14:30:55 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team
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14:31:16 <karsten> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/Ou-1QRctynWbF4yedi-MfDsjImFMFSIEP20fbVGCPRa <- agenda pad
14:31:27 <karsten> which is still empty for today. let's collect some ideas first.
14:31:32 <karsten> agenda item ideas.
14:35:12 <karsten> okay.
14:35:21 <iwakeh> yep.
14:35:32 <karsten> let's start.
14:35:37 <karsten> * Onionoo backup host (karsten, iwakeh)
14:35:45 <iwakeh> yes, I have access
14:35:50 <karsten> neat.
14:35:55 <iwakeh> and planning the setup.
14:36:02 <iwakeh> wondering about the path
14:36:27 <karsten> ideally, we'll have similar setups on omeiense and this new host.
14:36:29 <iwakeh> on corsicum we use /svr/... without the 'home'
14:36:34 <iwakeh> part
14:36:57 <iwakeh> that'll be better for onionoo too.
14:37:01 <karsten> /srv/onionoo.torproject.org/onionoo/ on omeiense.
14:37:18 <iwakeh> ok, then I'll change this accordingly.
14:37:35 <iwakeh> there are only 45G
14:37:35 <karsten> ok. we'll have to clean up a few things on omeiense, just like we did on colchicifolium.
14:37:51 <iwakeh> on oo-h-03
14:37:51 <karsten> but we can do that later.
14:38:00 <karsten> same on omeiense.
14:38:07 <karsten> 32G used.
14:38:11 <iwakeh> ah, ok.
14:38:30 <iwakeh> I intended to finish this today.
14:39:05 <iwakeh> yes, I intend to compare as
14:39:06 <karsten> sounds good. just ping me when you're ready.
14:39:16 <iwakeh> we did with colchi and corsi for collector.
14:39:28 <karsten> yes, comparing makes sense.
14:39:48 <iwakeh> and add the script.
14:39:49 <karsten> ideally, we'd synchronize using a pad and do this together.
14:39:52 <karsten> and that.
14:40:25 <iwakeh> yes, after there is something on oo-h-3
14:40:42 <karsten> ok.
14:40:47 <karsten> moving on?
14:40:51 <iwakeh> sure.
14:41:16 <karsten> * Tor Bridge Descriptors specification on Tor Metrics (#22827)
14:41:28 <karsten> few steps left.
14:41:41 <karsten> we could publish very soon.
14:41:57 <iwakeh> Yes, I'll plan this for tomorrow.
14:42:04 <karsten> great!
14:42:18 <karsten> next?
14:42:22 <iwakeh> yep
14:42:27 <karsten> * Anything about metrics-lib intern(al) package? (#22983)
14:42:44 <iwakeh> in the making.
14:42:49 <karsten> ok.
14:43:07 <iwakeh> together with the next topic.
14:43:27 <karsten> ok. :)
14:43:40 <karsten> there, I added new topics.
14:43:44 <karsten> * Should objective 1 cover only CollecTor or also subsequent aggregation and presentation?
14:43:59 <karsten> to be honest, I haven't read the proposal text in detail again.
14:44:01 <iwakeh> ah, that topic.
14:44:05 <karsten> nor do I have a strong opinion.
14:44:12 <iwakeh> me neither.
14:44:35 <karsten> hrmmmm, maybe we'll have to start writing this thing.
14:44:41 <karsten> conceptually.
14:45:02 <iwakeh> ok.
14:45:07 <karsten> in some sense I'd prefer a focus on collector. then there would be 1 deliverable for collector and 1 for the aggregation part.
14:45:24 <iwakeh> yes, that makes sense.
14:45:30 <karsten> and I wonder how useful the report parts about processing and presenting would be.
14:45:39 <karsten> on the other hand I'm not sure if we already promised this.
14:45:50 <karsten> nor whether others would appreciate knowing more about those later steps.
14:46:07 <iwakeh> the processing steps
14:46:11 <karsten> yes.
14:46:19 <iwakeh> sure, these are important for research.
14:46:42 <iwakeh> how, descriptors are made permanent etc.
14:46:52 <karsten> well, those would be included in collector.
14:47:01 <karsten> I mean whatever happens after collector.
14:47:16 <iwakeh> ah, that's objective 2
14:47:48 <karsten> hmm, wasn't objective 2 adding new data sources to collector?
14:47:53 <iwakeh> the new2
14:47:53 <karsten> (operating from memory here)
14:47:56 <karsten> ah, yes.
14:47:57 <karsten> the new 2.
14:48:12 <karsten> right.
14:48:25 <iwakeh> one paper covering collector and one all after that.
14:48:37 <karsten> it's more concrete though. we're specifying how we're doing that all. not why we chose to do it this way.
14:48:56 <karsten> and it's going to be a website (objective 2), not a paper (objective 1).
14:49:04 <karsten> still, it might make sense to focus on collector in objective 1.
14:49:13 <karsten> unless we already promised more.
14:49:34 <karsten> should we try to find out?
14:49:35 <iwakeh> yes, I think we can do that.
14:49:48 <iwakeh> given what we wrote earlier.
14:49:49 <karsten> I can do that.
14:50:04 <iwakeh> fine :-)
14:50:21 <karsten> ok.
14:50:24 <karsten> next:
14:50:29 <karsten> * Logs to double/triple-check Tor Browser downloads.
14:50:31 <iwakeh> match it to the researchers answers.
14:50:39 <iwakeh> ok, next tpoic.
14:50:44 <iwakeh> topic.
14:51:36 <karsten> I mean, I just emailed you about that topic.
14:51:45 <karsten> anything that's easier to resolve while we're here?
14:51:52 <iwakeh> yes, the logs, sure.
14:51:54 <karsten> otherwise we can keep this in the mail.
14:52:07 <iwakeh> I think mail is fine.
14:52:10 <karsten> ok.
14:52:27 <karsten> - MOSS final report blogpost: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pCr2bGhTd-mkoTDKZm7FydoGC_mSPo68AMnzOincZ4E/edit?usp=sharing (TC: Sorry I'm late!)
14:52:35 <t0mmy> hi =)
14:52:38 <karsten> t0mmy: hi!
14:52:41 <iwakeh> hi tommy!
14:53:03 <t0mmy> so the meat of this is from the final report
14:53:18 <t0mmy> with some bloggy bits top and bottom
15:02:06 <karsten> by the way, now that we're on the doc, should we release the channel lock?
15:03:57 <iwakeh> fine, bye channel.
15:04:04 <karsten> heh. bye!
15:04:06 <karsten> #endmeeting