18:00:57 <GeKo> #startmeeting tor browser
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18:01:03 <GeKo> hi all!
18:01:07 <femme> Hey!
18:01:20 <arthuredelstein> hi everyone!
18:01:27 <GeKo> let's get started with the usual statuts update thing
18:01:33 <GeKo> who wants to go first today?
18:01:42 <boklm> hi
18:01:47 <femme> I'll start I only have one thing to say really
18:02:16 <GeKo> go!
18:02:25 <femme> I filed #20375 which seems like a good stop-gap solution until #12977 is implemented
18:03:52 <femme> The window size warning works when tor browser is fullscreen, I tested
18:04:27 <femme> I'm going to look into working on it this week
18:04:31 <femme> That's it for me
18:04:36 <GeKo> cool, thanks
18:04:50 <GeKo> yes, it might be worthwhile at a stopgap
18:05:11 <GeKo> although i still have not lost hope to see the real thing (#14429) land one day ;)
18:05:22 <arthuredelstein> Me too :)
18:05:51 <GeKo> yeah, thought so :)
18:06:51 <GeKo> i can go
18:07:14 <GeKo> so last week i spent quite some time to get our nightlies going again
18:07:51 <GeKo> i did not finish the debugging yet but felt i am closer to understand what goes wrong with the vm creaton on ln5's machine
18:08:06 <GeKo> meanwhile i used my regular build machine to get some nightlies going
18:08:23 <GeKo> which turned out to be a good idea as i discovered that the move to GCC 6 is premature
18:08:40 <GeKo> see #20381 for the details
18:08:56 <GeKo> the good thing is that we found it before we started releasing things
18:09:25 <GeKo> the bad thing is that i spent a ton of work to get a deliverable finished which we need to back out now :(
18:09:48 <GeKo> apart from that i had the pleasure to work on the next OTF proposal
18:10:01 <GeKo> we submitted v4 on friday
18:10:14 <GeKo> we'll see whether it survives this time
18:11:18 <GeKo> then i spent time on reviewing and merging tickets #20244, #20304, #20373, #18093
18:11:26 <GeKo> and i started with #20111
18:11:45 <GeKo> i hope this time it survives my testing
18:12:19 <GeKo> then i spent quite some time testing yawning's sandboxing efforts and started making plans to work on getting this into gitian
18:12:29 <GeKo> #20352
18:13:08 <GeKo> this week i plan to work on #20352, get another pile of reviews done and am hopefully able to get our nightly builds going again
18:13:21 <GeKo> i think that's it for me for now
18:14:01 * mcs will go next
18:14:16 <mcs> Last week, Kathy and I spent most of our time on Unix domain socket work.
18:14:21 <mcs> We posted a revised patch for #20111 and created a patch for #20185.
18:14:28 <mcs> We also reviewed some patches and spent some time looking at the new (proposed) security slider text.
18:14:35 <mcs> This week our focus will be on MacOS sandboxing (#20121), code reviews, and any remaining Unix domain socket work.
18:14:40 <mcs> That’s all for us.
18:14:58 * arthuredelstein can go
18:15:06 <arthuredelstein> This week I wrote patches for #20373 and #19459,
18:15:11 <arthuredelstein> I revised #20244,
18:15:15 <arthuredelstein> I reviewed #20111,
18:15:25 <arthuredelstein> I met with the Mozilla folks, and I worked on #16622 (not done yet)
18:15:36 <arthuredelstein> This week I will try to finish #16622, and help with any SponsorU items as well as the Mozilla uplift.
18:15:44 <arthuredelstein> That's it for me.
18:15:53 * boklm can go
18:16:05 <boklm> This past week I have been mainly working on #19067, and made a patch for #20210
18:16:08 <boklm> This week I'm planing to continue working on #19067, and on #20186
18:16:22 <boklm> That's it for me
18:17:18 <GeKo> re #19067
18:17:33 <GeKo> i think the plan looks good
18:18:07 <boklm> ok
18:18:22 <GeKo> this is a deliverable and there is not that much time left so, it might be smart to think about
18:18:31 <GeKo> different stages we want to reach
18:18:52 <GeKo> where, say, stage two is the full plan you outlined
18:19:07 <GeKo> but satage one would be enough to meet the deliverable
18:19:29 <GeKo> e.g. i guess makeing those things reproducible could be for stage 2
18:19:48 <boklm> yes
18:19:50 <GeKo> i.e. is not critical to get done before oct 31 etc
18:20:36 <GeKo> so maybe it would be helpful to create new tickets for the things in stage 2?
18:21:01 <GeKo> while the stuff we definitely want to have for the deliverable could be done in #19067?
18:21:17 <boklm> ah, yes, I can do that
18:21:24 <GeKo> might be easier to keep track on what got done as must-have
18:21:29 <GeKo> okay, good.
18:22:20 <GeKo> oh, and please keep #15138 on your radar
18:22:28 <boklm> ok
18:22:41 <GeKo> i think this requires only one or two additional tests for the testsuite
18:22:56 <GeKo> but is a thing we need for sponsoru as well
18:23:00 <boklm> ok
18:23:54 <GeKo> okay, anyone else here for a status update
18:23:56 <GeKo> ?
18:25:06 <GeKo> then let's start the discussion time
18:25:21 <GeKo> does anybody have items?
18:25:31 <femme> While thinking about window size I wondered how a tabs to the side tor browser would look, and installed the mozilla test addon tab center. it ground tor browser and my computer to a complete halt. But I personally think it's an idea worth testing, maybe with a different extension though, so we keep the content the same size but give more space to the interface and tabs etc.
18:28:13 <GeKo> https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center <- that one?
18:29:17 <mcs> We would be taking away horizontal space instead of vertical. I am nit sure if that would be better, but people are used to “tabs on top.”
18:29:27 <mcs> s/nit/not/
18:30:11 <GeKo> yes, i had the same feeling
18:30:47 <GeKo> amyway, interesting experiment i guess
18:30:51 <GeKo> *anyway
18:31:24 <femme> Or multiple rows on top even would be better
18:31:39 <GeKo> one item i have is that we should be aware for OS X users on older systems (at least 10.6) showing up and complaining after we ship #20204
18:32:17 <GeKo> it seems that the fix leads to issues with scrolling down on a website
18:32:55 <GeKo> i grab the scrollbar now i am dragging down the whole window instead of scrolling down
18:33:16 <GeKo> i can still scroll down with the keyboard though
18:33:54 <mcs> Is there a Firefox bug about that? I guess Mozilla dropped support for 10.6, right?
18:34:03 <GeKo> not sure if other pre 10.9 systems are affected
18:34:21 <GeKo> yes, mozilla dropped support for 10.6, 10.7 and 10.8 with firefox 46
18:34:49 <mcs> Do you know if 10.9, 10.10, and 10.11 are okay?
18:34:52 <GeKo> newere firefox versions are not even running on pre 10.9 systems anymore
18:35:00 <GeKo> newer
18:35:04 <GeKo> actually, no
18:35:25 <GeKo> i did only some guessing here
18:35:42 <GeKo> if you have the hardware i can upload a bundle for testing
18:36:29 <GeKo> i actually suspect the fix for #20204 only
18:36:39 <GeKo> but 6.5a3 is working fine
18:36:57 <GeKo> and since then not many patches have landed on our 45.4.0esr
18:37:04 <GeKo> and only osx is affected
18:37:31 <mcs> Kathy and I can check some other OSX systems but I don’t think we have access to systems with each OS. Maybe we are missing 10.7, 10.8,and 10.10 (I will double check)
18:39:22 <GeKo> okay. i'll upload the bundle after the meeting
18:40:12 <GeKo> anything else for today?
18:41:01 <mcs> What are the dates for our next TB releases?
18:42:45 <boklm> I think 2016-11-08 and 2016-12-13
18:43:21 <mcs> Thanks.
18:43:45 <boklm> the same as on https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
18:44:12 <GeKo> yes, unless things are severely exploding before then
18:44:23 <GeKo> or in-between
18:44:42 <GeKo> alright. thanks for the meeting *baf*
18:44:45 <GeKo> #endmeeting