18:30:04 #startmeeting 18:30:04 Meeting started Tue Dec 31 18:30:04 2013 UTC. The chair is TheSnide. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:30:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:30:19 GrumpyFux: late. but present. 18:32:08 #topic 2.2 18:32:24 MeetBot: pingall (forgot) 18:32:24 (forgot) 18:32:24 agrajag alarig anordby_ asio bauruine be0rn blueyed bzed cae carnil ceed cnu CoalBessy Croccydile dickon DzAirmaX edong23_ errstr EugeneKay eyck fenris02 Flameeyes Grauwolf GrumpyFux h01ger helmut ingvarha_ jgeboski jmccrohan joat kenyon krm Kvisle_ lbft LBo 18:32:24 magnush MaliutaLap masudak meepmeep MeetBot Nightmare olasd pbn pretec sbadia Scharrels See- simchosi skaby SoboL Spitfire ssm tawm TheSnide thulle ToBeFree trippeh Ttech tuxcrafter Underbyte uovobw vst zwiebelbot 18:32:24 (forgot) 18:33:13 #info sql branch was merged today. along with the 2.1.4 release, which contains it. 18:35:26 as announced on the ML, this release contains a partial cgi for html, as it is a full rewrite. 18:36:46 this is a _regression_, but the cron part works as expected. TBH, I didnt advocate CGI HTML anymore on wellsized installs. 18:36:49 * h01ger wishes a great 2014 :-D 18:37:41 so, it should not be a big issue. 18:38:24 h01ger: 2.1.4 is dedicated to you. indirectly. 18:38:37 \o/ +what? 18:38:39 :) 18:39:46 we are getting slowly more pull reqs for munin.git, in various areas. 18:40:05 that is a very nice thing. (more on that later) 18:40:56 i hope that by following h01ger's advice to release often it will increase further. 18:42:38 h01ger: look at the 2.1.4 email :) 18:45:03 #topic other 18:45:11 TheSnide: did you manage to improve the testing-from-git procedure? 18:46:57 GrumpyFux: could you explain ? 18:47:25 A few weeks ago, I wanted to test sql branch. But failed to install munin from git 18:50:43 GrumpyFux: well, you should use the dev_scripts/ 18:51:00 GrumpyFux: but i agree it isnt optimal. 18:53:12 #info for now the best way to install munin is the scripts in dev_scripts/ 18:53:50 #action TheSnide has to write a short doc about how it works, as it is quite simple to use it. 18:54:28 #undo 18:54:28 Removing item from minutes: 18:55:11 #action TheSnide has to write a short doc about how dev_scripts/ works, as it is quite simple to use it. 18:55:19 +1 18:55:35 (contextualized actions are better) 18:56:09 other than that, building a package works surprisingly well also 18:56:24 ... as it was my main testing workflow 19:04:10 I'm thinking again about changing the default templates, and i think it would be better to offer a very easy way to change them, instead of force push by default. 19:05:03 time will tell if we should change the default, and that way we also might have holy wars such as deb /sbin/init :) 19:05:50 #info mustrap will not be default for 2.2. too disruptive, too little time to test. 19:07:25 also, one of my goals is to dumb down the code. that would enable much easier contributions along to lower the headache required for fixing bugs. 19:13:10 to have a feeling about my style, just have a look at the new html cgi in devel. 19:13:39 Will do 19:14:00 it's very PoP oriented. 19:14:15 (plain old perl) 19:14:15 The code style of GraphOld is really painful, und I constantly feel the urge to completely refactor it 19:14:35 GrumpyFux: i know that feeling, trust me. 19:15:31 and, btw, if anyone has some rants, please do. 19:16:19 The usual "could somebody please take care of open tickets" only 19:16:27 ... as I often say that i'm a rant freak http://blog.pwkf.org/post/2008/05/26/Why-Negative-comments-are-better-than-positive-ones 19:18:56 ok... nothing much to say. 19:19:55 #endmeeting