19:42:15 #startmeeting 19:42:15 Meeting started Wed Mar 18 19:42:15 2020 UTC. The chair is sumpfralle2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:42:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:42:34 Just another Wednesday evening - let us start with our weekly IRC meeting. 19:42:40 Please share your thoughts! 19:44:15 I don't have any, but I'm here :-) 19:50:12 hi 19:52:01 Currently I am trying to fix autoconf problems of the plugins in the munin repository. 19:52:43 I have a bit of problems with conditional imports of perl modules. But I will need to dig a bit deeper, I guess. 19:52:45 i am adding tests for html and graph 19:52:54 cool! 19:54:04 I noticed, the "munindoc" is now called "munin-doc" in the master branch. 19:54:28 I think, I will add a symlink (or similar) to the stable-2.0 branch soon, in order to ease migration for user. 19:54:29 s 19:54:41 yep 19:55:25 Sadly the build system in stable-2.0 feels a bit more challenging, than the one in master. I hope, I will get around that without too many cries of frustration :) 19:56:08 well. we couls also focus together on 3.0 19:57:42 as, i'd really aim for 3.0 to be in buster+1 19:57:46 I have to admit, that I like our current split of tasks, since I am really not eager to dig much deeper into perl :( 19:58:12 and everything that is done for 2.0 might be wasted efforta 19:58:39 well, you could focus on testing 3.0 19:59:38 I see your point, but I feel much more comfortable with the plugin maintenance and development, than munin itself. 20:01:36 I have to admit, that I felt almost offended by the complexity of conditional module imports in perl. This feels a bit like lua's approach of thousands of suitable (or unsuitable) ways for reaching trivial goals. This stresses me quite a bit. 20:02:24 I know, that you are striving to improve the situation, but there are limits (defined by the language), I guess. 20:03:28 I do not intend to talk us into a different language/platform. I just want to state, where are my limits of expertise (and interest). 20:22:41 "state my" -> "describe my" 20:23:14 Anyway: I think, I will continue working on 2.0, since my changes usually flow up to master. Only a small subset it 2.0-specific. 20:23:46 But I would be happy about munin 3.0 to be released out to the masses :) 20:49:44 oh, i think that Perl is awrsome. but its lack of "one good way" is what killed it. 20:50:37 and in that respect, while i dislike python, it got that thing perfectly right 20:51:26 ... which is why i try to write C-like perl code in munin 3.0 20:52:19 with as little perl idioms as possible. only using some when it add to readability for newbies 20:53:14 which is _precisely_ why i would be glad if you could look into the master bramch 20:54:03 and complain loudely if you dont understand something. since it means i failed to make it crystal clear. 20:54:20 you are trying very hard :) 20:55:46 Of course, I cannot refuse such a call. 21:06:32 Regarding 3.0: I just merged the latest 2.0 releases into the branch. Do you have something specific on your list before you publish another release? 21:30:54 munin-monitoring/munin-c#196 (master - aa43191 : Matthias Schmitz): The build has errored. 21:30:54 Change view : https://github.com/munin-monitoring/munin-c/compare/fdaac2e5417aad5dd847ac95e621ad866817105d...aa431914381125bfa343272612cb8023e0f8e111 21:30:54 Build details : https://travis-ci.org/munin-monitoring/munin-c/builds/664125395 21:43:28 Let's finish the meeting for today. 21:43:30 #endmeeting