13:29:50 <nickm> #startmeeting 13:29:50 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Jul 15 13:29:50 2015 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:29:50 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:30:00 <isabela> can i have a lost in discussion to talk about mothly stuff 13:30:03 <isabela> ops 13:30:05 <isabela> slot 13:30:08 <isabela> not lost :) 13:30:31 <nickm> np 13:30:50 <nickm> dgoulet, asn_, Yawning, athena, karsten, others: are you around? :) 13:30:55 <nickm> hi teor, hi isabela 13:31:04 <karsten> yes 13:31:05 <teor> hi nickm 13:31:30 <teor> hi isabela, karsten 13:31:37 <isabela> hi! 13:31:38 <karsten> hi :) 13:32:37 <athena> hi meeting 13:32:40 <nickm> hi athena ! 13:32:43 <teor> hi athena 13:32:53 <isabela> hi athena 13:33:46 <nickm> so, let's start with our usual checkins. I think that dgoulet and asn are still at the HS meeting, and Yawning is a bit distracted by japanese politics, so I don't know if we'll see them. 13:33:54 <nickm> let's wish them well and say what we've been up to 13:33:58 <nickm> it's been a while! 13:34:06 <nickm> I'll start? 13:34:30 <nickm> I went to PETS, then took a vacation. While at PETS I livetweeted stuff. 13:34:45 <nickm> and networked with lots of people, and chatted with cryptofolks. 13:34:50 <nickm> And didn't program much! 13:35:15 <nickm> Since getting back I've been trying to get stuff solved enough to get 0.2.6.10 released (done) and 0.2.7.2-alpha released (needs a few more patches reviewed) 13:35:37 <nickm> at that point I'm going to take stock of highest-priority deliverables to make sure I actually get some done, and look for a way to get more people doing deliverables stuff :/ 13:35:59 <nickm> My highest-priority items needing review are #16580 , #16581 , #15682 13:36:02 <nickm> IIRC 13:36:06 <nickm> who's next? 13:36:50 <athena> i've been watching nick tweet about PETS and feeling envious - and chewing on #4581 still 13:37:44 <nickm> how's that going? Is there a simple version that would be easier? 13:38:36 <athena> it's coming along okay i think 13:39:00 <nickm> ok. any open issues, or just a matter of focused haxxing? 13:40:21 <athena> the latter; nothing really blocking it right now 13:40:49 <nickm> awesome 13:40:59 <nickm> any other updates? anybody else with an update? 13:41:30 <teor> I got #14175 merged, which modifies chutney verify to report bandwidth 13:41:55 <teor> and make lots of connections 13:42:07 <teor> and adds some HS templates 13:42:38 <teor> and adds arguments to tor's src/test/test-network.sh 13:43:07 <teor> This makes a number of HS bugs easier to test for 13:44:25 <teor> And I did a few reviews as part of the patch workshop. 13:44:50 <teor> Next up, fallback directories in #15775 13:44:55 <teor> I'm done 13:46:57 <nickm> ok. anybody else around? Yawning, dgoulet, asn_, etc? 13:47:03 <Yawning> hi 13:47:06 <Yawning> just got home 13:47:07 <Yawning> tired 13:47:42 <nickm> got enough energy to write a quick update for the last week? 13:47:54 <Yawning> did ed25519 13:48:01 <Yawning> then everything shat itself simultaniously 13:48:06 * karsten didn't do little-t-tor development lately and has no updates. :( (just in case you were hoping for an update) 13:48:17 <nickm> karsten: that _is_ an update :) (and thanks!) 13:50:16 <nickm> ok. so, unless anyone else has a topic, I guess it's discussion time 13:50:51 <nickm> One thing is: I'm expecting the folks who've been talking about HS stuff to return with a huge pile of ideas. And I'm hoping asn_ comes up with a draft guard algorithms... 13:51:30 <nickm> we're going to have to think about how we can retriage soon; we're getting close to our early-september planned freeze date, and we should probably look at deliverables due between now and December to make sure we're not going to miss anything 13:51:43 <nickm> that's mainly in the things-to-be-aware-of category 13:52:32 <isabela> nickm: how soon is soon? a coulpe weeks? 13:52:37 <nickm> oh sure 13:52:53 <isabela> i can help with that 13:53:17 <nickm> Also, I'd like more people thinking about AEZ as a possibility for our relay crypto if djb's HHFHFH design isn't finished and published in time for us to use, or is too hard to implement, or something like that. 13:53:32 <nickm> isabela: cool, thank you! 13:54:24 <nickm> (My attempts to get djb to pronounce HHFHFH "Hehfehlumfh" or "Huhfehlpufh" have so far failed) 13:55:21 <isabela> ok 13:55:40 <isabela> is it ok to chat now about the monthly stuff? 13:56:13 <nickm> sure! 13:56:22 <nickm> or any other topics people would like ot bring up 13:57:42 <isabela> okidoki 13:57:46 <nickm> go for it 13:58:14 <isabela> i want to try something if you all allow :) to help on a few things 13:58:37 <isabela> one, the deliverables that need to be done and nick needs help - make it easier for people to know about them and help him 13:59:32 <isabela> two, start a routine - something that we did before with the monthly update of roadmaps on the wiki.. 14:00:07 <isabela> three, with that is easier for others from others teams and others parts of tor to follow what is going on 14:00:10 <isabela> so 14:00:41 <isabela> i saw that tbb team does something like this where they tag tickets to be done for the month and ppl pick up from that tag 14:00:57 <isabela> here is mikeperry email -> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tbb-dev/2015-July/000292.html 14:01:05 <isabela> i started a tag for core tor 14:01:22 <isabela> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorCoreTeam201507 14:01:23 <teor> Excellent! I have always liked the clarity of the TBB system. 14:01:40 <isabela> with a few things that chatting with nick are deliverables we need help with 14:01:48 <isabela> i know we are in the middle of july :) 14:01:55 <isabela> but maybe we play with it and do it for real in august 14:02:08 <nickm> could work. What can we do individually to play with it this month? 14:02:09 <isabela> that's it 14:02:35 <isabela> good question - maybe look what is there and see if you can pick one of those tasks 14:02:45 <isabela> if that is something that is not there but it should be done this month 14:02:48 <isabela> add the tag to it 14:02:56 <nickm> Like, find something that should get done this month, and tag them? 14:03:01 <nickm> with which tag? 14:03:11 <isabela> TorCoreTeam201507 14:03:27 <isabela> that is the same system tor browser uses 14:04:16 <nickm> Hm. I can do stuff that I want done myself, but I don't know what everybody else is doing/planning to do. Should I just do mine, plus a couple of nice-to-have items? Or should I wing it? 14:04:29 <teor> (If I don't get #15775 done in July, I will be very disappointed in myself. Tagged TorCoreTeam201507.) 14:04:45 <nickm> thanks! 14:05:14 <isabela> nickm: everyone shares the same tag but you assign to yourself what you want to do 14:08:00 <nickm> ok, so I tag mine, and other people tag theirs? 14:08:19 <isabela> sure but we should tag things that does not have an owner too 14:08:32 <isabela> that need to be done in case someone can pick it up 14:08:39 <teor> isabela: I put #13192 in TorCoreTeam201508 and assigned it to me, as I'm not sure I will get it done this month, but I want to revise that patch next/soon. 14:09:00 <isabela> that is the point, is more about knowing what everyone considers 'next' 14:09:02 <nickm> Okay, I'm going through and doing a first pass now 14:09:07 <isabela> so people knows where to pick up from 14:09:34 <isabela> teor: is fine, if you continue next month you just change tags 14:10:01 <isabela> also think of 0.2.7 release 14:10:08 <teor> I don't have anything else for this/next month, but I will look at Nick's list once mine are done 14:10:25 <isabela> if we at the end of the month will do a tag for august we should think of the release as well 14:10:37 <isabela> teor: cool 14:11:41 <teor> #2555 might also be something I am involved in 14:12:57 <nickm> ok, I just went through the list of things in the 0.2.7.x-final milestone. 14:13:06 <isabela> (we can also chat with mikeperry on what tbb take into consideration to tag those tickets to get different perspectives) 14:13:06 <nickm> there may be more items that are deliverables but lack tickets 14:13:21 <nickm> there may be items with tickets here that I should have tagged but didn't. 14:13:24 <nickm> Still, it's a good start 14:13:40 <isabela> execelent! 14:13:53 <nickm> this is already a long list. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorCoreTeam201507 14:14:23 <nickm> anything more for this meeting? 14:14:25 <isabela> yes 14:14:34 <isabela> we use it for planing august 14:14:37 <isabela> thanks everyone! 14:14:52 <nickm> thanks isabela ! 14:15:18 <nickm> isabela: somebody should go over all the sponsor deliverable lists that include Tor items, and make sure that every item has a ticket. 14:15:29 <nickm> and link to those tickets from the deliverable lists. :) 14:15:39 <isabela> yes 14:15:40 <nickm> #endmeeting