14:29:38 #startmeeting metrics team 14:29:38 Meeting started Thu Oct 25 14:29:38 2018 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:30:26 hey! 14:30:30 hi! 14:30:52 hi! 14:31:08 2 topics. anything more? 14:31:26 not from me 14:31:34 1 more is just to mention this gspreadsheet 14:31:45 I'm only putting stuff there to organize myself a little on metrics 14:31:51 Just want to clarify that 14:32:04 It is not a decision I'm making for the team 14:32:09 added to the agenda. 14:32:17 no worries about changing things that need changing. :) 14:32:31 okay, let's start? 14:32:37 ok 14:32:44 * gaba wants to update wiki page on releases, ok? (gaba) 14:32:51 you mean the list on the team page? 14:32:57 yes, It is ok if I update the releases part of the page? 14:32:59 yes 14:33:04 move 2017 to historical 14:33:06 fine with me! 14:33:09 and add the 2018 ones 14:33:09 ok 14:33:22 I will do it in the next couple of days 14:33:36 this doesn't look like something we've been updating at all 14:33:40 i didn't even know it was there 14:33:45 since 2017 14:33:47 ok 14:34:02 I wonder what we're using it for. 14:34:12 I mean, it's more useful when it's up-to-date. 14:34:15 it would be good for people that may want to contribute 14:34:18 yes 14:34:39 i did plan to have releases actually in metrics-web 14:34:52 hmm? 14:34:53 but i never figured out where the data comes from 14:35:10 ah, listed on the website? 14:35:13 yeah 14:35:22 could be from git tags. 14:35:30 or from dist.tp.o subdirectories. 14:35:43 the announcement link is the tricky bit, i think there is a manual step 14:36:18 could be a table on a wiki page that we parse in a similar way as news. 14:36:23 yeah 14:36:26 none of these is trivial. 14:36:53 it doesn't need to be solved now, just this is a use case for the table 14:37:05 it's probably easier to keep it up to date as we go along than try to reconstruct it later 14:37:05 ok 14:37:24 okay, so gaba updates the team wiki page for now? 14:37:32 sounds good to me 14:37:35 good 14:37:39 great. thanks! 14:37:54 * Roadmap and Google Spreadsheet (gaba) 14:38:39 The retrospective usually is an exercise to see what works and what needs to change 14:38:48 We can have 1 specific session on roadmap 14:39:01 Not sure how you were thinking of merging both sessions 14:39:11 in the past we updated the roadmap at our first weekly meeting in a month. 14:39:18 we could do that, too. 14:39:26 and keep it out of the retrospective. 14:39:45 yes, we can do one thing and then the next one in the same meeting 14:40:28 the other thing is that at the network team we are adding sponsors to the tickets 14:40:37 it would be great to have that for the tickets that are related to metrics 14:40:40 add the sponsor 13 14:40:43 wait, which meeting is it that you'd like to use for the roadmap updating? 14:41:03 We can extend the one from retrospective but would be a 2nd thing to do in the same meeting 14:41:06 On nov 2nd 14:41:32 I'm also fine with moving it to the IRC meeting, if that works better. 14:41:34 up to you. 14:42:09 yes, the irc meeting on nov 2nd 14:42:12 sorry I was not clear. 14:42:28 wait, when is the video meeting? :) /me is confused 14:42:44 mmm, I'm also confused. 14:42:53 We are having a retrospective meeting on November 2nd in irc. 14:42:54 Right? 14:42:57 irc on nov 1, video on nov 2. 14:43:00 ohh 14:43:19 at least that was the plan. 14:43:30 irc on nov 1 is just the weekly meeting like today's. 14:43:33 that is what i have in my diary 14:43:38 ohh, ok 14:43:44 i didn't realize the one nov 2nd was video 14:43:48 much better! 14:43:53 also, nov 1 at 14:30 utc, nov 2 at 16:30 utc. 14:44:07 yes 14:44:12 great. sorry for the confusion 14:44:15 could be failure to communicate. 14:44:29 this has changed once or twice. 14:44:41 ok, understood now 14:44:46 okay, great! 14:44:46 i have 1630 in my diary which i think means that summer time is over then 14:44:50 or i put the wrong time 14:44:59 https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181102T1630 14:45:01 from the pad. 14:45:11 yeah, summer time is over 14:45:14 ok 14:45:16 yep. will be. 14:46:13 so, are going through the roadmap on the 1st or the 2nd? 14:46:25 2nd 14:46:35 okay! 14:46:37 or 1st if you prefer the 1st 14:46:39 ok 14:47:00 I don't feel strongly. let's try the 2nd and learn how it goes for the next time. 14:47:07 ok 14:47:21 so, regarding sponsor tickets: 14:47:36 we should probably create tickets for most/all roadmap items. 14:47:50 ok 14:47:57 I guess the issue is that both irl and I know what we mean by these items, so the tickets aren't immediately useful to us. 14:48:13 but it's clear that they're useful to you and others who want to follow what is being done. 14:48:28 they can be useful for other people commenting on those issues and to know who is doing them 14:48:34 yes 14:48:42 I'll create or link tickets. 14:48:51 until next thursday. 14:49:34 thanks 14:49:38 okay. do you have any other questions on the roadmap? 14:50:03 nop 14:50:09 estimation would be nice to have too :) 14:50:14 but we can talk about that on the 2nd 14:50:19 estimation of what's done? 14:50:21 you are already doing that... 14:50:23 with M, L 14:50:28 how much time 14:50:33 for each issue 14:50:34 okay, yes. 14:50:51 do you need anything beyond those estimates there? 14:51:02 no 14:51:09 okay. 14:51:40 alright, moving on? 14:51:55 yes 14:51:56 ok 14:52:00 * Updating geoip files on Onionoo hosts (karsten) 14:52:10 this is related to the relay country mismatch thread. 14:52:29 win 23 14:52:32 irl, do you object if I just go update the geoip files on both onionoo instances, whenever there are new files available? 14:52:40 (sorry) 14:52:47 :) 14:53:08 i do not 14:53:21 okay, cool. it seems overkill to coordinate that once per month. 14:53:30 then I'll do that today and once per month. 14:53:32 but it should be some automated process 14:53:44 we'll have a service for this... :) 14:53:46 that you trigger manually, but the actual replacement is automated 14:53:55 or at least it's well documented protocol 14:54:13 wget 2 files, unzip them, move them into place, hope nothing breaks. 14:54:24 do you not have to restart onionoo? 14:54:39 no. you're just not supposed to do it in the middle of an hourly run. 14:54:49 so, step 0: check where the updater is. 14:54:53 ah ok 14:55:01 we should have a lockfile 14:55:15 we should have this service. 14:55:19 yes, ok 14:55:24 we will make a service 14:55:52 okay, cool! 14:55:58 btw did you see maxmind changed their mind? 14:56:03 yes! 14:56:06 the database will not be broken anymore 14:56:14 does that resolve our roadmap item? 14:56:17 no 14:56:21 or, make it lower prio? 14:56:33 lower priority 14:56:38 https://research.torproject.org/techreports/geoipdbcomp-2009-10-23.pdf 14:56:41 which is something. 14:56:42 we should do this again 14:56:51 "work left to do" 14:56:53 it was fun to do it. 14:57:15 okay. 14:57:38 anything else for today? 14:58:06 karsten: can i use your head to shoot lasers at code? 14:58:16 for the year end campaign? 14:58:38 my head is somewhat unclear what this means, but: maybe? :) 14:58:46 ah! 14:58:57 it will be one head among many? 14:59:01 yes 14:59:02 use it. 14:59:05 cool 14:59:16 nothing else from me (: 14:59:25 (this conversation was more useful with context.) 14:59:31 alright! 14:59:54 talk to you next week! thanks, irl and gaba! bye! 14:59:54 ok 14:59:58 thanks! 14:59:59 bye! 14:59:59 bye! 15:00:02 #endmeeting