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[17:03:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic welcome<br />
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[17:03:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi everybody :)<br />
[17:03:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hey all!<br />
[17:03:19] &lt;b457144n&gt; hi!<br />
[17:03:24] &lt;aferti&gt; hi!<br />
[17:03:26] * h01ger = Holger Levsen, debian developer, from hamburg, germnay<br />
[17:03:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Meetings#Agenda<br />
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[17:03:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; meetbot is now more quiet :)<br />
[17:04:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic welcome & who is writing the summary<br />
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[17:04:42] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; anyone volunteering?<br />
[17:04:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; please keep introducing yourself. we also need a volunteer to write the summary of this meeting. meetbot helps by providing some notes at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.20080124_1702.html<br />
[17:05:33] * crazy-chris = Chris Hager, Summary Writer, Developer, Vienna<br />
[17:05:50] * atodorov = Alexander Todorov, Red Hat QE Engineer, from Sofia, Bulgaria (usually based in Brno,Czech Republic)<br />
[17:06:04] * b457144n = Bastiaan Bakker, software developer in Zoetermeer, the Netherlands<br />
[17:06:13] * nbd = Felix Fietkau, OpenWrt Lead Developer, Hamburg, Germany<br />
[17:06:23] * Gregor_de support building German OLPC grassroots Organizations, go to Ethiopia for 2 months<br />
[17:06:31] &lt;aferti&gt; = Andriani Ferti, legal intern, OLPC, attorney, Cambridge, MA/ Athens, Greece.<br />
[17:06:50] &lt;groupsky&gt; groupsky = Geno Roupsky, Developer, Sofia<br />
[17:07:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats a nice group :-)) now we just need a volunteer for the summary...<br />
[17:07:42] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; can do this time<br />
[17:07:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi yokoy, backlog at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080124_1702.html<br />
[17:08:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, \o/ thanks!<br />
[17:08:20] &lt;yokoy&gt; hi & thx<br />
[17:08:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3. Information Flow<br />
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[17:08:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.1 Information Flow - What are all people currently working on and interested in?<br />
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[17:09:04] * crazy-chris is working on xo-get and the developer program, which we hope to bring to europe in february<br />
[17:09:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris also suggest to start the meeting with the brief question "do we still agree to the Vision, and we want move on from here" - (silence is agreement here. just comment if you dont :)<br />
[17:09:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; suggested<br />
[17:09:35] &lt;atodorov&gt; /me, groupsky, ( h_ivano1 ) and few more, working on local OLPC group in Bulgaria. l10n, presentations. we've just started recently<br />
[17:10:02] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; we (Marco, Jens and Me) plan do go to Ethiopia for 2 months for diploma, we are highly interested in OLPC education concepts<br />
[17:10:13] * h01ger is preparing the OLPC europe fosdem event<br />
[17:10:38] * h01ger is trying to find out what will happen at CeBIT regarding olpc.eu<br />
[17:10:51] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; oh yes, that's all working out<br />
[17:11:18] * h01ger is working on debian packages for the X0 and on OLCP germany...<br />
[17:11:19] &lt;aferti&gt; I am working on ip legal issues/ free content/ open source policy issues at 1cc. Interested in contributing to the Vision in Europe.<br />
[17:11:20] &lt;b457144n&gt; olpc-nl has had its second meeting last weekend. Some people are now working on lobbying to implement OLPC for all primary kids in NL. = ca. 1.5 million kids<br />
[17:12:05] &lt;b457144n&gt; in say 2 or 3 years<br />
[17:12:11] * yokoy working on olpc-de and -at<br />
[17:12:43] &lt;yokoy&gt; b457144n: fine<br />
[17:12:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; atodorov, please create the presentation with software which can be used on linux. (not that i suspect you will, but some presentations were made as mac os only...)<br />
[17:13:16] &lt;b457144n&gt; coming friday: a small sugar-jhbuild hands on session to get people started<br />
[17:13:20] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01lger: I'm converting exactly such one. Using only OOo<br />
[17:13:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; atodorov, heh. great :)<br />
[17:13:37] * Gregor_de working on olpc-de<br />
[17:13:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; there is also a german pilot (in a school) coming up, but no more public news yet...<br />
[17:14:00] * crazy-chris waves to all french people (any around?)<br />
[17:14:18] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can keep the topic pilots for later<br />
[17:14:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed we still agree to the Vision, and we want move on from here<br />
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[17:14:34] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01ger: can we list in the wiki all pilots coming up in Europe?<br />
[17:14:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, right, didnt see it on the agenda...<br />
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[17:14:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots<br />
[17:14:55] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; please add all pilots there<br />
[17:14:56] &lt;atodorov&gt; ahh, 10x<br />
[17:14:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; atodorov, sure, its a wiki, please go ahead. i'd say such a list is very useful, esp. if it has contact info..<br />
[17:15:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic i'd say...<br />
[17:15:23] &lt;yokoy&gt; h01ger: yes<br />
[17:15:24] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[17:15:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.2 Information Flow - Monthly (or Bi-Monthly) OLPC Europe Newsletter<br />
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[17:15:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; and 3.3 is Newsletters of participants?<br />
[17:15:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; whats the difference, dont they belong together?<br />
[17:16:10] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, maybe 3.3 is more related to 4<br />
[17:16:12] * h01ger likes the idea, it "just" needs someone to do that<br />
[17:16:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; how to keep ourself informed<br />
[17:16:24] * h01ger nods<br />
[17:16:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; and edits the agenda :)<br />
[17:16:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i can volunteer with the first newsletter, if we have a way to collect the infos<br />
[17:16:52] &lt;yokoy&gt; information flow: first monthly, later more often when there is more content<br />
[17:16:54] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; which we can talk on topic 4<br />
[17:17:03] &lt;samy&gt; hello/bonjour<br />
[17:17:05] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01ger: all -eu groups can send info once a month to somebody<br />
[17:17:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi samy, backlog at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080124_1702.html<br />
[17:17:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; do we agree on a monthly newsletter?<br />
[17:17:29] * h01ger thinks monthly is great<br />
[17:17:37] * atodorov also <br />
[17:17:38] * yokoy agrees<br />
[17:17:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; more often is more work and less often is not good<br />
[17:17:45] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; jup<br />
[17:17:51] &lt;aferti&gt; yes<br />
[17:17:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed we want a monthly newsletter<br />
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[17:17:59] * b457144n agrees<br />
[17:18:11] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; perfect then. i start working for the first one and anyone please join!<br />
[17:18:18] &lt;atodorov&gt; newsletter may be published at local groups sites to get people informed what's going on around Europe<br />
[17:18:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action crazy-chris will collect, create and send out the first one<br />
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[17:18:54] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; question: should newsletters be archieved? Maybe at wiki.lapop.org?<br />
[17:19:08] * crazy-chris thinks yes<br />
[17:19:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; yes, they should be archived.. wiki.l.o sounds like a good place<br />
[17:19:12] &lt;atodorov&gt; better yes<br />
[17:19:40] &lt;yokoy&gt; hm, normal textfile is better IMHO<br />
[17:19:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; and collecting the bits in git and publish the compiled one in the wiki?<br />
[17:19:50] * h01ger nods yokoy<br />
[17:20:01] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes<br />
[17:20:03] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; wiki is good for creating newsletters also<br />
[17:20:09] &lt;atodorov&gt; no objections<br />
[17:20:17] &lt;atodorov&gt; ^^^ text file<br />
[17:20:17] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; h01ger: good idea<br />
[17:20:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; having textfiles in git also allows a team to work on it and sharing halfwritten entries<br />
[17:20:55] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we'll develop the best way in the next month's<br />
[17:20:59] &lt;yokoy&gt; Gregor_de: somebody is creating the newsletter, lets send him email about the news<br />
[17:21:01] * h01ger suggest thats crazy-chris, who will create the first one, will solve the implementation details ;-) (with our help via irc or list)<br />
[17:21:28] * crazy-chris agrees. I and anyone who wants to join will figure that out.<br />
[17:21:33] * h01ger thinks it would be good to settle on a first publish date<br />
[17:21:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; when is fosdem?<br />
[17:21:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; in three weeks? 2? 4?<br />
[17:21:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; 23+24.february<br />
[17:21:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; 23+24.february is fosdem<br />
[17:22:05] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; just after that?<br />
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[17:22:07] &lt;atodorov&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Newsletter - 1st Feb for the 1st newsletter<br />
[17:22:30] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i can't do it in this one week alone<br />
[17:22:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed we will be collecting the bits in git and publish the compiled one in the wiki.  crazy-chris, who will create the first one, will solve the implementation details - with our help via irc or list<br />
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[17:22:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, i think its too long til fosdem<br />
[17:23:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; qiute the contrary, it would be good to have one by fosdem :)<br />
[17:23:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Newsletter<br />
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[17:23:35] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay. for example around 10. feb<br />
[17:23:52] * yokoy do not think git is a good solution for newsletters<br />
[17:24:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can discuss the rest on the list and move on?<br />
[17:24:11] &lt;yokoy&gt; ok<br />
[17:24:13] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; jup<br />
[17:24:33] * h01ger forgot that the way atodorov gave the link is fine for meetbot too. links have to be in the beginning or prepended with #link, then meetbot will pick them up<br />
[17:25:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed the first newsletter should be published before fosdem (23+24.feb)<br />
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[17:25:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed for example around 10. feb<br />
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[17:25:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4. Information Infrastructure<br />
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[17:25:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4.1 Information Infrastructure - Newsletters of participants<br />
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[17:26:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; anything else to say about this? (/me following the agenda..)<br />
[17:26:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can discuss this after the first newsletter again<br />
[17:26:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; maybe we have time to discuss yokoys doubts later at "any other business"..<br />
[17:26:52] * h01ger nods, next<br />
[17:27:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4.2 Information Infrastructure - Homepage (this), Domain names, and the future<br />
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[17:27:21] &lt;atodorov&gt; what about olpc.eu domain ?<br />
[17:27:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; so. there are: olpceurope.org and olpc-europe.org and olpc.eu<br />
[17:27:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; all taken?<br />
[17:27:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; the first two we registered with aaron<br />
[17:27:47] &lt;atodorov&gt; olpc.eu is taken<br />
[17:27:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah. he<br />
[17:27:55] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; by one of us here?<br />
[17:28:03] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; great chris<br />
[17:28:12] &lt;yokoy&gt; olpc.de, too :-/<br />
[17:28:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; Registrar:<br />
[17:28:12] &lt;h01ger&gt;    Name:      Vof VIP Hosting<br />
[17:28:12] &lt;h01ger&gt;    Website:   www.vip-hosting.nl<br />
[17:28:26] &lt;atodorov&gt; we can ask them to donate it<br />
[17:28:32] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; maybe so should try to get in contact with olpc.eu registrar<br />
[17:28:33] &lt;b457144n&gt; olpc.nl likewise, but different domain squatter<br />
[17:28:37] * h01ger thinks olpc-europe.org is nice as we have it, but www.eu.laptop.org would also work for me<br />
[17:28:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, that doesn't really matter<br />
[17:28:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; Gregor_de, we are no legal entity<br />
[17:29:16] * b457144n does not really care about domain names<br />
[17:29:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea we (olpc.at to be specific) own  olpceurope.org and olpc-europe.org<br />
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[17:29:21] &lt;atodorov&gt; olpc-bg is using university hosting and 3rd level domain, works for us<br />
[17:29:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; not olpc-austria. we<br />
[17:29:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea olpc.eu (and olpc.de and olpc.nl) are domainsquatted<br />
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[17:29:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; like we here<br />
[17:29:48] &lt;atodorov&gt; olpc-europe.org is more readable<br />
[17:29:56] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; agree<br />
[17:30:00] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; why not stick to the main domain and sublevel, like <country>.[eu].laptop.org<br />
[17:30:17] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; and eu.laptop.org to be gathering point<br />
[17:30:30] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; well, this might take a while<br />
[17:30:30] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; thus keeping one url for all the things?<br />
[17:30:35] &lt;atodorov&gt; I prefer <country>.laptop.org, as with debian domains<br />
[17:30:46] * h01ger thinks a domain is mostly good to print on business cards. then it should redirect to wiki.laptop.org ;)<br />
[17:30:50] &lt;atodorov&gt; eu.l.o is good for a gathering point<br />
[17:30:57] * h01ger nods h_ivanov <br />
[17:31:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; what could be the first purposes of that domains<br />
[17:31:15] &lt;b457144n&gt; olpc-europe.org would be best for a separate legal entity for European OLPC things<br />
[17:31:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; business cards. telling people. articles<br />
[17:31:32] &lt;atodorov&gt; spreading the word<br />
[17:31:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we start to need a mailing list<br />
[17:31:42] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; hosting project status, current events, presentations...<br />
[17:31:48] &lt;b457144n&gt; to make clear it's independent from laptop.org<br />
[17:31:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, why do you think grassroots is not good enough anymore?<br />
[17:32:01] * yokoy says: olpc-europe.org<br />
[17:32:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; lol<br />
[17:32:11] * crazy-chris also says olpc-europe.org<br />
[17:32:22] * atodorov +1<br />
[17:32:26] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; we too, olpc-europe.org<br />
[17:32:30] &lt;b457144n&gt; olpc-europe fits nice with olpc-nl.org<br />
[17:32:30] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; +3 :-)<br />
[17:32:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; h01ger: no. but some things like collecting the infos for the newsletter, might be better suited there<br />
[17:32:40] &lt;b457144n&gt; so +1 for me too<br />
[17:32:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; and then? redirect to wiki.l.o? or own wiki or what?<br />
[17:32:49] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; <country>.olpc-europe.org/<br />
[17:32:59] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; no own wiki as long as we don't need it?<br />
[17:33:05] &lt;atodorov&gt; h_ivanov: redirecting to local resources<br />
[17:33:06] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; agree<br />
[17:33:24] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; no wiki as long as we don't need it<br />
[17:33:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; who maintains that webserver? who maintains the content? acl?<br />
[17:33:40] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; basically forward to w.l.o for the first<br />
[17:33:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; content adding by need and volunteers for maintaining<br />
[17:34:01] &lt;yokoy&gt; crazy-chris: nods<br />
[17:34:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; editing .html with vi?<br />
[17:34:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; typo3?<br />
[17:34:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; how to manage accounts?<br />
[17:34:39] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; typo3 for what?<br />
[17:34:40] &lt;yokoy&gt; no drupal5, as i got today an DOS<br />
[17:34:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm not convinced we should waste our energy on this... ;)<br />
[17:34:44] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; h01ger: typo3 what for?<br />
[17:34:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; typo3 as the "opposite" of handcoding .html files<br />
[17:35:11] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we don't need to waste our time; simply forward to w.l.o.<br />
[17:35:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; (example)<br />
[17:35:42] &lt;yokoy&gt; crazy-chris: yes, we do not need a webserver, now<br />
[17:36:02] * h01ger thinks he wants a consistent plan, written down, to discuss. this is to adhoc<br />
[17:36:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; (the plan can be very short. i should just be complete :)<br />
[17:36:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; for the plan: what do all think of a o-e mailing list?<br />
[17:37:11] &lt;b457144n&gt; why? is the grassroots list not sufficient anymore?<br />
[17:37:14] &lt;yokoy&gt; no extra mailinglist<br />
[17:37:17] &lt;atodorov&gt; crazy-chris: what for<br />
[17:37:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, why do you think the grassroots list is not sufficient anymore? (i dont care much, i'm just surprised by changing plans so fast...)<br />
[17:37:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; no, not changing plans. just an idea.<br />
[17:37:50] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'm also unsure about that<br />
[17:37:53] &lt;b457144n&gt; skip it.<br />
[17:37:56] &lt;yokoy&gt; if there is to much traffic, later, then we could make an o-e ML<br />
[17:38:00] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; skip<br />
[17:38:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; nobody said "yes!" :)<br />
[17:38:08] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[17:38:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; next topic then<br />
[17:38:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; do we agree we want a plan about website & domain? or how to proceed here?<br />
[17:39:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, hm... we simply forward the urls to w.l.o and see if we need anything in the futureß<br />
[17:39:24] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01lger: we need a plan and vote for it<br />
[17:39:39] &lt;atodorov&gt; sounds like a plan :)<br />
[17:39:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; my plan would be, to redirect *.olpc.europe/* to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe :)<br />
[17:39:48] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; just forward for now<br />
[17:39:49] * yokoy nods to crazy-chris <br />
[17:40:15] * b457144n agrees with redirect<br />
[17:40:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; does anybody want to write down another plan or is this the plan?<br />
[17:40:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; this is so simple, we can instantly implement it :)<br />
[17:40:46] &lt;yokoy&gt; it is the plan<br />
[17:41:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; on o-e.org it's done, oe.org we fix<br />
[17:41:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed simply redirect *.olpc.europe/* to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe<br />
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[17:41:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action <crazy-chris> on o-e.org it's done, oe.org we fix<br />
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[17:41:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4.3 Information Infrastructure - email<br />
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[17:41:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; is this about holger@eu.laptop.org? :)<br />
[17:42:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; or about mailinglists?<br />
[17:42:05] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe about the way we communicate with each other<br />
[17:42:05] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; [country]@olpc europe<br />
[17:42:25] * atodorov agrees ^^^<br />
[17:42:30] * crazy-chris too ^^<br />
[17:42:35] * h01ger thinks for now its the grassroots list<br />
[17:42:36] &lt;yokoy&gt; ???<br />
[17:42:48] * yokoy do not understand<br />
[17:42:52] * h01ger doesnt really understand Gregor_de - there is for example olpc-de@l.d.o<br />
[17:43:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; someone please explain this topic :)<br />
[17:43:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; like de@olpc-europe.org<br />
[17:43:27] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i assume<br />
[17:43:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, what should that be?<br />
[17:43:36] &lt;b457144n&gt; do we need more than contact@olpc-europe.org?<br />
[17:43:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; (there is olpc-de@l.d.o)<br />
[17:43:50] * h01ger nods b457144n and doesnt think so<br />
[17:44:14] &lt;b457144n&gt; where should contact@olpc-europe.org go to?<br />
[17:44:48] * h01ger votes for grassroots list or a request tracker (much later, if at all)<br />
[17:44:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe no contact@ for the moment<br />
[17:44:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; what for<br />
[17:45:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; contact: grassroots-l@l.l.o?<br />
[17:45:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; this could be interesting if we apply for funds and such...<br />
[17:45:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; which is not now<br />
[17:45:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; btw, s/.d.o/.l.o/ for all the above. of course i ment laptop.org not debian.org ;-)<br />
[17:46:26] * h01ger thinks people (speaking for an organisation) should apply for funds and give peoples names as contact<br />
[17:46:34] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hm. we can discuss that via mail perhaps<br />
[17:46:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; contact@ would be more for random contacts..<br />
[17:46:42] &lt;b457144n&gt; indeed<br />
[17:46:51] &lt;b457144n&gt; people need to have a simple address to contact<br />
[17:47:12] &lt;b457144n&gt; and its easier if we can change where it points to whenever we want<br />
[17:47:51] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe we send it to all interested, but only one should reply. h01ger: what do you think?<br />
[17:48:05] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; how is it solved @ olpc austria?<br />
[17:48:12] * h01ger was about to write: #agreed there is no clear idea, what other email addresses we need. it seems a simple address for "random people" to contact us is desirable. discussion should be continued on the list<br />
[17:48:14] &lt;b457144n&gt; send to all interested, cc contact@ when replying<br />
[17:48:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; but then i like b457144n idea very much<br />
[17:48:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; create a contact address now and "be done with it" ;)<br />
[17:48:44] &lt;atodorov&gt; -bg is using private mailing list, non members can post and only group members can reply<br />
[17:48:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi jaume, backlog at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080124_1702.html<br />
[17:48:49] &lt;b457144n&gt; yes, lets move to pilots<br />
[17:49:12] * h01ger doesnt see an agreement what we want now<br />
[17:49:14] &lt;jaume&gt; ( thanks h01ger )<br />
[17:49:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; but we should move on. only 11min left..<br />
[17:49:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we agree to contact@ to all interested, we reply with cc?<br />
[17:49:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah. now i understand crazy-chriss last comment :)<br />
[17:49:46] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; agree, why not?<br />
[17:49:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; yes<br />
[17:49:51] &lt;yokoy&gt; we got no agreement, now<br />
[17:49:57] * b457144n agrees :-)<br />
[17:50:06] * atodorov agrees <br />
[17:50:10] &lt;aferti&gt; agrees<br />
[17:50:17] * yokoy do not know<br />
[17:50:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed there is no clear idea or agreement, what other email addresses we need. it seems a simple address for "random people" to contact us is desirable. or not. discussion should be continued on the list<br />
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[17:50:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; who takes this to the list?<br />
[17:50:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; (by writing a mail and summarizing the topic and options)<br />
[17:50:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i can do after the summary<br />
[17:50:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; cool<br />
[17:50:57] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; great thx<br />
[17:51:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; thats in one go :)<br />
[17:51:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action crazy-chris takes it to the list by writing a mail and summarizing the topic and options<br />
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[17:51:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; pilots?<br />
[17:51:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 5. Pilot projects<br />
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[17:51:29] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots<br />
[17:51:40] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; (for meetbot)<br />
[17:51:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; in austria there are 4 pilot classes coming 08<br />
[17:52:01] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but i have no further infos<br />
[17:52:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; what else to discuss/say here?<br />
[17:52:17] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; they want to link this with the nepal pilot<br />
[17:52:18] &lt;b457144n&gt; were is more information about those pilots?<br />
[17:52:29] &lt;atodorov&gt; we (olpc-bg) are planning at least 1 pilot by the end of 2008, no clear vision for it yet<br />
[17:52:36] &lt;b457144n&gt; we're very interested in scripts, setup, etc.<br />
[17:52:37] &lt;l-fy&gt; crazy-chris > i just got an idea<br />
[17:52:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, link as in "the pilots exchange info and stuff"?<br />
[17:52:51] &lt;l-fy&gt; crazy-chris > what do you think about bringing your gov people to see our pilot<br />
[17:53:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; l-fy: i'm not involved in that. please contact aaron or tano about this<br />
[17:53:18] &lt;b457144n&gt; olpc-nl want to discuss starting a pilot with education people next week.<br />
[17:53:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; l-fy, atodorov: please add you pilot to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots<br />
[17:53:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/you/your/<br />
[17:53:51] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01ger: will do soon<br />
[17:53:58] &lt;yokoy&gt; what is the best way to initiate a pilot project?<br />
[17:54:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n: if we get the git repo soon, we can store the edu scripts, infos, ... there<br />
[17:54:26] &lt;jaume&gt; yokoy, be in the media, and meet the ministery (?)<br />
[17:54:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; idea: set up a page for instructions on how to initiate a pilot<br />
[17:54:30] &lt;b457144n&gt; crazy-chris: great. when will that be :-)<br />
[17:54:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea  set up a page for instructions on how to initiate a pilot<br />
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[17:54:54] &lt;b457144n&gt; jaume: meeting is not enough, you need to have a good plan<br />
[17:54:55] &lt;atodorov&gt; crazy-chris: that differs from country to country<br />
[17:55:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea everybody who is doing a pilot documents stuff on the way :)<br />
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[17:55:18] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes! that would be great<br />
[17:55:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; atodorov, so what? it will still be useful partielly...<br />
[17:55:21] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; do someone know about an olpc implementation handbook?<br />
[17:55:30] &lt;yokoy&gt; jaume: thanks :-) , I wanted to animate a dokomentation for it<br />
[17:55:36] * h01ger expects there is some info already..<br />
[17:55:37] &lt;jaume&gt; b457144n, the plans will come from the others pilots, for sure... shared in the wiki that crazy-chris  proposes<br />
[17:55:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; ask on the grassroots list?<br />
[17:55:50] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; there exist one from ethiopia<br />
[17:55:56] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; not official yet<br />
[17:56:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; Gregor_de, can you link that on our pilot page please?<br />
[17:56:13] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; sure<br />
[17:56:17] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; super!<br />
[17:56:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; indeed!<br />
[17:56:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic? 4mins left :)<br />
[17:56:47] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[17:56:50] &lt;jaume&gt; also cross-pilot projects info...<br />
[17:57:15] * h01ger thinks pilots will be a continuing topic in the future... and so<br />
[17:57:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 6. T-shirts until FOSDEM? (end of february)<br />
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[17:57:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; we can use the .at design, its cc licenced<br />
[17:57:48] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; cool, love it<br />
[17:57:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; and i guess i want to print some tshirts til then anyway..<br />
[17:57:51] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; make a list of the attendants and let everyone purchase one<br />
[17:57:56] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; if he's going<br />
[17:58:19] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; there are some sources where you can actually buy yourself a tshirt with your own drawing on it<br />
[17:58:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; i just wonder, how many to print and if i could get some money to pre-finance it/more<br />
[17:58:37] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; how much would one be?<br />
[17:58:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; h_ivanov, i'm thinking more about printing 50 or 100<br />
[17:58:43] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; if there are, say, 10 people, you won't get any discount<br />
[17:58:45] &lt;atodorov&gt; #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/T-shirts<br />
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[17:58:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; ~10e per shirt<br />
[17:59:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay<br />
[17:59:14] &lt;yokoy&gt; what about "siebdruck vor ort" to put the logo on you lovely bags<br />
[17:59:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; which is 1000e for 100 shirts. i think i _might_ get them for 5 or 7e but thats still a lot money (for me)<br />
[17:59:34] &lt;yokoy&gt; or shirts...<br />
[17:59:40] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yokoy: would be great! you do it?<br />
[17:59:55] &lt;yokoy&gt; crazy-chris: 99% yes<br />
[17:59:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; yokoy, i plan to use a local print company... but i dont want to start with bags..<br />
[18:00:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; yokoy, til fosdem?<br />
[18:00:24] * yokoy will not be at fosdem<br />
[18:00:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but from us you can get at most a few hundret e<br />
[18:01:19] &lt;yokoy&gt; crazy-chris: ?<br />
[18:01:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; hmmm...<br />
[18:01:38] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; time over ;-)<br />
[18:01:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'll discuss this with crazy-chris and yokoy after the meeting...<br />
[18:01:57] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[18:02:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea print 50-100 tshrts for fosdem (to sell them there) based on the olpc austria design, which is cc licenced<br />
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[18:02:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 7. next meeting, when?<br />
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[18:02:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; 2 weeks?<br />
[18:02:34] &lt;b457144n&gt; in two weeks again<br />
[18:02:35] &lt;b457144n&gt; ?<br />
[18:02:42] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; agree<br />
[18:02:42] * yokoy agrees<br />
[18:02:44] &lt;atodorov&gt; h01ger: where does the money from t-shirts go ?<br />
[18:02:46] &lt;aferti&gt; agree<br />
[18:02:52] &lt;kikka&gt; n8<br />
[18:02:54] * atodorov agrees for next 2 weeks <br />
[18:03:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; atodorov, good question. either olpc europe or into more tshirts, if olpc europe doesnt legally exist by then..<br />
[18:03:14] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sell t-shirts for no profit?<br />
[18:03:20] * h01ger also agrees for two weeks<br />
[18:03:28] * kikka wants a T-shirt!<br />
[18:03:34] &lt;kikka&gt; But. night.<br />
[18:03:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, basically yes. but there will be some euros, even if only 5<br />
[18:03:53] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; okay, except for hosting, in the initial state, what would we need those money for<br />
[18:03:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; so, its thursday, the 7th of february<br />
[18:04:03] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; and if we find them a use, will they be enough?<br />
[18:04:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; idea: we put that money in the pot for the olpc europe founding party<br />
[18:04:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; same time or one hour later?<br />
[18:04:09] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; :)<br />
[18:04:17] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; yeah chris!<br />
[18:04:21] &lt;h_ivanov&gt; sell shirts to get drunk?<br />
[18:04:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, excellelent idea<br />
[18:04:24] &lt;atodorov&gt; #idea we put the money in the pot for G1G1 Europe<br />
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[18:04:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; h_ivanov, for the buffet!<br />
[18:04:40] &lt;yokoy&gt; next meeting topic: olpc-europe party<br />
[18:04:43] * Gregor_de goes from olpc party to olpc party<br />
[18:04:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, which time the next meeting? again 17 utc or better 18 utc?<br />
[18:05:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay, then in two weeks, same time?<br />
[18:05:13] &lt;b457144n&gt; h01ger: for me 17 utc<br />
[18:05:18] * h01ger is fine with same time or one hour later<br />
[18:05:25] &lt;atodorov&gt; 17 UTC is better for folks from Eastern Europe<br />
[18:05:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; then be it 17 utc<br />
[18:05:38] &lt;aferti&gt; agree<br />
[18:05:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed next meeting: thursday, the 7th of february, 17 UTC<br />
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[18:06:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 8. any other business (in overtime)<br />
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[18:06:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; be fast and say good bye allready :)<br />
[18:06:50] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; thanks for the meeting! it was a pleasure again :)<br />
[18:07:08] &lt;yokoy&gt; yes, thx to all!<br />
[18:07:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; thank you all for this productive meeting again! and please move stuff to the lists, one hour meetings are quite short with so many topics and people :) certainly too short to really develop ideas...<br />
[18:07:20] &lt;atodorov&gt; thanks to all and have a good day/night<br />
[18:07:26] &lt;aferti&gt; It was great participating. Thank you. Regards from BOS.<br />
[18:07:33] &lt;b457144n&gt; yeah. thanks!<br />
[18:07:44] &lt;b457144n&gt; maybe do a separate pilot meeting soon<br />
[18:07:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; that's an idea<br />
[18:07:57] * h01ger nods b457144n <br />
[18:07:58] &lt;yokoy&gt; b457144n: good idea<br />
[18:07:58] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; sound interesting<br />
[18:08:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; when?<br />
[18:08:18] &lt;jaume&gt; thanks to everybody too<br />
[18:08:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; -> list<br />
[18:08:26] &lt;Gregor_de&gt; maybe there should be an pilo tproject working group -> I'll move it to mailinglist<br />
[18:08:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; Gregor_de: excellent idea!<br />
[18:08:45] &lt;yokoy&gt; Gregor_de: good<br />
[18:08:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; oki. cu! :)<br />
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