16:59:02 #startmeeting weekly network team meeting, 4 Sep 16:59:02 Meeting started Tue Sep 4 16:59:02 2018 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:59:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:59:09 hello hello o/ 16:59:12 how's everybody doing today? 16:59:13 hello 16:59:24 good! :-) 16:59:39 woo! 17:01:21 11 days left till the freeze. Let's have a look at the roadmap (linked from the meeting pad at https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2018.1-keep ) and see if we're on track? 17:01:39 ack 17:01:52 mikeperry: what should we do with the wtf-pad items that are not gonna make it on time? 17:01:56 defer them? cross them out? 17:02:30 ahf: also what you think about #4700? you think it's possible? or no dice? 17:03:18 let me just see what has happened on that ticket since i went away 17:03:51 anything else there? 17:04:07 ok, nothing, do you know if mahrud is using it right now, asn? 17:04:25 nickm: just put a note for you in the pad about the big #20700 17:04:26 he had some changes to my WIP patch 17:04:37 ahf: i dont know 17:04:38 but i don't think i've seen those 17:04:40 we can ask him 17:04:47 we can send him an email after this mtng 17:04:53 ok, maybe we should ask him, if he is using it right now i think we can get it in before the deadline 17:04:58 and i think that would make them happy 17:05:15 there are some changes on our side we need to make anyway 17:05:24 i dont think mahrud was gonna do those 17:05:26 or maybe he would 17:05:26 if they still haven't found out a way that makes it easy to integrate then i think we should postpone it 17:05:36 yeah, we need to add some torrc options? 17:05:41 or is it something else you are thinking of? 17:05:46 yes i think that 17:05:50 yes, i agree 17:05:58 and some tests 17:06:07 and also we need to restrict it only to HS conns 17:06:11 yes 17:06:33 ok, let's email him to hear if he is using it right now and which version he ended with and if that is good for their purpose 17:06:45 they did a talk about this at defcon i think 17:07:12 really? ok 17:07:20 will send him email, either today after this or early tomorrow 17:07:24 asn: hrmm re wtf-pad, defer them to 0.3.6 17:07:27 will cc u 17:07:33 asn: cool, please CC me 17:07:35 thanks 17:07:40 for sure 17:09:37 mikeperry: ack 17:09:39 we ready to look at reviews? 17:09:48 i'm gonna postpone #25497 - it is not in tor.git, so it doesn't affect much, i'm just not gonna have time to look at it until after the deadline i think 17:10:04 what is the correct way to postpone something? 17:10:23 +1 on this question 17:10:27 how do we postpone correctly to 036? 17:10:28 move tickets to later milestone, mark as "deferred" on spreadsheet in notes column, and then... 17:10:40 I dunno; I don't maintain that spreadsheet directly 17:11:33 maybe cross it off under 0.3.5 , first making a copy of it under the correct milestone? 17:11:35 ok, i moved it down to 036 merge window opens 17:11:37 and crossed it off 17:11:40 there's both ticket and spreadsheet stuff that needs to change in that case right? 17:12:16 right 17:14:30 mikeperry: wanna try deferring the wtf-pad stuff? 17:15:07 another roadmap comment: i think doing #27100 will have significant UX benefits even if we don't get detailed PT status messages from the PT itself 17:15:19 everybody okay with the review plans? 17:16:05 catalyst: makes sense 17:16:36 yeep 17:17:16 next regularly scheduled thing is our rotations. These are on a new schedule now, to try to approximate one-week-on, one-week-off 17:17:55 cool 17:18:20 it's only approximate, because 7 people / 4 rotations < 2 17:18:56 time to hire one more, then hire 4 more 17:19:33 better get more funding first :) 17:19:58 asn: ugh my google sheets UI just switched to something in cyrillic 17:20:26 mikeperry: put that at the end of the URL: "?hl=en" 17:20:28 mikeperry: will change your life 17:22:07 anybody need to switch rotations this week? We have catalyst on community, ahf on triage, mikeperry on meeting schedules, and teor on ci 17:23:04 wait what is the meeting schedules role again? does anyone want any addtl meetings? 17:23:19 i'm good 17:23:21 it's for making sure that design meetings happen 17:23:23 I could do a congestion control one. but maybe waiting until 0.3.5 settles down is a better idea 17:23:37 ok. i'll ask teor what they think about ci tonight when they're online 17:25:18 you mean about their rotation or their questions in the pad? 17:26:37 the rotation 17:26:56 catalyst: you okay with community guide this week, or too much distraction? 17:28:04 maybe i could use a little backup 17:28:43 anybody besides me able to do backup community this week? 17:28:45 i can help 17:28:55 asn: thank you! 17:29:26 I think that moves us on to discussion? 17:30:10 Teor has some questions about what we do for volunteer code review; I have a related question about whether I should spend time reviewing unassigned stuff, or what. I find myself with a little unallocated time, that will fill up fast... 17:30:16 ... and I can probably do some stuff with it... 17:30:19 if needed 17:31:13 anything I ought to be doing that's more urgent? 17:31:13 nickm: about review, saw my comment on 20700 ? 17:31:24 i agree with most of teor's suggestions about reviewing code from volunteers 17:31:31 dgoulet: you and asn already reviewed it, right? 17:31:51 nickm: yes and also involved in design over time with haxxpop 17:32:03 ok, so at this point I think it's on to me to review it 17:32:11 no other way about it. 17:32:24 does it have fixup commits? if so maybe make me a squashed copy first? 17:32:35 nickm: no it is brand new rebased on a fairly recent master 17:32:41 great 17:33:02 it is rather large so I'll be reactive on reviews and asn and haxxpop never far away :) 17:33:09 ok; I'll try to start soon 17:34:00 I like teor's ideas, and I'm intrigued by getting people to review each other's code, but we should only do that with experienced folks, and we should ask first. 17:34:38 yes i will also be around to act on any client aut hreviews asap 17:34:44 *client auth reviews 17:35:11 i think we discussed last week that maybe we could remind authors of nontrivial patches to have github PRs with passing CI as part of a rotation. 17:36:20 ahf: make sure you see catalyst's note for you 17:36:30 i think that falls under community guide, but we can decide otherwise 17:36:35 looking 17:36:50 Everybody -- let's take a while to look through all the updates, and see if we want to discuss anything else? 17:37:07 related to that, appveyor is currently broken, so all recent PRs are also broken wrt appveyor 17:37:58 catalyst: ah, very nice! i'm gonna continue you the error reporting from running PT's 17:38:05 yah :/ 17:38:38 i havent looked at all the needs_review tickets and whether they all have fresh PRS, 17:38:40 ahf: thanks! (assuming you mean "continue working on"?) 17:38:50 catalyst: ah, yes! hehe, sorry 17:38:51 if a ticket you are reviewing does not have a fresh PR, please let me know and I will make one for you 17:38:56 ahf: other quick question -- will you have time to look at my nss_tls revisions today? I'd love to merge at some point soon. 17:39:15 nickm: yes, i hadn't seen you had made an update. i'm gonna look at them right after this meeting before i go for a walk 17:39:23 thank you! 17:39:33 I'll stick around at least till you're done there 17:39:58 it shouldn't take that long. did the RSA changes already land? or will you land it all together? 17:40:20 mikeperry: do you want to plan a time to meet later this week about the sidechannels whitepaper? 17:40:26 ahf: planning to land it all together 17:40:46 cool! 17:40:58 nickm: do you just want to discuss on #tor-dev with me at some point or call a meeting with all of the congestion control people? 17:41:31 I'd like to maybe do just us after I do the set of revisions you asked for, to think about where we're going from here 17:41:41 if you think that would be helpful 17:44:23 nickm: yeah that sounds good 17:44:40 okay. thu/fri maybe? 17:45:43 ok. I should be around both days 17:45:46 (also, anything else to plan/discuss today? if not, we might be done early) 17:47:24 mikeperry: in that case I'll try to get the rvisions done by tomorrow 17:48:23 hearing no other topics... 17:48:31 thx for meeting :) 17:48:33 it sounds like we're done with our stuff 17:48:36 thanks to everybody! 17:48:37 see you all soon 17:49:03 o/ 17:49:12 happy hacking! Also, I'm running out of stuff that I promised to do myself, so everyone please feel free to use me as a resource as you get stuff done. 17:49:26 #endmeeting