16:01:51 #startmeeting SponsorR 16:01:51 Meeting started Wed Feb 18 16:01:51 2015 UTC. The chair is asn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:54 that's the right way to do it. 16:02:05 OK, so who is around now? 16:02:08 Is this even the right time? 16:02:17 * karsten is around 16:02:21 great karsten 16:02:27 syverson should coming 16:03:13 … not that we should wait for him 16:03:16 ok 16:03:20 so let's start with status reports 16:03:25 over the past week 16:03:32 for sponsorr 16:03:35 i fixed up the blog post. 16:03:40 now it's on blog.toprproject.org but unpublished 16:03:48 i'm still waiting for kate to look at it. 16:03:49 when will it be published ? 16:03:51 ok 16:04:12 and i also look a bit more at AnonStats1 and AnonStats3 16:04:15 i just posted some thoughts on [tor-dev] 16:04:20 but we can discuss more later. 16:04:25 and that's that for SponsorR. 16:04:31 whos next? 16:04:34 ok i can be quick 16:04:37 yes ohmygodel 16:04:38 i worked on peerflow 16:04:51 deadline next monday 16:04:54 thats pretty much it 16:04:59 makes sense 16:05:03 good luck with the deadline 16:05:06 karsten: ? 16:05:09 * ohmygodel need sit 16:05:14 sure 16:05:26 I worked on teor's #13192 patch together with dgoulet. 16:05:39 interesting edge cases with floats and ints.. 16:05:41 yes thx for that. still on my TOREVIEW list. 16:05:43 "interesting" 16:05:49 on the current code? 16:06:16 there are triggerabe edge cases on the current code? 16:06:19 yes. though I think it's mostly relevant for certain compilers, not all. 16:06:30 ok 16:06:35 I didn't follow the latest changes on the ticket. 16:06:36 too crazy. 16:06:42 it's fine 16:06:56 ah, cool. thanks for working on that Yawning. 16:06:58 now, after the fixes 16:07:11 np, floats, are fun, let's go shopping 16:07:14 :) 16:07:17 ok 16:07:33 so, I also worked on improving the extrapolation code towards running it every hour on the metrics server. 16:07:33 and you also posted that code about calculating the graphs every one hour 16:07:38 yep. 16:07:49 that's also on my TOREVIEW list. but this is looking worse. 16:07:50 it's running right now, and it's producing new data every hour. 16:08:02 because it's java, which I don't speak very well. 16:08:03 yeah, it's not tiny. 16:08:06 and it's java. 16:08:11 and also it's big, and not much documentation. 16:08:14 i would suggest 16:08:18 you point out specific areas that you want review 16:08:19 what documentation would you want to see? 16:08:32 what the functions do in each step 16:08:43 like an overview doc? 16:08:45 i looked a bit at the Extrpolate.ava or something 16:08:47 or inline comments 16:08:58 but i didn't have enough time to reverse engineer the code 16:09:08 inline comments I think 16:09:11 ok. 16:09:14 I'll write some. 16:09:20 or maybe suggest me a specific area to look at. 16:09:26 the one that is more prone to failure. 16:09:30 or more fiddly 16:09:35 ok. 16:09:40 will do both. 16:09:44 ok 16:09:45 that's all from me. 16:09:54 otherwise this review would have been a week-long project. 16:10:04 yep. 16:10:11 ok thanks for that karsten 16:10:13 anyone else around? 16:10:14 dgoulet: ? 16:10:23 maybe not. 16:10:26 * syverson can go. 16:10:39 syverson: ah hello 16:10:40 yes! 16:11:03 Completed and submitted Memex monthly report. 16:11:14 Also worked on PeerFlow. 16:11:17 That's it. 16:11:41 great thx 16:11:55 ok 16:11:59 so status reports are done 16:12:02 let's go to discussion 16:12:06 what would you like to talk about? 16:12:22 Unfortunately, I'm still unsure on what to do about the stats part over the next month. 16:12:25 I will have to consult nick or something. 16:12:39 or roger... 16:12:48 you are trying to decide on what to work on, right? 16:12:51 yeah... 16:13:15 so this last week you looked at some of the AnonStats suggestions i had made 16:13:16 I still believe that the stats aggregation thing should have priority, but it looks like a research project. 16:13:20 yes 16:13:47 I'm not very happy with the AnonStats privacy guarantees right now. 16:14:00 and then you were going to think about either doing that or some of the stats that dont need anonymization 16:14:03 yeah asn i read your email 16:14:25 yeah 16:14:27 that was the dillema 16:14:50 my plan is to do something useful next week, and discuss the dillema it in person in Valencia. 16:15:21 fwiw, I think AnonStats is a nice idea. 16:15:27 it's just that more research needs to be done I think 16:15:35 btw my response to your concern is that yes, you may learn the popularity of the pseudonymous most-popular HS, but you can probably learn that anyway from the total popularity. pseudonymous popularity is not a privacy concern we had raised 16:16:09 it's not only most-popular though. 16:16:20 maybe over a big enough period, you are also able to get the popularity of other popular HSes too. 16:16:45 yes that is a possibility as well 16:16:48 yes, in a pseudonymous fashion. 16:17:13 i don't know. 16:17:23 i just think that this is not quite ready to write a proposal of right now. 16:17:40 it's more like a paper that needs to be written or something. 16:17:41 if pseudonymity isnt enough, then it wont work 16:18:32 that paper would get in nowhere. maybe hotpets haha 16:18:48 because its trivial and uninteresting 16:19:06 not trivial. but not very interesting yeah. 16:19:22 I'm guessing the chair wouldn't accept that paper. 16:19:25 although im excited by the possibility of applying the secure multiparty computation stuff that research people tell me has become practical 16:19:40 FYI all ohmygodel is the next HotPETs chair. 16:19:41 so if thats the direction were heading, :-D 16:20:02 :) 16:20:36 ohmygodel: do you have any suggestions here? my current intuition is to wait till Valencia and discuss these things in person. 16:20:45 but then we won't have enough time to produce any big outcome by April. 16:21:13 hm 16:21:13 again I think I am a bad person to take decisions here. 16:21:24 maybe I'm not YOLO enough. 16:21:30 it would be helpful to get rogers input 16:21:41 i don't think we can get that before valencia ;) 16:21:55 without bugging him considerably. 16:21:56 he tends to be decisive. not sure about yolo though 16:21:59 but nick could help. 16:22:12 roger knows sponsor r better 16:22:17 yes ture 16:22:18 true 16:22:28 OK, maybe I can shoot a mail to Roger and ask for directions? 16:22:44 yeah that seems like a good idea 16:22:55 if hes happy with fewer hard results this next quarter, then great 16:22:59 asn: if you do, be clear that if he needs to think about the answer, he should instead put you in contact with some person XYZ who can give you a faster answer :) 16:23:09 that's what I do 16:23:14 ack 16:23:22 OK, then I can send that email. 16:23:29 And also do some work on #8243. 16:23:36 so that I get a bit of change. 16:24:11 sounds good 16:24:13 Anything else we should discuss? 16:24:45 i have nothing to discuss 16:24:50 (I also need to review #13192 and karsten's java. so not sure how much time there will be for #8243) 16:24:53 ohmygodel: ok no problem. 16:25:06 asn: feel free to prioritize #8243. 16:25:21 I'll need some time to comment things better anyway. 16:25:41 agreed that reviewing #13192 is worthwhile. 16:26:04 OK. 16:26:19 another thing we should discuss durign valencia 16:26:24 is the "enable stats by default" thing. 16:26:28 yep. 16:26:43 I feel that real life discussion will be better for this. 16:27:07 thats a good idea 16:27:12 we should keep a list of these things 16:27:13 syverson: also, I read your email about changing the HS terminology in steps, and not all at once and officially. 16:27:20 syverson: i think that might be reasonable. 16:28:06 but not for this blog post. this one is long done. 16:28:26 OK, so we can call this meeting done for now. 16:28:35 OK. Maybe a little more chat in Valencia on that too. 16:28:36 I'm also quite tired of computer screens today. 16:28:43 syverson: absolutely 16:28:48 im adding valencia discussion topics to tho sponsor r page 16:28:49 * asn notes it down 16:28:54 under the “meeting notes” section 16:28:59 is that on the first two days or the last? 16:29:00 ohmygodel: maybe add it to the valencia page? 16:29:01 please add ideas 16:29:06 whats the valencia page ? 16:29:07 i have added some 16:29:10 because I'm only going to be there on the first two days. 16:29:13 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2015WinterDevMeeting#SessionsNotes 16:29:23 karsten: we will do it whenever you are there 16:29:31 ok ill add there instead. thanks! 16:29:32 cool :) 16:29:48 OK great. 16:29:57 Thanks for the meeting guys :) 16:30:08 next meeting on tue? 16:30:11 yes 16:30:16 that's my understanding. 16:30:19 great. thanks for running this meeting. as always. :) 16:30:19 yeah well have a paper draft to share 16:30:22 do you think I should send mail to clarify? 16:30:28 ohmygodel: good luck with that! 16:30:35 ohmygodel: syverson yes good luck! 16:30:39 thanks ! 16:30:47 Same bat time same bat channel. (Says the old man.) 16:30:54 :) 16:30:56 #endmeeting