18:05:07 #startmeeting 18:05:07 Meeting started Mon Jul 16 18:05:07 2018 UTC. The chair is GeKo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:05:12 hi! 18:05:26 the pad url is as usual: https://storm.torproject.org/shared/tHoN4Ii7rLSjPE0OP4gydX4cMGadsXmRQNc-6lwru0N 18:06:02 GeKo: !! 18:06:04 please mark your items bold if you want to talk about it 18:06:07 yes! 18:06:25 hm, is boklm already gone? 18:07:02 i think so, his section was already filled in around 9 am this morning 18:07:31 okay, that's unfortunate but here we are 18:08:02 tjr: if you are around, then you are up 18:08:37 I am 18:08:51 tjr: could this be related to the specific machine you are building? 18:09:00 Great progress on mingw build with clang as noted; but this ulimit thing has me blocked 18:09:11 i think i might need to edit the file in the container template or something? 18:09:54 sukhe: I presume that my build container is going to be identical to everyone else's 18:10:55 that's true 18:11:05 tjr: that's on the mozilla side of things? 18:11:39 or is that a tor-browser-build question? 18:11:49 my ulimit problem is tor-browser-build 18:12:18 i have not checked most of my mail let alone my bug mail 18:12:34 is there are comment describing the problem and the error you get? 18:12:52 i could look at it but i guess we'd need a boklm for that 18:13:06 I'll write it up and add it to the bug 18:13:23 thanks. 18:14:09 tjr: great stuff re ming-w64/clang. really exciting 18:14:14 *mingw-w64 18:14:39 + the fuzzyfox work 18:15:01 and, yes, i'd be happy to play with it in some tor browser nightly or alpha 18:15:40 yeah. finally we will have proper debug symbols as well! (sorry, that is what currently excites me given #26476) 18:16:26 agreed! 18:16:44 okay, i have just two things 18:17:21 the first is a reminder to use the "status:" means to communicate what you are working on 18:18:04 that's helpful to keep everyone up-to-date under the week 18:18:36 the other item: please ping me if something is urgent 18:18:50 i try to dig myself out of my backlog as fast as i can 18:19:15 but if something needs my attention immediately please let me know 18:20:01 pospeselr: you are up! 18:20:43 hey hi, nothing to really discuss, just wanted to bring some tickets that need review to y'alls attention 18:20:55 the #26456 patch is small and straight forward 18:21:05 the patch for #26450 is also small, but the approach feels dirty to me 18:21:11 so if any of you have any better ideas on that 18:21:15 hmm ok not 26450 18:21:31 #26540 18:21:45 that's all 18:22:10 i try to get to them this week 18:22:47 igt0: reading your update i remembered #26189 18:23:13 we don't need this one anymore (at least that's the current assumption) 18:24:03 i wonder if you would think it worthwhile testing this on a mobile context 18:24:27 yeah there is a fix in FF. However I think we need to investigate what is the impact of contentaccessible=yes in the chrome.manifest and the FF fix 18:24:28 and if that's true we could indeed make the code less complex and rip it out 18:24:37 okay 18:24:51 then let's probably keep it as-is 18:24:58 I will add a comment in the bug about it. 18:25:11 and investigate it later given that we are planning to get tba out asap 18:25:53 arthuredelstein: you are up 18:26:10 hi, just a dumb question. I frequently get disconnected and typing has a big lag on storm doc :P 18:26:14 is it just me? 18:26:30 no me too 18:26:35 not just you I think. I usually type it some place else and paste it there 18:26:38 i assumed it was my janky cafe wifi 18:28:08 so, should we try something else? 18:28:09 yeah, cutting and pasting is probably the best solution for me. 18:28:18 arthuredelstein: did you mean #14952 in your notes? 18:28:19 I don’t usualy get disconnected but it is definitely laggy. I do the compose elsewhere and copy/paste thing. 18:28:31 14592 doesn't seem to exist 18:28:33 etherpad on risup usually works much better for me. 18:28:39 mahrud: oops, sorry, yes 18:29:10 Great, I actually wanted to ask about that and see if I can help in anyway, though I can ask you offline 18:29:25 mahrud: Yes! I'm hoping to have a patch soon and it would be great if you can test it 18:29:54 Sounds good! 18:30:36 mahrud: thanks! 18:31:40 arthuredelstein: let's keep the etherpad idea in mind. if folks think we should migrate away from storm because it is too weird to use then that#s fine with me 18:31:56 at least in general 18:32:20 it seems not everyone on the team is here today, though, thus, we should wait a bit so everyone could have a say 18:32:46 GeKo: Yes, makes sense. Obviously I can cut and paste in the meantime 18:34:33 okay, sukhe: i answered your item 18:34:48 let me know if you need something else/or want to do something else 18:35:05 GeKo: thanks 18:35:09 what's the state of #12968? 18:36:27 the same as in comment:25. but I picked up a new strategy, I am looking at projects which enable this and trying to see what flags are they using and then trying to build using those 18:36:36 not much success so far 18:37:23 okay. 18:38:21 isabela: i wonder if your request maps to one of our discussion items? 18:38:28 maybe the github thing? 18:38:31 ahh 18:38:34 i forgot that one! 18:38:36 ;) 18:38:57 hah, so you have another request? go for it! 18:39:00 the launch date for tba was something i wanted to check in what ppl are thinking 18:39:59 (the sponsor8 one is just a reminder :) 18:40:17 igt0: sysrqb -> how you are feeling about picking a release date? 18:40:38 where are we from the ux side? 18:40:41 antonela: ^ 18:41:07 we dont need to have a date date just an estimation 18:42:18 isabela: i have not synced with sysrqb or igt0 let alone with antonela 18:42:33 so, it's a bit hard right now but before i left for vacation 18:42:40 we thought end of july would be doable 18:42:41 i updated #25696 about onboarding 18:43:10 k 18:43:16 thanks sysrqb for the .apk! 18:43:25 we can catch up on this later then 18:43:39 yes, or we can get the wednesday's meeting back :) 18:44:17 isabela: some sync this week might be useful 18:44:38 i am free most of the time i think 18:44:48 ok 18:45:05 will follow up on the email thread 18:45:21 thx 18:45:45 super, thanks 18:46:09 I would *guess* that we need more 3 weeks for the alpha, most of the things are working(i am not sure about the UX stuff :/), we just need to start to integrate/reviewing them(and the whole process can take some time). 18:47:18 we'll see :) 18:47:42 cool~ 18:47:43 ! 18:48:12 discussion then: 18:48:54 Quick fyi: I'll be giving a 20 minute talk at defcon in ~4 weeks about the onion alt-svc's 18:49:03 so, yes, according to what i read on #tor-dev the sandboxing meeting will be at 1500 UTC in this cahnnel on 7/24 18:49:22 mahrud: great! is there anything you'd need from us? 18:49:46 mahrud: cool! 18:50:22 I think arthuredelstein's work on 14952 and #24553is the main thing 18:50:39 mostly because otherwise people would have to go to about:config to test it, and that's not a great idea 18:51:01 i think that's doable in the remaining 3-4 weeks 18:51:15 (at least that's my impression i got from arthur working on this) 18:51:43 yes, I think so. 18:51:50 Are we planning an alpha release before then? 18:52:06 i'd say "yes" 18:52:31 That would be great actually, so I can tell people to go test it during the talk 18:53:03 arthuredelstein: i thought about having one end of july/begin of august 18:53:31 I'll also start writing a blog post about it soon which I'll send it to stephw 18:53:38 basically in the week after your vacation 18:53:53 looks like defcon is aug 9-12 18:54:20 30/7-8/1 was my plan 18:55:09 mahrud: if things with the alpha are not working out we can ship it in nightlies at least 18:55:16 so you have some bundles folks can download 18:56:29 okay, so, the second item on the discussion list is for thinking about possible session ideas for the dev meeting in mexico 18:56:42 that's for the open days 18:57:00 i wanted to mention it already now to keep everyone thinking about it 18:57:25 so that we have something we can commit to when that deadline is approaching 18:57:49 i'll bring this up in meetings when we get closer to the dev meeting 18:58:08 but if anyone already has ideas, please say so and/or add it to the pad 18:58:50 my last item is the thread isabela started on tbb-dev about using github in some capacity 18:59:42 it seems we are running out of time for today 19:00:00 so, please reply to that thread if you have suggestions 19:00:11 ok 19:00:19 i can bring this up next week again for an actual discussion during the meeting if that's needed 19:00:50 i will bug you all on that too :P 19:00:55 let’s not start doing anything with github until after we ship 8.0 :) 19:01:08 :) 19:01:11 (unless it is really important somehow) 19:01:47 mcs: agreed! 19:01:56 and good point 19:02:13 okay, do we have anything else for today? 19:03:21 thanks everyone then *baf* 19:03:24 #endmeeting