13:58:40 <antonela> #startmeeting ux team 13:58:40 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Nov 13 13:58:40 2018 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:58:40 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:58:43 <antonela> hello people! 13:58:46 <duncan__> hi there! 13:58:55 <antonela> another week, another ux meeting 13:59:01 <antonela> hey hello duncan__ 13:59:13 <antonela> glad you make it :) 13:59:32 <duncan__> thanks for the invite! 13:59:44 <antonela> lets start with updates and reviewing our roadmap as always 13:59:54 <antonela> the pad for this meeting is here https://storm.torproject.org/shared/N5y4dIoKk4gv2HvSB4J7x_L71lkmgKGEC69iwcBfUZg 14:00:11 <nyinz> hi! 14:00:20 <antonela> hi nyinz!! 14:00:52 <antonela> we have a packed room today :) 14:01:14 <antonela> lets wait a few minutes for people to update the pad and then we can start 14:02:14 <pili> Hi 14:02:27 <duncan___> (still here, don’t worry) 14:02:35 <antonela> haha 14:02:41 <antonela> hello pili! 14:03:25 <antonela> like usual, if you have an item you would like to discuss, you can add it to the agenda section 14:03:30 <pili> I’m on my way back home, will be in front of a computer in 5 minutes :) 14:03:39 <antonela> pili ok 14:04:09 <antonela> ok, lets start! 14:04:58 <antonela> elioqoshi i saw your message in the ux list, thanks for sharing it! I'm asking about dates because i have it in our roadmaps for December, is that right? 14:05:49 <antonela> i have a few notes to leave at the prototype, will do that this week 14:06:03 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> For the measurements pages themselves, yes that's right 14:06:19 <antonela> elioqoshi do you want to explain what is your objective with this review? what you are doing and what is the aim with this redesign? 14:06:20 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Just added to the Pad 14:07:03 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Sure! We are basically trying to consolidate the Experience users and contributors will have with OONI Probe and Explorer 14:08:29 <antonela> yes, that is great 14:08:39 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> While the audiences might be different, we want to make it both easy to access measurements for newcomers, but also offer power users the tools to get what they need 14:09:54 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> So nesting more advanced information and having a more accessible high level overview at the top 14:10:05 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> That was the philosophy followed 14:10:45 <antonela> exactly, the same approach we tried to carry on the Probe app 14:10:58 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Also setting parallels with design patterns in the mobile app, but having the different audience in mind 14:11:44 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> So we generally have a bit more space to offer advanced features without overexplaining them 14:12:36 <antonela> i think is smart to approach the top section as a "first glance view" and then when user start to scroll, advanced users can find more advanced measurements 14:13:03 <antonela> i like the way you are quoting numbers, like "83% of measurement testers can stream 1080p (Full HD) video without preloading" 14:13:12 <antonela> we should make it shareable at the www :) 14:13:50 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> So that's the Country Page right? Yeah, that's something we will tackle right after the Measurement pages which are more of a priority right now 14:14:01 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> The Measurement pages are in the bottom 14:14:30 <antonela> yes, i know, but is important to understand how the entire flow is 14:14:55 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Ah yeah, we had that specifically in mind there as well 14:15:08 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> We are not happy with the country page yet but more to that later 14:15:29 <antonela> i'll leave comments there this week and if you are ok, we can discuss about the most controversial ones next week here :) 14:17:10 <antonela> emmapeel: any update on TBA (tor browser for android) localization? 14:17:38 <emmapeel> i talked with pili about it she said she will try to sneak it on the meetings etc 14:17:47 <pili> :D 14:18:14 <emmapeel> no ther news unfrtunately :S 14:18:19 <antonela> cool, i saw some intents on irc this week haha this is why im asking 14:18:20 <pili> yeah, I mentioned it to GeKo and he's been looking into it, hoping emmapeel will be able to move forward with it soon :) 14:18:30 <antonela> super, thanks pili! 14:18:52 <pili> the problem is most people are busy with actually getting stuff with TBA to work :/ 14:19:12 <antonela> yep i know 14:20:05 <antonela> nyinz: did you have a chance to review the community team september issues report? 14:20:33 <antonela> emmapeel: about inviting sajolida, YES! I'll email him directly :) 14:20:50 <antonela> hiro: you around? 14:21:00 <nyinz> yes i did 14:21:13 <emmapeel> yeah antonela i thought maybe he wants to come some day.. maybe not to lurk every week because is not an irc person but maybe one day or something 14:21:44 <antonela> nyinz great! anything relevant for us? 14:22:35 <nyinz> yes sure. i will start with some from cybelles report then state the ones for september (collected by mags) 14:22:56 <antonela> cool 14:23:14 <antonela> duncan ___ : once we finish updates and discussions, if you want to, you can introduce your self 14:23:27 <nyinz> -what the benefits of Tor are 14:23:28 <nyinz> -Running Tor with VPN 14:23:28 <nyinz> -What devices can be used with Tor? For example on can an iPad be used? 14:23:29 <nyinz> -Use Tor Daily or in specific situations? How should people be using Tor 14:23:30 <duncan___> sure thing :) 14:23:31 <nyinz> -What to do when its blocked 14:23:33 <nyinz> -Share experiences and what to do scenarios…. 14:24:15 <nyinz> Relevant to Gus and the community team...user want explanations on the following: -what the benefits of Tor are 14:24:23 <nyinz> Running Tor with VPN 14:24:31 <nyinz> What devices can be used with Tor? For example on can an iPad be used? 14:24:40 <nyinz> Use Tor Daily or in specific situations? How should people be using Tor 14:24:49 <nyinz> What to do when its blocked 14:25:00 <nyinz> Share experiences and what to do scenarios…. 14:25:30 <nyinz> This is a direct comment from the user advocate which i think is relevant: 14:25:32 <nyinz> -There's a lot of general confusion about when things break (expectedly) in the higher security slider settings perhaps we should consider how to make the effects of security levels clearer, or adding an FAQ entry? 14:25:49 <nyinz> *unexpectedly 14:26:16 <antonela> yes, the community team already have this feedback. I wanted to have a list of specific user problems related to the usage of the browser 14:26:34 <antonela> ohhh that one is useful for the work we are doing at #25658 14:26:52 <nyinz> check also https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h5ZbPHHwwCAtGCYE7sjXNtOX1C8WroxlCUf1MQimZqU/edit?usp=sharing 14:27:30 <nyinz> theres a summary at the end of user comments 14:27:32 <antonela> nyinz: that's great ! 14:28:16 <nyinz> i have identified sections like device//compatibility issues, anaonymity concerns and other features 14:28:27 <antonela> i'll review it, make comments and then we can file tickets in trac to approach those problems 14:28:44 <pili> nice one :) 14:28:44 <nyinz> I havent received the report for october 14:29:14 <antonela> we either, i think is about to come 14:29:19 <antonela> thanks nyinz! 14:29:33 <nyinz> ok then 14:30:22 <antonela> one thing i would like to highlight is that the poll for the Tor Browser icon ended and we have a winner! https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/25702#comment:8 14:31:13 <antonela> we talked about it yesterday during the tbb meeting and pospeselr will work on that implementation 14:32:48 <antonela> duncan___ you are up! 14:33:13 <duncan___> hello everyone! 👋 14:33:17 <duncan___> these proposed icons are really nice btw 14:33:23 <antonela> :) 14:33:51 <duncan___> I’m Duncan, I run a tiny research and design studio based in Edinburgh, Scotland 14:34:45 <duncan___> I set up the studio a couple of years ago to provide real design research and strategy to public, private and non-profit orgs, since most of the research these orgs were conducting was more marketing-led and not user-needs 14:35:29 <duncan___> I mostly do digital and service design, but about 90% of my work’s web-based 14:35:35 <hiro> hey sorry 14:35:44 <hiro> I was here but confused with the tame 14:35:48 <hiro> let me read back 14:35:54 <hiro> s/tame/time 14:36:13 <antonela> duncan___ that is great! thanks for joining us -- we have a lot of different projects running right now at the ux team 14:36:28 <ggus> hi! 14:36:57 <antonela> to be short with the big picture, one is our products Tor Browser for desktop and Tor Browser for Android 14:37:01 <duncan___> for sure! I’ve been trying to catch up on recent projects in trac for an ideo for what you do 14:37:18 <antonela> and the other big project is our new website 14:37:57 <duncan___> Ah yeah, Sue mentioned that 14:38:04 <duncan___> exciting 14:38:47 <antonela> then we support other sister projects like OONI and needs from the communication team, needs from the networking team and all what people needs related with ux, ui and design 14:39:03 <antonela> hey ggus! 14:39:18 <antonela> hiro no worries 14:41:39 <antonela> ggus: do you have something for us? I know we owe you the ux research we are going to run in brasil and arg 14:42:25 <antonela> duncan___ if you find something that you would like to put your hands on, just ping me I can give you some background on it 14:42:55 <duncan___> oh sure thing 14:43:15 <duncan___> I’ll maybe bombard you with questions about your processes before doing so, if that’s okay? 14:43:17 <ggus> antonela: yes, so, we have a good (bad) moment in brasil for digital security. and it's going to happen some cryptoparties very soon. do you want me to run some tests? 14:43:20 <duncan___> can pick up after the meeting or via email 14:43:32 <antonela> duncan___ yes sure, here or offline both works 14:43:44 <duncan___> great, ta ^_^ 14:44:30 <antonela> ggus yes! we want -- nyinz could we work on that list this week? we need to define what we are going to test in brasil and how considering that ggus is alone 14:44:49 <antonela> ggus: maybe i can join you on some of them, when you have a calendar, can you share with me? 14:45:59 <ggus> antonela: i have two activities confirmed, and waiting the confirmation for more 3 activities. 14:46:28 <antonela> ggus: awesome 14:46:32 <ggus> 12/01 - cryptoparty in sao paulo; 12/15 - cryptoparty in brasilia 14:47:01 <antonela> oh all cryptos, we could have advanced users too there 14:47:23 <ggus> actually, i think we will have a lot of newbies 14:47:28 <ggus> because of the political situation 14:47:38 <antonela> good observation, that is great for us too 14:48:09 <emmapeel> OMG https://tb-manual.torproject.org/ has the lektor already 14:48:16 <antonela> \o/ 14:48:33 <ggus> aleluia!! 14:49:01 <antonela> thanks traumschule, hiro, wayward, flexlibris, emmapeel, ggus for your effforts on it 14:49:03 <antonela> !!!! 14:49:29 <ggus> good bye mallard!! :D 14:49:39 <pili> +1 14:49:44 <emmapeel> ggusyeah that is nice, later today i am meeting with wayward to do some tbmanual content update 14:50:00 <antonela> emmapeel: cool! 14:50:09 <antonela> pili you are up! 14:50:33 <pili> I think I just wanted to mention the community portal kick off meeting this friday at 16:00 UTC 14:50:43 <pili> but let me check the pad :) 14:51:03 <flexlibris> wooooo 14:51:09 <pili> yup that was all :) 14:51:11 <antonela> yes and also we have tomorrow a bi-weekly release meeting 14:51:15 <antonela> hello flexlibris! 14:51:24 <flexlibris> yoo antonela 14:51:41 <pili> yup and the tor browser release meeting + security settings hijack ;) 14:51:47 <antonela> take over haha 14:51:51 <pili> :P 14:52:14 <antonela> cool! 14:52:22 <antonela> anything else? am i missing anything? 14:52:46 <pili> I'll probably have some questions about sponsor 9 stuff for the first report 14:53:00 <pili> but maybe we can keep it all to flexlibris' sponsor 9 meeting :) 14:53:01 * antonela checks what Copernico is eating because everything is so quiet here 14:53:12 <pili> :D I do the same with my kids :P 14:53:16 <antonela> ahhahah 14:53:24 <emmapeel> just wanted you to know that i bought my carbon monoxide alarm, so dont worry! 14:53:28 <hiro> ah yeah that was done last night :) 14:53:31 <emmapeel> :D 14:53:31 <hiro> mallard I mean 14:53:48 <antonela> pili, oki 14:53:50 <emmapeel> yeah hiro cool! 14:53:55 <antonela> hiro the hero 14:54:30 <flexlibris> pili i am sending an email about that now 14:54:42 <pili> perfect, thank you flexlibris !!! :) 14:54:57 <antonela> one friendly reminder ** please update your items on the roadmap storm -- thanks! ** 14:55:19 <antonela> super, thanks flexlibris 14:55:31 <antonela> are we good? is a wrap? 14:56:15 <hiro> i am groot 14:56:28 * antonela liked how gaba asked for nods yesterday at the network meeting lol 14:56:43 <pili> :D 14:56:45 <pili> +1 14:56:46 <antonela> hahaha 14:57:02 <antonela> thanks people! i'm happy to having you all here :) 14:57:06 <antonela> see you next week o/ 14:57:08 <ggus> thanks anto! 14:57:11 <ggus> o/ 14:57:26 <antonela> #endmeeting