15:58:54 #startmeeting community team meeting 15:58:54 Meeting started Mon Jul 9 15:58:54 2018 UTC. The chair is flexlibris. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:58:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:58:58 hello everyone! 15:59:07 let's start by welcoming our new translation coordinator, emmapeel! 15:59:22 I think some of you already know her from Tails and whatnot. I'm so glad you're here emmapeel 15:59:25 Hi emmapeel! Excited to have you! 15:59:28 hello :D 15:59:48 Hi! Welcome! 15:59:55 welcome :D 16:00:18 Hello 16:00:32 okay so here is our roadmap pad https://storm.torproject.org/shared/oyX738XT9SE9oz_hpbfAjAuTXO6m1krQRI09SFNgACt 16:00:47 let's do individual updates and I'll update the roadmap with completed or ongoing items 16:01:07 who has an update and wants to go first? 16:01:36 don't be shy 16:02:24 okay well then I'll just call on you :) 16:02:43 I can give an update, though brief 16:02:49 go ahead Phoul 16:03:45 Last week I continued working on the fallback dir mirror list, will be pushing another patch with new mirrors today. I also talked with more people from Barcelona hackerspaces about the PETS meetup, and have received more RSVPs from that crowd. A number of people also said they were planning to bring a friend from outside the hackerspace communities, so thats awesome. Other than that, last week was 16:03:51 moving for me, so I was off after Monday. 16:04:16 * dmr says "quietly": sorry for being late! I do have an update to add, in case you can add me to the stack flexlibris :) 16:04:25 dmr: no worries, you can go next bc no one else is in the stack 16:04:30 Phoul, thanks, I'm updating the pad with your progress 16:05:04 thanks for getting all that done even as you were moving and dealing with no wifi or power etc! 16:05:32 dmr: you can go ahead 16:05:35 * Samdney arrives ... 16:06:33 ok, I'm a few weeks behind in giving this update. I said 'hi' the week that I meant to, but then got distracted by other work atm 16:06:41 no worries 16:06:42 So here it is. It's at the end of this status email ("Other Tor things"): https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2018-June/001858.html 16:07:42 great to hear that you've been meeting so many people interested in Tor 16:07:54 what kinds of materials would be helpful to you? that we don't already have? 16:08:01 like, have you used the Tor handouts (that need an update)? 16:08:12 I should probably carry them around with me 16:08:26 we have 1-2 pages of those printed, for Cryptoparty events 16:08:45 uhm, stickers have been REALLY helpful, but I do have them - could use more, I suppose 16:08:55 LFP stickers might need a restock ;) 16:09:04 dmr: I need to restock my own LFP stickers lol 16:09:04 I can ping Jon re: Tor stickers 16:09:05 If you like 16:09:15 but you can always get more Tor stickers, as t0mmy notes 16:09:22 cool, good to know! 16:09:24 dmr: also, will you be at HOPE? I might have more LFP stickers there 16:09:37 we're not at anywhere close to a shortage of stickers, so I'll just make sure to do it in advance 16:09:43 okay rad 16:09:52 (but will you be at HOPE dmr?) 16:09:58 i have a few updates too. o/ 16:10:18 gman999, flexlibris: it's quite unlikely I'll be at HOPE, unless I swing last-minute ticket, lodging, and travel with friends 16:10:27 dmr: stephw has an extra ticket 16:10:27 not a definite 'no' yet, though 16:10:38 I do too but I think someone in my inbox just claimed it 16:11:01 in any case, just keep us posted about how well the materials are working for you and what could be changed 16:11:07 ok, I will let you know if I can swing it! (and reach out to stephw) 16:11:18 flexlibris: sounds good. I'll get a few handouts printed and see how they work out 16:11:19 okay! 16:11:22 sweet 16:11:28 anyone want to go after dmr or should I go? 16:11:31 i can 16:11:35 gman999 do it 16:11:37 erm, sec... 16:11:45 k 16:11:46 a few things. 16:11:50 hope stuff: 16:11:52 honestly showing the visual website at the end of the tor circuit is REALLY good for people to understand 16:11:57 * dmr is done now 16:11:59 still need to get a Friday social place. 16:12:09 working on "off-track tor" workshops... 16:12:18 emailed a few times in the past few days 16:12:19 two so far 16:12:23 want at least five 16:12:35 we have isabela as NYC meetup speaker aug 2 16:12:43 which is pefect, post HOPE... just need space 16:12:47 also... 16:12:54 i brought this up elsewhere... 16:13:05 but i STRONGLY thing we should have a torservers/raid flier 16:13:15 on hand for HOPE, defcon, etc. 16:13:21 stephw should weigh in on that 16:13:24 sipmle, clear, get some facts out 16:13:24 FUD control 16:13:27 yes... def 16:13:40 fud control, but also publicity in our broader milieu 16:13:51 sure 16:13:59 and even consider fliering outside a DE embassy or two 16:14:04 gman999: Id be happy to work with you on that as well.. something like that would likely be useful for the PETS meetup too, if it could be finished before that. 16:14:11 that's it! 16:14:21 oh yeah smart, definitely bring to PETS 16:14:25 it's more like content=>stephw on that 16:14:27 yes.. PETS 16:14:29 t0mmy might also have some ideas for content 16:14:30 d'oh! 16:14:34 yes.. t0mmy too 16:14:43 o/ 16:14:45 c'est ca! 16:15:28 cool 16:15:33 who else wants to go before me? 16:15:38 i can o/ 16:15:45 please do ggus 16:16:07 this week we'll be at FISL - http://fisl18.softwarelivre.org/index.php/en/ 16:16:31 we have a meetup at thursday in porto alegre 16:16:34 fun! 16:17:28 and last week helen and i talked by email with more kenyan folks. we are schedule the days to the tor training week in kenya 16:17:45 *scheduling 16:18:05 very exciting 16:18:28 that's it 16:18:34 thanks ggus! 16:18:41 anyone have any follow ups for ggus? 16:19:05 (i assume you're touching on mx city outreahc, flex?) 16:19:09 yes gman999 16:19:11 very curious to hear 16:19:24 well I'll go next thene 16:19:26 then* 16:19:49 so I've been focusing on organizing the "open days" part of the Mexico City meeting 16:20:02 the two days at the end of the meeting where we invite all kinds of people to come and hack on Tor and meet Tor folks and whatnot 16:20:20 they used to be "open" in both senses -- anyone can show up, and there isn't really anything specifically planned/it's unconference style 16:20:27 and that....wasn't great for newcomers to find their way 16:20:40 (and usually flat dead, from my experience) 16:20:46 so last time we started experimenting with a more developed schedule and this time I think it will be even better 16:20:48 yes gman999 16:21:01 I reached out to every team to get them to give at least one talk during those days 16:21:27 and I'm also coordinating a set of "ambassadors" to talk to new people as they show up and help them get a sense of what's going on 16:21:48 I should say, it's not just "one talk" per team, I asked for other activities too. like, a team could organize a set of beginner tickets ready to go. 16:22:15 maybe user testing... 16:22:27 emmapeel: definitely. already got Anto and Isa to confirm. 16:22:30 (I'm happy to be one of the people who greets new people, if that would be helpful.) 16:22:33 blocked out four hours on the first open day for it :) 16:22:47 Phoul great thanks! I will add you to my list 16:23:25 Can I help with new people too? 16:23:33 cy63113: yes please! 16:23:42 :) 16:23:52 once we get that schedule in better shape, we'll do a blog post promoting the open days 16:23:57 and that will be part of our local outreach gman999 16:24:03 for the "talk" will we have a screen/projector available? 16:24:07 that's on the agenda for the meeting after this one too 16:24:12 irl: good question. I will ask Jon. 16:24:16 I bet we can get one 16:24:19 cool thanks 16:24:45 i want to do an overview of metrics ecosystem with all the tools, but it's hard without showing some of them working or examples 16:24:49 after the open days are ready to go, we'll start working on the regular days schedule 16:24:53 irl: totally 16:25:57 oh and another couple of things we'll promote in that blog post will be two events that happen after the meeting -- the privacy and security colloqium and the feminist meetup 16:26:09 btw the feminist meetup is not restricted only to women 16:26:15 we just won't permit men to speak 16:26:17 (jk) 16:26:31 I don't think I've heard about that one. 16:26:46 kat5: it's still in the works, but Juliana from Derechos Digitales is organizing 16:27:00 it will be the day after the meeting 16:27:05 Cool. 16:27:24 gman already gave an update about HOPE, but I'll add that I'm trying to get the booth staffed 16:27:41 and trying to get our talk slides in order 16:27:55 and yes I will sign up for some workshop or another gman999 but you better be patient with me bc I'm doing all this other stuff!!!!!!! 16:27:58 ;) 16:28:03 :) 16:28:23 on Friday me and ggus helped Isa get the sponsor9 phase 2 doc submitted 16:28:27 i want the workshops on a flier before HOPE 16:28:33 gman999 yep 16:29:15 oh, do we have access to any funds for the social? 16:29:21 my queries have gone unheeded :) 16:29:26 gman999: oh idk 16:29:28 we might 16:29:35 can you give me an estimate and I'll find out? 16:29:37 just to guarantte the space 16:29:39 ok 16:29:41 offlist i'll ping you 16:29:45 sweet 16:29:48 okay so some other stuff 16:30:09 support portal feedback and translation -- hey that's still happening! please go test the site https://support.torproject.org/ 16:30:54 Library Freedom Institute is in week 5, where we covered threat modeling. week six starts on Wednesday, and we're talking about ICE surveillance and community-focused counterresponses. 16:31:04 with Dia from WITNESS. I'm really excited about this week. 16:31:52 I think that's mainly it? after HOPE and MX meeting stuff is in order, my priority is to work on the TB 8.0 documentation changes 16:31:54 that's it from me 16:32:37 questions? comments? 16:32:40 flexlibris: lots of stuff! really cool to hear about it all :) 16:32:45 dmr: thanks :) 16:33:06 flexlibris: question - are the materials / curriculum info available for LFI, for those outside of the project? 16:33:07 +1, thats lots of stuff! 16:33:16 :) 16:33:22 irl: omg I wrote "can we get a screen and projector" on the agenda for the meeting-planners meeting, and Jon already responded and said "yes we have both" 16:33:24 love that guy 16:33:29 dmr: yes one sec let me get you the link 16:33:32 awesome (: 16:33:43 so most everything is here dmr https://github.com/alisonLFP/libraryfreedominstitute 16:33:45 +1 16:33:53 dmr: particularly under "assignments" 16:34:04 flexlibris: awesome, cool! I'll try to check it out :) 16:34:07 I should have made the folder titles more descriptive beyond "week2" or whatever, next round I will 16:34:22 but you can look under "curriculum" for the weekly agenda and see what topic each week corresponds to 16:34:56 so far we've covered basic privacy tools (eg passwords, anti-malware strategies), CCTV, corporate surveillance overview, threat modeling, and now this week we're getting into the ICE stuff 16:35:31 every week they have some different assignment to make the talk kind of practically focused 16:36:20 anything else for me? 16:36:23 or anyone else with an update? 16:36:31 flexlibris, another question: the Tor Training slides that were mentioned a few months back (and I think you used for Uganda if my memory doesn't fail)... are those considered public-ready and somewhere? 16:37:01 dmr: I have them, but I haven't had a free moment to upload them and also I'm waiting to make some changes for TB 8.0 16:37:09 but I can put them on a share.riseup.net link one sec 16:37:10 good question dmr, and which other subjects should be covered that others can contribute? 16:37:43 dmr: this is what we used in Uganda https://share.riseup.net/#1z4UAcdCFvm6-m_tO2zD3w 16:38:01 we should make them the basis of a 'workshop repo'? 16:38:04 when I make the 8.0 changes I'll break them down into "modules" again, eg "mobile" "censorship" "relays" etc 16:38:06 yes gman999 16:38:25 "you dont *have to* start with thse, but they can help" 16:38:47 there are a lot of others who can follow the style/depth and contribute other topics 16:38:51 flexlibris: cool! I'm going to glance through these and see if they can help in the impromptu tor explanations that I mentioned in my update :) 16:38:59 "contritubing to orfox" etc 16:39:00 dmr great 16:39:21 personally, i'm tired of rewriting slides a few times a year 16:39:45 (not that i have in a while) 16:39:52 gman999: it does seem a bit unsustainable :( 16:40:12 common body of knowledge is better approach... shared repo 16:40:34 flexlibris: just to tie my update in to the slides - your slide 8 with the "How Tor Relays Work" graphic is the one I used to give a visual to people about Tor - the website depiction at the end really helps imo 16:40:42 dmr oh great 16:40:49 and yeah not having to update the slides constantly would be ideal 16:40:58 but it does happen, obviously software gets updated 16:41:03 so having it be modular is good for this 16:41:10 easier to update 2-3 slides rather than 60 or whatever 16:41:18 modularity +1 16:41:22 make it all like unix 16:41:27 yes 16:42:19 stephw on nyu/poly? 16:42:25 anything? 16:43:07 no more update from what i said last week 16:43:08 (it's next monday, with sysrqb) 16:43:15 cool 16:43:32 we might miss community #irc 16:43:35 and i dont see a demand for a torservers flier, i have not seen fud 16:43:49 and there is another flier to create if we have time 16:43:52 to me not about the FUD, it's about pubicizing 16:44:44 topic is stuck? 16:44:55 if you have time, you could host a streaming call with torservers folks, gman999 16:45:05 asn: nope - active meeting :) 16:45:08 sorry 16:45:21 asn: now you're on the community team 16:45:24 that's really something for them to sort out. 16:45:26 o/ 16:45:32 i'm thinking about material for hope, PETs etc 16:45:44 yeah, but in terms of outreach 16:46:04 an streaming call will get much more attention 16:46:09 i dont have facilities for streaming... but i have know ppl at streaming engine 16:48:13 flexlibris: that presentation is great! going to switch out a couple of slides in the nyu talk with some of these 16:48:25 stephw: awesome 16:48:32 we worked on it a lot 16:48:42 does anyone else have an update btw? 16:48:52 otherwise we can keep talking about outreach/materials 16:49:32 One thing to add 16:49:36 please do 16:50:05 Mexico relay operator meetup planning will begin in full-swing this week, starting with the planning meeting after this. If anyone wants to help out with that, please let me know and/or stay for the following meeting. 16:50:09 Thats all :) 16:50:30 nice 16:50:42 awesome. recruit recruit 16:51:36 okay anything else? 16:51:42 the network team is lurking 16:51:52 i'm out.. gotta run. 16:51:55 ttyls 16:51:55 later gman999 16:52:17 just to clarify to y'all, it's #tor-meeting2 for the tor-meeting planning meeting! 16:52:32 (thanks dmr) 16:52:33 yes thanks for that! 16:52:35 I forgot to remind 16:52:54 okay it looks like we are done..... 16:52:57 giving it another 10 seconds.... 16:53:33 okay killing the bot 16:53:35 #endmeeting