16:58:55 #startmeeting Weekly network team meeting, 9 July 2018 16:58:55 Meeting started Mon Jul 9 16:58:55 2018 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:58:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:58:58 Hi everybody! 16:59:00 hello 16:59:01 hello 16:59:01 hi 16:59:05 hi 16:59:13 https://pad.riseup.net/p/zZRGXnL2rlBM is this week's pad 16:59:40 * Samdney lurks ... 17:00:18 ! 17:00:23 hi isabela ! 17:00:34 buenas buenas 17:00:57 Let's start with the roadmap. 17:02:17 ack 17:02:34 Is everybody working on something on the roadmap? Is anybody looking at the roadmap and going ack ack I can't do that? 17:02:54 ack how? 17:02:55 I'm good on my side 17:03:06 nickm: btw, #26481 imo should be Checked on the roadmap 17:03:11 "ack ack" as in a sound you make when you are upset and confused 17:03:21 im good 17:03:23 ah 17:03:24 dgoulet: I want to do the subtickets first, or I'll forget it isn't done 17:03:37 nickm: ack 17:03:42 :) 17:03:42 i'm good. plan is to have the memory profile stuff ready in the early half of the week, second half go back to PT work 17:04:59 Anybody need me to pay more attention to any roadmap item? If so just let me know 17:05:07 Next thing is reviewer assignments 17:05:33 looks pretty clean -- anything on that list we need to trade around? 17:07:28 * ahf is good 17:09:41 okay; I just regenerated the rotations 17:10:31 Oops. We were switching out "coverity" for "make design meetings happen". Or were we? 17:10:49 and then coverity to CI i think 17:10:54 In any case, the current people on rotations are asn (bugs), catalyst (community), dgoulet (tbd), mikeperry (CI) 17:11:10 yeah i think coverity to CI was what we decided but i forget what we replaced it with 17:11:48 i think design meetings is right 17:11:52 from what i remember 17:12:01 ok, re-running 17:12:09 ack on bugs 17:12:16 oh. when does teor start? 17:12:22 started the 3rd 17:12:29 i think that date changed a bit 17:12:35 Yea 17:12:35 oh, ok 17:12:40 no idea then 17:12:48 btw nickm we coordinated with ahf and teor. we figured out a date for the euroaustralian team to be 1000UTC on thursdays. 17:12:55 for the meeting i mean 17:13:12 and the meetings were on-demand, no? 17:13:24 or should i put it in my calendar with an alert? 17:13:46 ahf: i think we decided to do it every week. but let's touch base with teor again on that. 17:13:55 ok! 17:14:09 IMO that decision is totally up to the euroaustralians 17:14:22 okay, I've updated the rotations page again 17:14:23 cool 17:14:32 we'll talk with teor (and haxxpop) 17:14:44 cool 17:14:46 The role of the "design meetings" person is to make sure that pending design meetings get scheduled and happen. 17:15:16 I think teor starts no later than 7/23, so I think this schedule will work 17:15:24 do we want to have a fixed spot where this is happening? 17:15:35 like, when the design meetings take place 17:15:37 please feel free to swap with others if the upcoming days won't work for you because of vacations or whatever :) 17:15:53 * isabela steps out for 5min 17:16:49 asn: Do you have any community handoff for catalyst ? 17:17:09 nope nothing outstanding 17:17:28 had some discussions with cf people and some people in #tor-dev 17:17:36 but nothing that should be passed 17:18:04 also some gsoc stuff 17:19:01 Should we look at 035-roadmap-proposed tickets this week, or consider them as part of the 035 triage? 17:19:22 for our triage status, see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/NetworkTeam/TicketTriage/035 17:20:06 yes for the -proposed 17:20:44 yes which? 17:20:51 that is yes to look at them 17:20:57 ok 17:21:16 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=merge_ready&status=needs_information&status=needs_review&status=needs_revision&status=new&status=reopened&keywords=~035-roadmap-proposed&max=200&col=id&col=summary&col=milestone&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&order=priority 17:21:21 There are 20 of them 17:21:31 some would be great to have but ouf the timeline... :S 17:21:38 I think some of these might make it into 035 on other categories ... 17:21:59 * isabela back 17:22:05 should we debate now? 17:22:47 well, first thing is that if any of these belong because of any other triage rule (fast-fix, 035-must, 035-roadmap-subticket) then they're an easy choice 17:22:49 is the debate about whether we want them now or postpone them? 17:23:26 If they don't fall into any of those categories, we either add them to the roadmap as a toplevel item, or they don't get into 035 17:24:10 Does anybody want to nominate any of these as a toplevel roadmap item? :) 17:24:40 #25573 ... I don,t see that in 035 ... proposal, protover, basically a new cell 17:24:49 #4700 because it's almost there thanks to ahf 17:25:00 removing tor2web is a good one for Roadmap imo, shouldn't be too long to deal with 17:25:49 #25499 is already on the roadmap i think 17:25:50 ahf: how far are we from #4700 ? 17:26:16 less than a day of work i'd say 17:26:36 if we stay with the ascii protocol, do what mahrud want, then it's an hour or two work 17:26:39 so we can get that one in 17:26:40 perhaps a day and a half with unittests. 17:26:53 true 17:26:54 Hello. I just come in :O 17:27:00 ahf: I think #25499 is not quite on the roadmap, but it should be, since it's a sponsor8 item that has follow-on work for what we did from before 17:27:06 haxxpop: o/ 17:27:09 putting #26367 on the roadmap, I'll take ownership of it 17:27:19 haha dgoulet cares 17:27:23 very much... 17:27:24 huh, i think it has been on the roadmap then 17:27:44 ah, it was marked as done 17:27:50 ok, yes, that one needs to get back then 17:27:56 I've copied it to the current roadmap section 17:28:13 great 17:28:32 dgoulet: okay. Make sure to add it to the roadmap spreadsheet. 17:28:43 asn: this one #26369, two ways of doing it, is isolated request, we ignore desc cache (quick fix) or we have a desc. cache per SOCKS request... the later is longer 17:28:44 some other stuff we could/should add to 035 is a start of the 2-guard work with mike. 17:28:45 nickm: it is tehre yes 17:28:50 but we need to speak with mike about that. 17:29:00 ahf: okay. Please add it to the roadmap spreadsheet, and set 035-roadmap-master on it? (#4900) 17:29:06 err, #4700 17:29:23 do we want to pull in anything else right now? 17:29:35 not from me 17:29:36 ack 17:29:45 cool 17:29:46 (i could remove some stuff) 17:29:47 #26168 depends on how hard we want this... 17:29:55 dgoulet: I don't feel that's actually worth doing 17:29:58 but else I'm ok for the rest to be deferred on my side 17:30:18 (seems like a lot of effort for very small payoff) 17:30:25 yah 17:30:36 also the #26627 bugfix should get in as fast-fix 035-must 17:30:36 two items from me on announcements: 17:30:41 this would be nice but I just don't see us having the time: #25573 17:30:44 asn: who will do it? 17:30:48 teor and me 17:30:50 nickm: you want 034-roadmap-proposed removed as well? 17:30:51 we already started 17:30:55 ahf: yea 17:30:56 half of the patch is in 17:30:59 ahf: yeah 17:31:16 cool 17:31:18 asn: ok, cool. just asking because fast-fix requires an owner who agrees to do it :) 17:31:45 yes. teor is on it, and it's not much work left. 17:31:47 asn: i'm putting you as second person on #4700 17:31:51 ahf: yes lz 17:31:51 plz 17:32:05 three items in "Announcements" this week: 17:32:06 nickm: i just didnt think it's roadmap item because it's a bugfix 17:32:16 asn: it doesn't have to be a roadmap item, no 17:32:27 035-must and fast-fix both circumvent the roadmap 17:32:34 per our triaging process 17:32:45 ok will add those tags to the ticket. it's missing them. 17:33:01 announcement 1: let me know asap if I shouldn't release the stuff in https://people.torproject.org/~nickm/volatile/src/ :) 17:33:15 nickm: you got my feedback already about this FYI ^ 17:34:12 2: On Wednesday I plan to remove all the items from the 035 milestone that are not included by our rules. See the URL on the pad for some queries that will show you what will get removed. If there's something that shouldn't get removed, it should a) be on the roadmap, or b) be a fast-fix assigned to you, or c) be 035-must because it is security, crash, or regression :) 17:34:25 ok, #3700 added to roadmap 17:34:27 isabela has three things to remind us about: 17:34:29 argh, 4700 17:34:40 4700 is a hard number for both of us I guess 17:34:44 yes 17:35:19 For sponsor8 Q2, isabela, whose help do you need? I'm guessing me, ahf, catalyst. Anyone else? 17:36:11 isabela's announcements 2 and 3 are : she's working on our onion services full proposal, and 17:36:30 we should all make sure we're okay with the answers already sent to isabela's github usage survey 17:36:52 Discussion topics now: 17:37:10 Is it okay with evrybody if I say "0.3.5 is an LTS release, but only in certain configurations"? 17:37:14 nickm: yep :) thanks!! 17:37:37 cool, i'm gonna look at the s8 stuff tomorrow morning 17:37:38 nickm: sounds reasonable. what happens in other configurations? 17:37:42 nickm: hmmm 17:37:44 s8 reporting* 17:38:00 so I guess we have to flag some options "Experimental" or "" then... 17:38:02 Like, I think our Rust support is still immature enough that we shouldn't declare that the Rust part of 0.3.5 will be supported until 2022 17:38:05 make it obvious 17:39:05 makes sense. Should I make a list and we can look over it? 17:39:20 +1 17:39:43 we already have "directory authority" as a listed "unsupported configuration for LTS" 17:39:47 I think 17:40:44 yah it is last two version I believe max 17:41:54 I see other folks have left questions for me -- are there topics for general discussion left? :) 17:43:07 * dgoulet is good 17:43:12 thanks for the comment, nickm! 17:43:28 mikeperry, ahf, catalyst : asn has questions for you -- please make sure you see them :) 17:43:57 catalyst, asn: re #25502 i hope to have the first refactoring code up late this week 17:44:10 did dgoulet send answers on the github survey to our list? because i only saw teor's 17:44:17 ahf: cool 17:44:20 rebasing some of the code for the new structure 17:44:44 you might not have to rebase -- git can handle it when a file moves 17:45:03 ok, any more stuff for this week? 17:45:13 catalyst: yeah I think only sent it to Isa actually... but there is not much to see there, basically "tor.git" is what I need on Github so 17:45:26 yeah 17:45:42 haxxpop: see #tor-dev btw, I pinged you some minutes ago 17:46:09 hearing no items, I'll say thanks to everybody for swinging by and for hacking on Tor! I'll see you all online. :) 17:46:12 #endmeeting