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[17:41:37] <h01ger> #topic 4.3 Information Infrastructure - email
[17:41:50] <h01ger> is this about firstname.lastname@example.org? :)
[17:42:03] <h01ger> or about mailinglists?
[17:42:05] <crazy-chris> maybe about the way we communicate with each other
[17:42:05] <Gregor_de> [country]@olpc europe
[17:42:25] * atodorov agrees ^^^
[17:42:30] * crazy-chris too ^^
[17:42:35] * h01ger thinks for now its the grassroots list
[17:42:36] <yokoy> ???
[17:42:48] * yokoy do not understand
[17:42:52] * h01ger doesnt really understand Gregor_de - there is for example email@example.com
[17:43:14] <h01ger> someone please explain this topic :)
[17:43:16] <crazy-chris> like firstname.lastname@example.org
[17:43:27] <crazy-chris> i assume
[17:43:29] <h01ger> crazy-chris, what should that be?
[17:43:36] <b457144n> do we need more than email@example.com?
[17:43:39] <h01ger> (there is firstname.lastname@example.org)
[17:43:50] * h01ger nods b457144n and doesnt think so
[17:44:14] <b457144n> where should email@example.com go to?
[17:44:48] * h01ger votes for grassroots list or a request tracker (much later, if at all)
[17:44:48] <crazy-chris> maybe no contact@ for the moment
[17:44:49] <crazy-chris> what for
[17:45:08] <h01ger> contact: firstname.lastname@example.org?
[17:45:49] <crazy-chris> this could be interesting if we apply for funds and such...
[17:45:52] <crazy-chris> which is not now
[17:45:59] <h01ger> btw, s/.d.o/.l.o/ for all the above. of course i ment laptop.org not debian.org ;-)
[17:46:26] * h01ger thinks people (speaking for an organisation) should apply for funds and give peoples names as contact
[17:46:34] <crazy-chris> hm. we can discuss that via mail perhaps
[17:46:35] <h01ger> contact@ would be more for random contacts..
[17:46:42] <b457144n> indeed
[17:46:51] <b457144n> people need to have a simple address to contact
[17:47:12] <b457144n> and its easier if we can change where it points to whenever we want
[17:47:51] <crazy-chris> maybe we send it to all interested, but only one should reply. h01ger: what do you think?
[17:48:05] <Gregor_de> how is it solved @ olpc austria?
[17:48:12] * h01ger was about to write: #agreed there is no clear idea, what other email addresses we need. it seems a simple address for "random people" to contact us is desirable. discussion should be continued on the list
[17:48:14] <b457144n> send to all interested, cc contact@ when replying
[17:48:23] <h01ger> but then i like b457144n idea very much
[17:48:33] <h01ger> create a contact address now and "be done with it" ;)
[17:48:44] <atodorov> -bg is using private mailing list, non members can post and only group members can reply
[17:48:47] <h01ger> hi jaume, backlog at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080124_1702.html
[17:48:49] <b457144n> yes, lets move to pilots
[17:49:12] * h01ger doesnt see an agreement what we want now
[17:49:14] <jaume> ( thanks h01ger )
[17:49:28] <h01ger> but we should move on. only 11min left..
[17:49:31] <crazy-chris> we agree to contact@ to all interested, we reply with cc?
[17:49:45] <h01ger> ah. now i understand crazy-chriss last comment :)
[17:49:46] <Gregor_de> agree, why not?
[17:49:47] <h01ger> yes
[17:49:51] <yokoy> we got no agreement, now
[17:49:57] * b457144n agrees :-)
[17:50:06] * atodorov agrees
[17:50:10] <aferti> agrees
[17:50:17] * yokoy do not know
[17:50:18] <h01ger> #agreed there is no clear idea or agreement, what other email addresses we need. it seems a simple address for "random people" to contact us is desirable. or not. discussion should be continued on the list
[17:50:24] <h01ger> who takes this to the list?
[17:50:34] <h01ger> (by writing a mail and summarizing the topic and options)
[17:50:48] <crazy-chris> i can do after the summary
[17:50:55] <h01ger> cool
[17:50:57] <Gregor_de> great thx
[17:51:03] <crazy-chris> thats in one go :)
[17:51:08] <h01ger> #action crazy-chris takes it to the list by writing a mail and summarizing the topic and options
[17:51:12] <crazy-chris> pilots?
[17:51:17] <h01ger> #topic 5. Pilot projects
[17:51:29] <crazy-chris> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots
[17:51:40] <crazy-chris> (for meetbot)
[17:51:56] <crazy-chris> in austria there are 4 pilot classes coming 08
[17:52:01] <crazy-chris> but i have no further infos
[17:52:09] <h01ger> what else to discuss/say here?
[17:52:17] <crazy-chris> they want to link this with the nepal pilot
[17:52:18] <b457144n> were is more information about those pilots?
[17:52:29] <atodorov> we (olpc-bg) are planning at least 1 pilot by the end of 2008, no clear vision for it yet
[17:52:36] <b457144n> we're very interested in scripts, setup, etc.
[17:52:37] <l-fy> crazy-chris > i just got an idea
[17:52:40] <h01ger> crazy-chris, link as in "the pilots exchange info and stuff"?
[17:52:51] <l-fy> crazy-chris > what do you think about bringing your gov people to see our pilot
[17:53:16] <crazy-chris> l-fy: i'm not involved in that. please contact aaron or tano about this
[17:53:18] <b457144n> olpc-nl want to discuss starting a pilot with education people next week.
[17:53:20] <h01ger> l-fy, atodorov: please add you pilot to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots
[17:53:30] <h01ger> s/you/your/
[17:53:51] <atodorov> h01ger: will do soon
[17:53:58] <yokoy> what is the best way to initiate a pilot project?
[17:54:02] <crazy-chris> b457144n: if we get the git repo soon, we can store the edu scripts, infos, ... there
[17:54:26] <jaume> yokoy, be in the media, and meet the ministery (?)
[17:54:28] <crazy-chris> idea: set up a page for instructions on how to initiate a pilot
[17:54:30] <b457144n> crazy-chris: great. when will that be :-)
[17:54:44] <h01ger> #idea set up a page for instructions on how to initiate a pilot
[17:54:54] <b457144n> jaume: meeting is not enough, you need to have a good plan
[17:54:55] <atodorov> crazy-chris: that differs from country to country
[17:55:05] <h01ger> #idea everybody who is doing a pilot documents stuff on the way :)
[17:55:18] <crazy-chris> yes! that would be great
[17:55:19] <h01ger> atodorov, so what? it will still be useful partielly...
[17:55:21] <Gregor_de> do someone know about an olpc implementation handbook?
[17:55:30] <yokoy> jaume: thanks :-) , I wanted to animate a dokomentation for it
[17:55:36] * h01ger expects there is some info already..
[17:55:37] <jaume> b457144n, the plans will come from the others pilots, for sure... shared in the wiki that crazy-chris proposes
[17:55:42] <h01ger> ask on the grassroots list?
[17:55:50] <Gregor_de> there exist one from ethiopia
[17:55:56] <Gregor_de> not official yet
[17:56:05] <h01ger> Gregor_de, can you link that on our pilot page please?
[17:56:13] <Gregor_de> sure
[17:56:17] <crazy-chris> super!
[17:56:21] <h01ger> indeed!
[17:56:28] <h01ger> next topic? 4mins left :)
[17:56:47] * crazy-chris nods
[17:56:50] <jaume> also cross-pilot projects info...
[17:57:15] * h01ger thinks pilots will be a continuing topic in the future... and so
[17:57:18] <h01ger> #topic 6. T-shirts until FOSDEM? (end of february)
[17:57:31] <h01ger> we can use the .at design, its cc licenced
[17:57:48] <Gregor_de> cool, love it
[17:57:50] <h01ger> and i guess i want to print some tshirts til then anyway..
[17:57:51] <h_ivanov> make a list of the attendants and let everyone purchase one
[17:57:56] <h_ivanov> if he's going
[17:58:19] <h_ivanov> there are some sources where you can actually buy yourself a tshirt with your own drawing on it
[17:58:22] <h01ger> i just wonder, how many to print and if i could get some money to pre-finance it/more
[17:58:37] <crazy-chris> how much would one be?
[17:58:37] <h01ger> h_ivanov, i'm thinking more about printing 50 or 100
[17:58:43] <h_ivanov> if there are, say, 10 people, you won't get any discount
[17:58:45] <atodorov> #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/T-shirts
[17:58:48] <h01ger> ~10e per shirt
[17:59:06] <crazy-chris> okay
[17:59:14] <yokoy> what about "siebdruck vor ort" to put the logo on you lovely bags
[17:59:29] <h01ger> which is 1000e for 100 shirts. i think i _might_ get them for 5 or 7e but thats still a lot money (for me)
[17:59:34] <yokoy> or shirts...
[17:59:40] <crazy-chris> yokoy: would be great! you do it?
[17:59:55] <yokoy> crazy-chris: 99% yes
[17:59:57] <h01ger> yokoy, i plan to use a local print company... but i dont want to start with bags..
[18:00:01] <h01ger> yokoy, til fosdem?
[18:00:24] * yokoy will not be at fosdem
[18:00:31] <crazy-chris> but from us you can get at most a few hundret e
[18:01:19] <yokoy> crazy-chris: ?
[18:01:25] <h01ger> hmmm...
[18:01:38] <Gregor_de> time over ;-)
[18:01:44] <h01ger> i'll discuss this with crazy-chris and yokoy after the meeting...
[18:01:57] * crazy-chris nods
[18:02:12] <h01ger> #idea print 50-100 tshrts for fosdem (to sell them there) based on the olpc austria design, which is cc licenced
[18:02:20] <h01ger> #topic 7. next meeting, when?
[18:02:32] <crazy-chris> 2 weeks?
[18:02:34] <b457144n> in two weeks again
[18:02:35] <b457144n> ?
[18:02:42] <Gregor_de> agree
[18:02:42] * yokoy agrees
[18:02:44] <atodorov> h01ger: where does the money from t-shirts go ?
[18:02:46] <aferti> agree
[18:02:52] <kikka> n8
[18:02:54] * atodorov agrees for next 2 weeks
[18:03:12] <h01ger> atodorov, good question. either olpc europe or into more tshirts, if olpc europe doesnt legally exist by then..
[18:03:14] <crazy-chris> sell t-shirts for no profit?
[18:03:20] * h01ger also agrees for two weeks
[18:03:28] * kikka wants a T-shirt!
[18:03:34] <kikka> But. night.
[18:03:40] <h01ger> crazy-chris, basically yes. but there will be some euros, even if only 5
[18:03:53] <h_ivanov> okay, except for hosting, in the initial state, what would we need those money for
[18:03:53] <h01ger> so, its thursday, the 7th of february
[18:04:03] <h_ivanov> and if we find them a use, will they be enough?
[18:04:03] <crazy-chris> idea: we put that money in the pot for the olpc europe founding party
[18:04:06] <h01ger> same time or one hour later?
[18:04:09] <crazy-chris> :)
[18:04:17] <Gregor_de> yeah chris!
[18:04:21] <h_ivanov> sell shirts to get drunk?
[18:04:22] <h01ger> crazy-chris, excellelent idea
[18:04:24] <atodorov> #idea we put the money in the pot for G1G1 Europe
[18:04:30] <h01ger> h_ivanov, for the buffet!
[18:04:40] <yokoy> next meeting topic: olpc-europe party
[18:04:43] * Gregor_de goes from olpc party to olpc party
[18:04:59] <h01ger> anyway, which time the next meeting? again 17 utc or better 18 utc?
[18:05:02] <crazy-chris> okay, then in two weeks, same time?
[18:05:13] <b457144n> h01ger: for me 17 utc
[18:05:18] * h01ger is fine with same time or one hour later
[18:05:25] <atodorov> 17 UTC is better for folks from Eastern Europe
[18:05:33] <h01ger> then be it 17 utc
[18:05:38] <aferti> agree
[18:05:51] <h01ger> #agreed next meeting: thursday, the 7th of february, 17 UTC
[18:06:04] <h01ger> #topic 8. any other business (in overtime)
[18:06:13] <h01ger> be fast and say good bye allready :)
[18:06:50] <crazy-chris> thanks for the meeting! it was a pleasure again :)
[18:07:08] <yokoy> yes, thx to all!
[18:07:09] <h01ger> thank you all for this productive meeting again! and please move stuff to the lists, one hour meetings are quite short with so many topics and people :) certainly too short to really develop ideas...
[18:07:20] <atodorov> thanks to all and have a good day/night
[18:07:26] <aferti> It was great participating. Thank you. Regards from BOS.
[18:07:33] <b457144n> yeah. thanks!
[18:07:44] <b457144n> maybe do a separate pilot meeting soon
[18:07:56] <crazy-chris> that's an idea
[18:07:57] * h01ger nods b457144n
[18:07:58] <yokoy> b457144n: good idea
[18:07:58] <Gregor_de> sound interesting
[18:08:06] <crazy-chris> when?
[18:08:18] <jaume> thanks to everybody too
[18:08:21] <crazy-chris> -> list
[18:08:26] <Gregor_de> maybe there should be an pilo tproject working group -> I'll move it to mailinglist
[18:08:38] <crazy-chris> Gregor_de: excellent idea!
[18:08:45] <yokoy> Gregor_de: good
[18:08:54] <h01ger> oki. cu! :)
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