17:01:45 #startmeeting support site do or die till lasagna 17:01:45 Meeting started Wed Feb 14 17:01:45 2018 UTC. The chair is isabela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:55 alright people! 17:02:08 here is the game between now and lasagna :) 17:02:25 haha 17:02:27 mmm lasagna 17:02:30 hehe 17:02:32 :D 17:02:37 I moved everything else in the pad all the way to the bottom: 17:02:38 https://pad.riseup.net/p/support-tpo 17:02:48 and organized the list of things to do on the site so we can launch it 17:03:06 our goal now on is to use the stagging site that hiro shared 17:03:18 if you see something that is not in the pad - document it 17:03:43 it could be good to include which browser and/or devices are you testing on too 17:03:44 if you see something in the pad you can help fix or make sure it happens the way the pad is indicating 17:03:47 do so 17:03:51 antonela: +1 17:04:03 and hiro - cross things as you do them 17:04:05 and also 17:04:07 yo 17:04:09 i have been testing on high security mode at TorBrowser and i didn't say anything 17:04:13 let us know when you update support staging site 17:04:13 and is confusing 17:04:23 so we know we have new version to look at 17:04:50 also I have an update regarding the transitions 17:05:15 go! 17:05:17 :) 17:05:36 yeah so if we want to use bootstrap accordion we can't remove the transitions 17:05:51 we can write a simple accordion 17:05:56 it's not that complicated 17:06:12 but we were discussing how it feels w antonela an it is confusing 17:06:13 nice 17:06:22 oh 17:06:25 confusing how 17:06:27 like things jump around 17:06:31 and there is no transition 17:06:32 vixe 17:06:41 blah 17:06:42 when I say jump around 17:06:48 i think we are between two options 17:06:48 I don't mean that the css is broken 17:06:59 just that you click and the thing appears 17:07:07 now we have the little sliding 17:07:13 1. if we have js an user can see all the questions right away - but there are tons of funky experience with it 17:07:32 2. if we leave thing open and forget about js there wont be funky experience but the user cant see all questions at once 17:07:56 uhm 17:08:03 hiro: another option could be have all the questions listed and jump between them with the sidemenu like an anchor 17:08:09 im thinking about it now 17:08:26 the sidemenu does that already 17:08:36 right now, we have everything listed but display:none 17:08:50 what if we show everything and we navigate with the sidemenu 17:09:02 like if there is no js 17:09:09 the sidemenu jumps among the topics 17:09:14 not :hidden sets 17:09:19 antonela: maybe like a two-column layout? with questions listed on the left in a smaller column and the issue opened viewable on the right in a wider column space? 17:09:30 well, the collapsable question/answer could still living there 17:09:53 pari: yes, like we have in the styleguide right now 17:10:09 yeah! 17:10:23 hiro, isabela makes sense? 17:11:06 antonela the only thing that concerns me is that some questions are long 17:11:23 i am trying to see the styleguide example 17:11:37 so they will splattered across a few lines 17:11:42 yes, but 17:11:45 https://styleguide.torproject.org/components/ 17:11:49 i dont think we should have 3 columns 17:11:51 isabela ^ 17:11:51 ha 17:11:59 i guess on tor browser that doesnt show up 17:12:03 cuz of screen size 17:12:04 I am trying to locate the wireframe for something similar I worked on a while back. be back in 2 17:12:06 the same layout we have right now, but without the collapsable thing on the core topics 17:12:07 that is why i could not see it 17:12:24 yeah that's what I thought 17:13:01 also it doesnt show on mobile 17:13:12 so is a trick that will work only on big screens 17:13:31 maybe that and open questions and we live with it 17:13:47 maybe a select box for questions? 17:13:49 or maybe we dont do it and just go with 2 17:13:53 is that too hacky? 17:13:57 hehe 17:14:01 wait, for mobile we have a select 17:14:08 is not working 100% now, but will do 17:14:20 so you select a section and the menu collapse 17:14:24 * isabela opened styleguide on mobile and didn't saw it 17:14:25 antonela that was a select? because I have implemented a collapsable menu 17:14:29 you can pull and see it 17:14:31 ah 17:15:20 yes 17:15:42 hiro is good as how it works right now, BUT we need to close the select menu once people tap 17:15:57 yes I am rtying to figure it out 17:15:58 because if we dont, user can not easy see the changes on the listing 17:16:00 how to do that in js 17:16:00 yes i know 17:16:02 haha 17:16:08 sorry in no-js 17:16:13 yep 17:16:21 because w/ the hoover trick it was getting messy 17:16:24 yes yes 17:16:45 ok 17:17:00 I wonder if we should document all this weird css things we do so that they work in no-js 17:17:20 +1 17:17:33 imo, the most annoying thing about the animation is when you click on a new topic. If we list all the questions closed + subhead topics 17:17:37 im sure they will be helpful tricks for other portals too 17:17:52 and then we use the topics as an anchor, will work 17:17:54 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji7t68goow5s2ii/wireframe.jpg?dl=0 17:18:08 antonela: sorry for the time I took. 17:18:11 but this was what I was talking about 17:18:21 antonela: agreed 17:18:39 ok 17:18:41 here is my proposal 17:18:45 pari: thanks! 17:18:52 antonela and hiro try out a couple of things 17:18:58 cuz i think yall understand the problem 17:19:16 yes 17:19:21 when you think you have a good solution you share 17:19:59 i would like to chat a bit about the styleguide official launch 17:20:00 ok 17:20:08 stephw: ping 17:20:11 hii 17:20:14 not sure if t0mmy is around 17:20:21 no i dont think so 17:20:28 is cool 17:20:31 isabela: cool, we will deal with it and share on the list 17:20:34 we can get him updated later 17:20:35 he is mostly off this week 17:20:36 yes 17:20:42 so! 17:20:53 styleguide.torproject.org exist 17:20:54 :) 17:21:01 you might have heard of it :P 17:21:04 but the world havent 17:21:13 we would like to write a blog post and tell the world :) 17:21:19 and are looking for your help 17:21:29 great 17:21:39 let me check the blog calendar just a sec 17:21:47 cool 17:22:05 one main thing there: could someone who knows about it, give us recommendations about the licence? 17:22:14 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 17:22:14 yes 17:22:18 good reminding 17:22:32 shari was suppose to get me in touch with the eff lawyer or person that knows this stuff 17:22:36 cool 17:22:45 because Copyright seems not the best approach for it 17:22:49 how would the week of feb 25 be? 17:22:49 yes 17:22:57 sounds good 17:23:02 cool 17:23:08 hopefully we get the right license by then 17:23:12 want us to take the lead on the draft? 17:23:19 steph, the folks from simply secure wanted to be involved on the writing, so once we have something we will have them on the pad too :) 17:23:19 I am out that week w limited internet 17:23:31 but I am sure you don't need me for the post 17:23:41 hiro: you can collaborate before you are out 17:23:41 who are the folks at simply secure? 17:23:49 scout and 17:23:52 isa help me 17:23:58 i think we can just ping scout 17:24:05 oh cool 17:24:15 stephw: they were part of starting this 17:24:17 just a remainder about it since they were involved on it even before me :) 17:24:35 ahh okay, didnt realize 17:24:37 scout might ping elio too 17:24:37 s/remainder/reminder 17:24:45 yes, elio too 17:24:55 antonela: you saw his email? 17:24:58 with a couple of things 17:25:02 yes, i saw the email 17:25:10 cool 17:25:37 stephw: do you want a bullet point list of things we want to pass in the blog post 17:25:43 i disagree about reduce to Source sans font since we are using the serif, sans and mono families too 17:25:44 like why we did what we did 17:25:47 anw, will back to him this week 17:25:50 how useful we hope it to be 17:25:56 isabela: yes, thatd work 17:26:05 i think antonela could draft that 17:26:07 we can use those to make a draft, that can be easier than having many original authors 17:26:10 yes :) 17:26:11 i have notes 17:26:12 to have a consistent voice 17:26:15 :) 17:26:17 already :nerd_face: 17:26:20 hehe 17:26:31 will clean and share with you soon steph 17:26:36 cool 17:26:37 great thanks 17:26:51 another thing 17:27:09 styleguide.torproject was part of the bigger project of redesigning the site etc 17:27:17 and our support site is using it 17:27:33 yes, all next portals too 17:27:34 so keep that in mind too :) cuz hopefully right after that we will have a blog post about our support site 17:27:41 and then 17:27:49 we could link back to the styleguide post 17:27:50 yes, could do a lil tease about it 17:27:52 yes 17:27:54 :) 17:28:29 ok 17:28:36 any other updates people? 17:28:39 or points of discussion? 17:28:41 or questions? 17:28:43 worries? 17:28:44 hehe 17:29:05 Phoul: please see my note regarding languages - translation at the pad 17:29:09 Strings have started to get onto Transifex. About half the databags are up, the other half will be up today. Translations have started to come in, I believe the censorship databag has completed french translations. 17:29:18 * Phoul looks again 17:29:24 nice :D 17:29:30 cool Phoul! 17:29:33 so those databags are working 17:29:34 we should push for the tier 1 for launch 17:30:09 stephw: btw Phoul will ping you to coordinate call for help with the translations :) 17:30:15 on the interwebz 17:30:28 sounds good :) 17:30:39 Phoul: we have another mission for you :) 17:30:52 After seeing how fast people are jumping on the strings, for tier1, we may not actually need to put out that call. 17:31:05 we are looking for someone who are fluent in left to right language 17:31:05 As I was uploading the second databag, the first one was being completed for multiple languages. 17:31:09 like arabic or farsi 17:31:25 isabela: For testing the portal? 17:31:26 because antonela will need to sit with this person (virtually sit) and review the ux 17:31:29 yes 17:31:30 yes 17:31:30 yes 17:31:34 because we will flip everything 17:31:47 and things needs to feel the way it should for left to right 17:31:52 for instance 17:31:58 we have considered support for right to left languages, but we should review them with a native speaker 17:31:59 the topics column should flip 17:32:02 I will find someone and get in contact. I'm still in contact with Sherief (the old paid arabic translator / support person), I'm sure he'd be happy to help. 17:32:03 be on the right not left 17:32:05 isabela there is support for that in the styleguide and bootstrap 17:32:13 hiro: nice 17:32:19 yes 17:32:24 Phoul: great 17:32:35 hiro: but could be nice to have a human reading everything so we can check if it makes sense 17:32:48 even if we are changing the layout 17:32:53 https://styleguide.torproject.org/visuals/#typography 17:32:57 yes :) 17:33:03 check out the arabic test 17:33:11 sure :) 17:33:26 also the arabic source font is beautiful <3 17:33:32 I'll reach out to Sherief and a couple others, and see who has time. Which TZ are you in antonela? 17:33:41 i'm GMT-3 17:33:45 but i can jump anytime 17:33:49 to a call phoul 17:33:52 Sounds good :) 17:34:00 antonela@tpo just in case 17:34:08 :) thanks 17:34:12 thank you :) 17:34:21 alright 17:34:25 lets think whatelse :) 17:34:39 we have the search novela 17:34:41 i know 17:34:46 i will give myself a deadline for hope from ddg 17:34:50 and make a call :) 17:34:52 i promise 17:34:55 this week isa? 17:34:58 yes 17:35:00 cool 17:35:07 my question was should i say today or friday 17:35:11 cool 17:35:21 i might go w friday tho 17:35:25 honestly, i dont think we can do what you want ha 17:35:30 but lets see 17:35:37 how far we can go :) 17:35:42 i just wanted the ddg guy to say that 17:35:43 hehehe 17:35:46 LOL 17:35:47 hahah 17:35:48 cuz is a last hope 17:36:11 but i am working myself out of it 17:36:11 goood 17:36:15 just hang in there :) 17:36:21 haha 17:36:32 i am trying to lose hope 17:36:34 see :) 17:36:37 hahah 17:37:10 ok ok! 17:37:15 after loosing hope :P 17:37:18 whatelse? 17:37:36 i think we are good this week 17:38:07 just keep testing - whenever antonela and hiro ping us with a solution for the problem with the js stuff 17:38:10 we should mega test it 17:39:23 yep 17:39:45 ok 17:39:49 i think we good 17:39:55 should i kill the bot? 17:40:03 yep kill it 17:40:18 * Phoul watches isabela sneak up on MeetBot 17:40:22 lol 17:40:26 #endmeeting