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13:28:51 <nickm> hi, everybody!  I think it's time for a tor core dev meeting!
13:29:04 <nickm> Let's start with our usual checkins; I'm going to be afk for 2-3 minutes making coffee
13:30:02 <dgoulet> hello! not much on my side apart from the shared random value proposal and SponrorR, I plan to work on tickets today because I'm falling behind badly!
13:30:49 <nickm> sounds neat
13:30:50 <teor> I am working on a grant application, meatspace, and trying to get my head around the shared random proposal
13:31:01 <nickm> zowie!
13:31:16 <dgoulet> also in my wild dream (which I think I share with asn) we want to implement that SR proposal in a very nearby future :)
13:31:31 <teor> I like that idea
13:31:38 <teor> Happy to review code
13:31:39 <isabela> oi
13:32:34 <nickm> I've been poking on testing issues and simple code review and refactoring when I have fewer brain cells, and ed25519 issues when I have more
13:33:10 <nickm> s7r has dumped a huge pile of usability improvements for ed25519 keys; I'm trying to wrap up some of the protocol issues first though
13:34:25 <nickm> also I have to finish that security policy thing
13:34:27 <nickm> and admin stuff
13:34:33 <nickm> and my coffee isn't done yet
13:34:42 <nickm> that's me.  Anybody else around?
13:35:48 <dgoulet> (I know that asn is semi-afk for the rest of the week so...)
13:36:25 <nickm> athena, Yawning: ?
13:37:03 <nickm> ok, this seems like it could be a short meeting
13:38:29 <qwerty1> i found some typos in the shared randomness proposal
13:38:34 <qwerty1> "if only if"
13:38:47 <qwerty1> "using this shared random values"
13:39:07 <qwerty1> s/advice/advise/
13:39:17 <dgoulet> qwerty1: you think you can send a diff patch on the email thread or pastebin here or anything that will make me NOT forget? :)
13:39:50 * teor has been punishing dgoulet with walls of text about shared randomness
13:40:11 <dgoulet> aha!
13:40:31 <nickm> ok, on to discussion. any discussion topics for today? :)
13:41:42 <dgoulet> I do have a question
13:42:17 <dgoulet> what's the 027 stable release date?
13:42:22 <dgoulet> (or at least feature freez)
13:42:37 <teor> Good question
13:42:42 <nickm> We'd aimed for freeze this month.  I think that we need to do freeze at the end of this month, or mid-sep, if we want a prayer of releasing on-time
13:43:04 <nickm> but! we also need to have a look at sep/oct deliverables, since ISTR there was some huge stuff landing around then
13:43:37 <dgoulet> hrm ok
13:44:19 <nickm> I realize this makes it a small-ish release and leaves lots of stuff out, but otherwise, we do a replay of the Bad Old Days
13:44:20 <dgoulet> so I guess we'll have a 027 stable after the dev meeting probably like oct/mid-oct?
13:44:35 <nickm> I hope so; though it might take a few RCs if history is any guide
13:44:40 <dgoulet> :)
13:44:44 <dgoulet> ok cool sounds good
13:44:51 <nickm> otoh, it might not, if we don't do a last-minute-merge of every huge patch we can think of
13:46:11 <dgoulet> nickm: ok so about the "maybe big" deliverables, there are in there large patch(es) to little-t tor?
13:46:40 <nickm> I don't recall; I'm hoping we can look at them all together.
13:46:40 <nickm> hm.
13:46:41 <dgoulet> nickm: if you have a list of tickets we NEED to get in 027 and are quite large, don't hesitate to send it somewhere so we can help with review
13:46:56 <dgoulet> (or at least know about them)
13:47:04 <teor> #15775 is a small code change, but a big behavioural change
13:47:11 <dgoulet> since I assume this would be mostly Sponsor U/T
13:47:48 <nickm> I think I was thinking of https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorS/IntegrationTesting
13:48:01 <nickm> though if there are intermediate milestones for https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorU/Tor I should know it
13:48:22 <nickm> isabela: do you khnow if there's a year1/year2 breakdown for SponsorU?
13:48:37 <isabela> yes
13:48:38 <isabela> three is
13:48:42 <isabela> *there
13:48:47 <isabela> let me mark
13:48:54 <nickm> cool.  Is it on the wiki anywhere?  If not, getting it onto the wiki would be great
13:49:04 <nickm> We have all that stuff going "bang" at around the same time
13:49:17 <isabela> ok
13:49:35 <isabela> the wiki does not have the part that breaks down into 2 years
13:49:41 <isabela> I will add it there
13:50:36 <nickm> great
13:51:06 <nickm> isabela: do you think it makes sense to go over the S and U first-year deliverables some time later today or this week? I'd like to know what we're on track for and what we're not and what we can get more people doing
13:52:07 <nickm> and maybe we can plan to go over it with all relevant people at the next weekly meeting, so everybody's up to speed?
13:53:28 <nickm> any other discussion topics today?
13:53:38 <dgoulet> nickm: small detail
13:53:46 <nickm> sure
13:54:08 <dgoulet> nickm: next week is the camp for which I think 90% of us will be there so expect different timezone interaction at least on my part :)
13:54:33 <nickm> ah, ok.  Maybe in that case I should plan an internal status summary email after we've been over it.  Good thinking!
13:56:04 <dgoulet> I'm ok on the discussion :)
13:56:21 <nickm> let's plan both maybe
13:56:40 <isabela> core tor is there
13:56:41 <dgoulet> I expect we'll be at the meeting here on #tor-dev
13:56:42 <isabela> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorU/Tor
13:56:48 <isabela> I will add tor browser soon
13:56:56 <nickm> thanks isabela
13:57:12 <isabela> nickm: it does makes sense
13:57:15 <nickm> great
13:57:23 <nickm> let's talk about when to talk about it after the meeting
13:57:26 <nickm> any more topics for the meeting?
13:57:29 <nickm> going once....
13:57:40 <nickm> going twice....
13:57:47 <nickm> #endmeeting