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18:00:17 <hellais> #topic people present
18:00:40 <hellais> so who is here say #info <MY NICK> present
18:00:45 <hellais> #info hellais present
18:00:46 <aagbsn> #info aagbsn present
18:02:10 <hellais> anadahz: say #info anadahz present
18:02:39 <anadahz> #info anadahz present
18:03:10 <sbs> #info sbs present
18:03:30 <anadahz> hellais: configuring an irc bot?
18:03:31 <asn> you don't need to do that i think. meetingbot usually includes everyone who utters a word.
18:03:56 <hellais> asn: ah I see, well it's also to test out it's features a bit
18:04:09 <asn> absolutely
18:04:46 <hellais> anyways let's get started I guess
18:04:54 <hellais> #topic this week in OONI
18:05:55 <hellais> so last week there was the OpenITP circumvention tech festival and although we were all present there it may still be good to recap what useful outcome we got from it
18:07:37 <aagbsn> I met and spoke with a number of people who were interested in using OONI, including BBC who want to know where they are blocked
18:07:44 <aagbsn> that might be an interesting project
18:07:55 <hellais> during the tor hackfest days we came up with this roadmap: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/roadmaps/OONI
18:08:08 <hellais> #link OONI roadmap https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/roadmaps/OONI
18:08:44 <hellais> there is a lot of stuff missing, but it's a good start
18:09:14 <hellais> aagbsn: on that topic we should start making a collective address book of people
18:09:30 <hellais> I will make a git repository for it and we can update a vcard file in it
18:10:10 <aagbsn> not sure we should put peoples contact info on a public git
18:10:26 <hellais> we also did a hackfest in a room that was supposed to be for 15 people, but so many people showed up that we had to relocate to a bigger room
18:11:04 <hellais> some interesting discussions happenned there and some people wanted to get access to the mongodb
18:11:28 <hellais> I instructed them to give me their RSA key and some description of who they are and I will give them a shell
18:11:36 <hellais> #link OONI workshop hackfest announcement https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/ooni-dev/2015-March/000258.html
18:11:56 <hellais> aagbsn: not a public git, a private one :P
18:12:06 <aagbsn> ok, just to clarify :)
18:12:35 <anadahz> many people where highly interested in the Raspberry Pi implementation of OONI
18:14:13 <sbs> I made the aquaintance with all of you, spoke with people interested in OONI measurements w/ hellais and anadahz on Friday (including BBC folks), and I started integrating code to do traceroute on Linux-like systems into libight (code contributed by folks at the University of Pisa, Italy)
18:14:35 <anadahz> we have established some connections to deploy ooniprobe in countries such as Venezuela, Egypt and Cyprus
18:15:34 <hellais> We also did a session at the ICD event on questions people would like answered with OONI
18:15:43 <hellais> You can find the list of questions here:
18:15:51 <hellais> #link questions to be answered with OONI https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2015WinterDevMeeting/Notes/OONI-ICD-Questions
18:17:29 <hellais> flargleblarf: are you here?
18:18:07 <flargleblarf> yes, I am !
18:18:15 <hellais> we also explored what funding opportunities were possible and spoke a bit with OTF about our pending proposals
18:18:37 <hellais> the conclusions was that it does not matter if we submit one whole proposal all together or each a separate one
18:18:56 <hellais> they advised us to not submit one all together, but to each submit our one (CPP, ORG, OONI)
18:19:13 <flargleblarf> interesting
18:19:30 <hellais> I think we should take their advise and go this route
18:19:37 <aagbsn> they did advise to reference the other proposals
18:19:42 <hellais> hence scorporate the OONI stuff from the ORG and CPP one
18:19:49 <hellais> and cross reference them
18:19:53 <hellais> aagbsn: exactly
18:20:02 <flargleblarf> that makes sense
18:20:55 <flargleblarf> it also makes management of the funds easier
18:21:24 <aagbsn> also met with a person who had set up OONI but could not find their measurements on our infrastructure
18:21:55 <flargleblarf> that might be due to the discrepancies between the two report mirrors and the mongodb
18:22:06 <hellais> aagbsn: ah yeah we figured it out
18:22:17 <hellais> it's not available on ooni.tpo because the sync with that is not setup
18:22:26 <hellais> but it on pipeline.infra.ooni.nu
18:22:26 <flargleblarf> the two mirrors are not synced and are behind the mongodb
18:22:40 <aagbsn> oh, we need to update our website to point to that link, it isn't there last I checked
18:22:52 <hellais> no
18:23:02 <hellais> we need to change the DNS of reports.ooni.nu to point to it
18:23:14 <flargleblarf> is that the same as the data available through mongo ?
18:23:18 <aagbsn> this person was running OONI in spain
18:23:20 <hellais> yes
18:23:54 <hellais> flargleblarf: yes
18:24:18 <hellais> aagbsn: he confimed that his reports where amongst these: http://pipeline.infra.ooni.nu/ES/
18:24:27 <aagbsn> ah ok, glad you spoke with him further :)
18:25:30 <hellais> so in other news the project for measuring censorship circumvention tools in Iran started this month
18:25:37 <flargleblarf> hellais: we're now using calls to the mongo db to process the reports, but I had already made a grabber for the yaml files before I discovered the absence in data
18:26:01 <hellais> flargleblarf: ah cool, can you push that code to some repository?
18:26:07 <hellais> flargleblarf: ooni-app would be a good choice
18:27:25 <hellais> #link ooni-app github repository https://github.com/thetorproject/ooni-app
18:27:40 <flargleblarf> hellais: its a bit rough for now, and filters only for bridge reports. I'd rather focus on updating the bridge viz
18:28:10 <flargleblarf> hellais: is the ooni-reader defunct ?
18:28:14 <hellais> ok, though if it already does something why not commit it :P
18:28:26 <hellais> flargleblarf: yeah ooni-reader is going to soon be deprecated
18:28:36 <hellais> it doesn't make sense anymore once the data is in mongodb
18:29:19 <hellais> are there any other things to be said on updates from the last couple weeks?
18:35:24 <hellais> in that case let's move oin
18:35:29 <hellais> #topic next steps
18:35:59 <hellais> this week I think we will mainly work on analysing the censorship circumvention tools we have selected for the iran study
18:36:16 <hellais> we will write up a document explaining how they work and an OONI test specification
18:36:55 <hellais> sbs said he will reach out to anna masera about doing the OONI open data hackfest at the italian parliament
18:37:17 <hellais> I will work on preparing the proposal for it to send to OTF for funding
18:37:41 <hellais> we are yet unsure of the exact dates, but it will probably be sometime in the end of April beginning of May
18:38:17 <hellais> on the 13th I will be at Oxford for a workshop on philosophy and internet engineering
18:38:36 <hellais> a bunch of engineers meet with a bunch of philosophers and pose them questions they would like answered
18:38:48 <hellais> I plan to submit the ethics of network measurement question
18:38:53 <sbs> hellais: cool
18:39:57 <anadahz> hellais: do you have a link of this workshop?
18:41:13 <hellais> anadahz: no, but I can forward you the program
18:42:47 <hellais> other things to discuss, or next steps?
18:45:22 <anadahz> Many VPN providers on the openITP festival were requesting a test to check if their VPN services are/were censored in various countries and ISPs.
18:45:34 <hellais> yes indeed
18:45:45 <hellais> we should reach out to them and ask them for the list of IPs to test
18:46:07 <hellais> we should actually reach out to the developers/maintainers of all the tools/services we test
18:47:22 <hellais> let's schedule to meet up tomorrow anadahz and aagbsn to talk about this project in particular
18:47:32 <hellais> and assign the various tasks
18:47:45 <hellais> after this is over I will send you the material I have prepared today on it
18:47:51 <aagbsn> ok
18:48:17 <aagbsn> what time tomorrow should we coordinate? I have an appointment between 8-10am
18:48:22 <hellais> I will also take care of merging the obfs4 pull request
18:48:28 <aagbsn> or rather, someone is arriving to fixing the heating around then
18:48:33 <hellais> aagbsn: is 11am good?
18:48:44 <aagbsn> yes, or I will update you before then
18:48:44 <hellais> ok even noon
18:48:54 <hellais> I will be busy in the afternoon though
18:48:59 <hellais> from 2-3pm onward
18:49:01 <aagbsn> lets aim for 11
18:49:05 <hellais> great
18:49:32 <hellais> anything else?
18:49:52 <anadahz> hellais: aagbsn 11 is good for me
18:50:55 <hellais> anadahz: cool
18:51:06 <sbs> I lost part of the meeting because my connection sucks, anyway, I will do some work to compile libight on Android and continue work on adding the traceroute code
18:51:29 <hellais> sbs: ack
18:51:37 <hellais> well thanks for attending the meeting
18:52:11 <anadahz> hellais: had an idea about a public website for submitting blocked/censored websites..
18:53:04 <hellais> anadahz: yeah I started work on that today actually
18:53:07 <hellais> https://github.com/citizenlab/test-lists/pull/4
18:53:20 <hellais> for the moment I reorganised a bit the repo of the test-lists
18:53:35 <hellais> but I plan to add the "add" command that will check to see if the url is there and if not add it
18:53:57 <hellais> then commit the change and submit a pull request from a github account
18:54:19 <hellais> anyways I don't think this is at the moment high priority, so let's defer this to another time
18:55:38 <aagbsn> nice, that is a good project. we had several people ask about lists at CTS
18:56:02 <aagbsn> and I mentioned to citizenlab that I point people at them for lists
18:56:28 <aagbsn> is that project multilingual?
18:57:30 <aagbsn> anadahz: this is a good idea
18:57:52 <aagbsn> i'm not aware of an internationalized submission system that publishes the lists
18:58:03 <aagbsn> but it's not a very complex project, I think...
19:02:25 <aagbsn> alright all - I'm out for dinner
19:03:57 <hellais> #endmeeting