 19:37:49 pili: a gentle reminder for the android build part for snowflake that the network-team still thinks they need to do 19:38:07 yup, I spoke to gaba about it :) 19:38:20 I can bring it up again at the meeting 19:38:29 yup, sounds good 19:38:33 (or remind her about it if I can't make it :D) 19:38:51 11pm utc is quite rough for me :) 19:38:58 yup, me too ;) 19:39:27 okay, all hands 19:39:42 what do we need to discuss? 19:39:56 is there stuff we still want to coordinate? 19:42:36 * antonela looks at the gdoc 19:42:51 okay. it seems the folks going there have everything sorted out? 19:42:54 great 19:43:08 who all is going this time around? 19:43:09 we have date and time now 19:43:18 pili and i were wondering whether it would be useful to show up remote to some sessions? 19:43:42 if that's the case let us know i guess 19:43:53 yes, would be 19:44:16 not sure about timezones but i can stream my computer if is needed 19:44:38 sounds good, I imagine it will be tricky, but we can try :) 19:45:16 sandboxing, ux/ui and "Synergy of Anti-tracking and Tor Technology" are the tb related ones i think 19:45:42 okay 19:45:46 are there any questions we should try and discovery answers to for people who won't be going? 19:46:34 mozilla's mobile roadmap 19:46:39 (if anyone thinks of something, they should let us know) 19:46:44 but i guess you have this covered already 19:47:21 then i still think it's worthwhile figuring out our options for extension inclusion into tor browser for esr68 19:47:34 ah, yeah, that's on my list too :) 19:47:59 which one :) 19:49:20 (i hope "both" is the answer ;) ) 19:49:49 i guess that's it for today? 19:49:57 or do we have anything else to discussion? 19:50:25 *discuss 19:50:27 (mobile was already on my list, but we can add the extensions question, too :)) 19:50:56 thx 19:51:30 okay, i am calling then. thanks for coming and happy release-preparing for this week :) *baf* 19:51:35 #endmeeting