13:33:41 <nickm> #startmeeting 13:33:41 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Sep 16 13:33:41 2015 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:33:41 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:33:44 <nickm> good morning everyone! 13:33:48 <nickm> good morning, MeetBot 13:34:35 <dgoulet> hi! 13:34:37 <athena> greetings putative humans! 13:34:38 <nickm> so, I've been scrambling to resolve stuff, to get patches merged, and to get 0.2.7 put to bed. 13:34:38 <isabela> morning! 13:35:10 <nickm> I think we've only got a few things left to do before we put out the last alpha 13:35:22 <nickm> so, time for testing, working on changelog, etc 13:35:43 <nickm> also I'm trying to gear up for the start of 028, and get progress made on closing/reviving old proposals 13:35:51 <nickm> isis has helped there a bunch too, which roxx 13:37:04 <nickm> also I've been writing tech documentation, which is a pita 13:37:12 <nickm> and I ope I can finish some first drafts soon 13:37:17 <nickm> who's got next status? 13:38:51 <nickm> anybody with an update? 13:38:55 <dgoulet> quite fast for me, R planning and logistics, recovering a bit from a dead laptop and lots and lots of prop#250 13:38:57 <athena> dragging through the last bits of #4581 (hash tables of counters for cases involving DIRIND_ONEHOP and DIRIND_DIRECT_CONN, and purging old counters that drop near zero) 13:39:02 <nickm> here's a fun thought for 028 planning, btw: https://twitter.com/casio_juarez/status/640874662130397184 13:39:40 <athena> this points the way toward "we should build a generic EWMA module and refactor both this and circuitmux_ewma.c to use it", but not dragging this out any longer on that, so i'll file a new ticket to do that one 13:40:03 <nickm> +1 13:40:12 <nickm> wow, 028 is going to have a lot of stuff in it. 13:40:29 <nickm> I wonder if we could all commit to taking a week or two for nothing but code review 13:40:35 <nickm> because there's so much backlog 13:41:09 <athena> no objections to getting some code reviews knocked off for a while 13:41:47 <nickm> anybody else got an update? 13:42:15 <asn_> hello. 13:42:24 <asn_> been busy with proposals. mike's guard proposals. and prop250. 13:42:32 <asn_> also some logistics for sponsorr. 13:42:35 <asn_> and preparing for the dev meeting trip. 13:42:42 <asn_> looking forward to see all of you in a few days 13:42:55 <asn_> dgoulet: i'm reading your email now. 13:43:45 <nickm> I need to find a way to get myself focusing on open proposals more 13:44:02 <nickm> I wonder if periodic design workshops, like our patch workshops would be a good idea 13:44:09 <nickm> I also wonder if it makes sense to add another patch workshop time 13:45:17 <dgoulet> workshop could work to make *you* focus, not guarantee for the others :) 13:45:32 <nickm> hmm 13:45:39 <nickm> ok, let's look for other ideas too 13:45:47 <nickm> anybody else around for an update? 13:45:55 <nickm> Yawning, teor, anybody? 13:46:00 <nickm> isabela? 13:46:12 <nickm> otherwise we can just move on to discussion 13:46:44 <isabela> hi 13:47:22 <isabela> I added a summary of the 0.2.7 release / just looking on tickets metadata not the features itself 13:47:43 <nickm> looks good 13:47:46 <nickm> okay to link it here? 13:48:14 <isabela> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/fH1bqHY1C1spsaOqB-16RxzCw2tpl4sBwfa-E9ShNSw 13:48:20 <isabela> sure 13:48:43 <isabela> is to serve us for retrospective and as we plan 0.2.8 13:48:44 <Yawning> everything is on fire 13:50:06 * teor is here 13:50:22 <teor> I fixed up some minor config and test issues 13:51:06 <teor> Then fixed #17027 and #16069 about Exit Policies 13:51:46 <teor> And, as a side note, got a blog post published with Electronic Frontiers Australia about the .onion registration 13:51:52 <teor> https://www.efa.org.au/2015/09/14/ietf-approves-onion/ 13:52:22 <teor> And I'm having ongoing discussions with CloudFlare about their infinite CAPTCHAs (also via EFA) 13:52:48 <teor> Oh, and Australia will have mandatory data retention in about 4 weeks :-( 13:52:57 <nickm> most of that stuff is cool; that latter thing is less so 13:53:38 <teor> We're trying to work out if Tor nodes have retention obligations, because that would suck 13:54:24 <teor> Not that there's that much available data to retain due to the Tor protocol's design... 13:54:30 <nickm> have you got a proper lawyer working with you on that? 13:55:04 <teor> EFA has a working group - I believe they have lawyers and law professors 13:55:11 <nickm> great 13:55:21 <teor> Until then, time to move my AWS stuff out of AU 13:55:40 <isabela> :/ 13:55:44 <teor> Anyway, done 13:55:59 <Yawning> doing pt evals 13:56:06 <Yawning> while my country shits itself 13:56:22 <Yawning> the opposition errected a barricade in our parliment equivalent building 13:56:30 <Yawning> it is a total fucking zoo 13:57:30 <nickm> are we on-track for PT deliverables for sponsorS getting done end-of-month, or should we jump in to assist? 13:58:01 <nickm> resisting the end of democracy sounds important, so we should pitch in to help with other stuff while you're busy with that 13:59:12 <isabela> hmm 13:59:36 <nickm> Yawning: ^ 14:00:05 <Yawning> it should be ok 14:00:14 <Yawning> depends on how interesting things get 14:00:23 <nickm> ok 14:01:11 <isabela> i got an email from jon yesterday / answering the roadmap document merge question 14:01:30 <nickm> any action needed there? 14:02:14 <isabela> no 14:02:22 <nickm> ok 14:02:24 <isabela> i can chat with Yawning off the meeting 14:02:29 <nickm> sounds good 14:02:44 <nickm> don't hesitate to pull me in for any doc stuff; I hate it, but I can do it reasonably fast 14:03:18 * isabela has a question to the team how it is going for U (ends oct 31st) / maybe off this meeting too 14:03:34 <Yawning> isabela: is it ok to merge it? 14:04:03 <isabela> Yawning: you can go ahead with that plan they want something else tho which I can write and get ppl to review /me thinks 14:04:15 <nickm> isabela: I think that we're on-track with that U stuff, but if anybody could take _any_ of it off me, things will go so much easier 14:04:21 <nickm> I'm going to be dedicating a lot of time to it 14:05:00 <Yawning> ok 14:05:05 <Yawning> we'll talk in a bit? 14:05:28 <isabela> Yawning: yes after this meeting works? 14:05:33 <isabela> nickm: cool tx! 14:06:47 <Yawning> isabela: yah 14:07:02 <nickm> ao, any other discussion topics for today? I'm fairly low other than "let's get 0.2.7 out", "let's get 0.2.8 started", and "let's get more pending proposals sorted out" 14:08:07 <dgoulet> nickm: what do you mean by "pending proposal sorted out" ? 14:08:45 <nickm> we've got a lot of proposals that are in states like "open" or "draft" or "needs-revision" 14:08:55 <dgoulet> ah 14:08:57 <nickm> I want to get as much stuff as possible "accepted" or "rejected" 14:09:15 <nickm> or "superseded" or even "on-reserve" 14:10:03 <teor> It would be so much easier if someone would just decide. Consensus building is so messy and protracted :-) 14:10:32 <nickm> I'm all too willing to be benevolent dictator... 14:10:55 <nickm> so my proposed strategy has been : just make the easy choices myself, invite folks to object, and then discuss the harder stuff 14:10:59 <nickm> does that sound ok? 14:11:22 <teor> Works for me 14:11:39 <dgoulet> nickm: yes, maybe ticket for accepted proposal? 14:11:53 <nickm> sounds good 14:12:09 <nickm> also we ought to have an inventory of accepted proposals, and keep it more or less small 14:12:18 <nickm> I'm using "reserve" as a status that I might rename 14:13:04 <nickm> basically it means "Not going to evaluate this proposal because we're not doing this any time soon, but maybe we can come back to this later if we decide we do want to do it" 14:14:06 <dgoulet> "Good idea proposal if time", :) 14:14:25 <isabela> oh! 14:14:39 <isabela> the proposals reorg! sorry i forgot i sign off to do that 14:14:52 <nickm> no worries 14:15:32 <isabela> will do tho 14:16:16 <nickm> anything else for today? 14:17:09 <dgoulet> wild question: 14:17:18 <dgoulet> do we have (want) an agenda for Berlin? 14:17:23 <dgoulet> or we go "all out gunner" 14:17:24 <dgoulet> ? 14:17:42 <isabela> great question! 14:17:43 <nickm> we're doing all out gunner for 2 days. I'm gonna try to do the rest as optional unconference/hackfest 14:17:49 <isabela> 2 things that is on the agenda for sure 14:17:56 <isabela> 1. roadmaps building like we did in valencia 14:17:57 <nickm> we should try to get agenda to gunner 14:18:08 <isabela> 2. retrospective of network team and the vegas plan 14:18:20 <nickm> yup 14:18:25 <isabela> actually there is a third we spoke of 14:18:29 <isabela> the 0.2.8 triage 14:19:14 <nickm> yeah. Not sure that needs to be during gunnertime or unconference time 14:19:30 <isabela> yeah 14:19:38 <dgoulet> we should try NOT to have a "core tor" group in Berlin like Valencia (or have it a different purpose/name), I and asn missed most of the core tor session because we had an HS session 14:19:43 <dgoulet> and then TBB can't join it also 14:19:44 <isabela> 1 and 2 are gunnertime and 0.2.8 can be on open time 14:19:47 <nickm> yeah 14:20:03 <nickm> I think unconference rather than splitting up by group makes most sense 14:20:14 <dgoulet> +1 14:20:31 <isabela> cool /me can help organize that 14:20:39 <nickm> woot 14:20:46 <isabela> i will send an email to tor-dev letting ppl know this will happen on open time 14:20:59 <nickm> woo 14:21:05 <dgoulet> great 14:21:11 <nickm> also we should make sure we enable participation for all our online friends 14:21:14 <nickm> anything else for this meeting? 14:21:17 <dgoulet> before Berlin, good idea because I already have some session planned :) 14:21:35 <isabela> we can have ppl tagging tickets 14:22:15 <nickm> woo 14:22:19 <nickm> +1 14:22:28 <nickm> ending meeting in 60 sec unless new topics? 14:23:04 <isabela> <3 libraries 14:23:05 <isabela> :P 14:23:11 <nickm> +lots 14:23:33 <dgoulet> indeed 14:23:37 <dgoulet> all good for me 14:23:38 <nickm> #endmeeting!