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15:00:25 <dgoulet> that's crazy pants high
15:00:28 <Yawning> wtf
15:00:29 <asn> it's now right?
15:00:30 <asn> or not?
15:00:33 <dgoulet> oh! yeah R
15:00:36 <asn> ok
15:00:38 * karsten is also here, but maybe not for the full hour.
15:00:41 <asn> guys i don't have much time.
15:00:41 <Yawning> yarrrrrrrrrr
15:00:56 <asn> so for the past week I mainly produced the patch to #15744
15:01:11 <asn> and since then I've been looking at heartbeat logs and enjoying the view.
15:01:22 <asn> also ACKed aaron's tech report revision.
15:01:33 <asn> and that's that from me. i'm currently in a library, studying for computational number theory.
15:01:36 <asn> next?
15:02:08 * syverson can say a little.
15:02:16 <asn> syverson: please
15:02:57 <syverson> I mostly talked with Aaron and Rob about direct (or whatever) onion design and argued about terminology.
15:03:30 <syverson> Hard to say other things succinctly since mind is elsewhere. Guess I'm done.
15:03:49 <asn> any new insights on the design part?
15:04:10 <asn> (next?)
15:04:13 <Yawning> Is #6411 R?  Cuz if so, it's merged into master now, have fun y'all.  If not, it'll still probably be useful.
15:04:21 <syverson> Not really. I guess we were mostly talking requirements.
15:04:22 * isabela around finishing reports
15:04:28 <Yawning> ^_^
15:04:29 <asn> syverson: ack
15:04:35 <dgoulet> Yawning: it's not but it's neat ! :)
15:04:40 <asn> Yawning: yep!
15:04:47 <Yawning> I keep hearing conflicting things about if it's R or not
15:04:55 <dgoulet> Yawning: check the keywords on the ticket
15:04:56 <asn> next?
15:04:58 <Yawning> it's prolly useful to doing hs dev
15:05:01 <dgoulet> asn: O/
15:05:06 <asn> dgoulet: please
15:05:21 <asn> or karsten if you are faster.
15:05:26 <asn> (since you also want to leave)
15:05:43 * karsten read aaron's tech report, merged changes to his branch,
15:05:48 <dgoulet> my R is basically: #15816, #15801, and random intro2 patch
15:06:00 <karsten> did something for the intro point lifetime thing (unless that was before last tuesday..). done.
15:06:13 <asn> dgoulet: ok you are handling the new found bug?
15:06:16 <Yawning> (oh yeah, I guess me root causing 15816 was R :P)
15:06:27 <dgoulet> asn: yeah, I'm almost done with 15816, I'll jump on 15801
15:06:28 <asn> dgoulet: good to see that someone is looking into #15801
15:06:31 <asn> great
15:06:53 <asn> dgoulet: btw, will you write the monthly report for april? due on the 7th of may or so.
15:07:03 <asn> dgoulet: you should definitely include the findings of hsdir health tool.
15:07:04 <dgoulet> asn: yes I will, noted down that I have to do that
15:07:09 <asn> dgoulet: cheers
15:07:14 <asn> karsten: ack
15:07:36 <asn> ok, anything we would like to discuss?
15:07:55 <dgoulet> asn: what do you want to do with the current intro1 cells we are counting?
15:08:04 <asn> dgoulet: let's collect a nice data set
15:08:10 <asn> and then pass it ot karsten
15:08:19 <dgoulet> asn: ok!
15:08:26 <asn> to crunch it up
15:08:27 <karsten> sounds good.
15:08:35 <dgoulet> and at some point make a decision on the 16384 if sane or not
15:08:43 <asn> karsten: this is going to be log parsing this time. hope it's not too hard.
15:08:58 <asn> dgoulet: indeed.
15:09:27 <asn> dgoulet: i see let's collect data for a week more or so.
15:09:43 <asn> we could also send a small sample to karsten, if he wants to write parsing tools in advance.
15:09:44 <dgoulet> ok
15:09:53 <karsten> asn: sure.
15:10:07 <asn> karsten: you have things for this week?
15:10:20 <asn> if not, sending you a small sample, might  give you things to do.
15:10:44 <karsten> sounds great. I don't have R things to do for the week yet.
15:10:49 <asn> ok
15:11:03 <asn> dgoulet: can you send karsten a smaple of the heartbeats and the "Noting down" logs?
15:11:15 <asn> like 10 heartbeats, and 100 noting down logs?
15:11:38 <karsten> these are public?
15:11:42 <karsten> or can be?
15:12:03 <dgoulet> asn: sure
15:12:11 <asn> i'm ok with making them public. we've been sharing them over IRC all the time.
15:12:18 <karsten> ok.
15:12:19 <asn> i wouldn't upload them to the trac ticket
15:12:28 <karsten> too large?
15:12:45 <asn> maybe too permanent. but maybe it doesn't matter.
15:13:03 <asn> i think we are ok with the final graphs being public.
15:13:10 <asn> so maybe the data can be too.
15:13:16 <asn> i'm not sure, sorry i havent thought about this too much.
15:13:19 <karsten> would be my preference.
15:13:27 <karsten> decide later?
15:13:34 <asn> maybe.
15:13:44 <asn> dgoulet: feel free to send the sample on the trac ticket.
15:13:45 <dgoulet> ok so for now karsten, i'Ll pm the data
15:13:46 <asn> for now.
15:13:49 <asn> ah or that.
15:13:54 <dgoulet> I'm confused haha
15:14:16 <asn> i meant to say that i wouldn't upload the full data set to the trac ticket.
15:14:22 <asn> but a sample can be ok.
15:14:33 <asn> we can decide on the full data set later?
15:14:38 <dgoulet> ah ok well karsten has a 28h-ish sample for now
15:14:41 <dgoulet> sure
15:14:42 <asn> perfect
15:14:45 <asn> ok that's ok for now.
15:14:48 <karsten> can we take out exact timestamps?
15:14:57 <karsten> and just keep days?
15:15:13 <asn> i think that's ok
15:15:27 <asn> there are some extra statistics we could do with exact timestamps, but not the primary ones i have in mind.
15:15:37 <asn> so it seems ok to sanitize them for public  display.
15:16:13 <nickm> rehi
15:16:29 <nickm> sorry about absence; today is serious bureaucracy day
15:16:32 <asn> the obvious stats we want is:
15:16:39 <asn> - histogram of introductions per circuit
15:16:43 <asn> - lifetime of intro circuit
15:16:52 <asn> - *histogram of lifetimes of intro circuits
15:17:02 <asn> and none of them requires timetsamps
15:17:25 <asn> karsten: i can tell you about what these log lines mean later this week.
15:17:32 <karsten> ok
15:17:35 <asn> ok great
15:17:38 <asn> anything else guys?
15:17:51 <dgoulet> for R, I'm good
15:17:56 <karsten> yep
15:17:58 <asn> ok me too.
15:18:02 <syverson> me too.
15:18:06 <asn> i will be doing exams all this week and the next one.
15:18:13 <karsten> good luck with that!
15:18:16 <asn> someone else will probably do the meeting next week, but i might be able to attend.
15:18:21 <asn> thanks
15:18:22 <asn> #endmeeting