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[19:02:25] <h01ger> #topic 1. Who writes the summary? - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:02:53] <danielsan> "In absents of any other volunteer Daniel Hess volunteered to write this summary."
[19:03:12] * danielsan = Daniel Hess :)
[19:03:19] * jever = Jürgen Leibner
[19:03:27] <h01ger> #action danielsan writes the summary
[19:04:17] <h01ger> #topic 2. everybody indicates presence with /me = firstname lastname please - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:04:22] * h01ger = Holger Levsen
[19:04:41] * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
[19:04:42] * h01ger took a note to fix this double-topic announces in the channel...
[19:05:01] <h01ger> nobody else here?
[19:05:28] <h01ger> sep, klausade, finnarne, vagrantc, Werner, white, winnie, akai, jemtland_ ...
[19:05:51] * klausade klaus ade johnstad
[19:05:52] <h01ger> #topic 3. status of r1 - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:06:07] <h01ger> with the sub topics:
[19:06:09] <h01ger> remaining p2 bugs: #1267
[19:06:09] <h01ger> have we done enough testing
[19:06:09] <h01ger> status of PR work and release notes
[19:06:09] <h01ger> inactive contact addresses
[19:06:09] <h01ger> anything else
[19:06:19] <h01ger> anything else a subtopic?
[19:07:28] <h01ger> #topic 3.1 status of r1: remaining p2 bugs: #1267 - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:07:34] <jever> webpage /cms on skolelinux.no isn't uptodate?
[19:08:23] <sepski> sorry for beeing late
[19:08:26] * sepski == Ronny Aasen
[19:08:30] <h01ger> jever, besides that i dont understand, can we discuss this later?! please add it to the agenda at the url.. :)
[19:08:55] * h01ger did a german tjener+tc-server install today, from dvd, with network and in german, no probs
[19:09:02] <h01ger> will do workstation alone later
[19:09:10] <h01ger> (using the etch-dvd)
[19:10:03] <h01ger> anyone any input to #1267 which is not recorded in the bug?
[19:11:01] <danielsan> no
[19:11:29] <jever> no
[19:11:45] <sepski> i use the autopartition almost allways, and i have never seen the bug
[19:11:48] * pere is looking at the bug.
[19:12:30] <klausade> h01ger: never seen #1267
[19:12:40] <pere> right. I have no clue what could be the source of that bug.
[19:12:49] <pere> I have never experienced it either.
[19:15:43] <danielsan> should we tag it unreproduceable or document that disconnecting the network could be a workaround if someone experience problems?
[19:15:47] <sepski> so without out inpout of the bug reporter we can't conclude anything. suggest we ignore it unless some breaking new info is obtained
[19:16:13] * h01ger nods sepski - i dont want to tag it unreproducable now, but after testing today
[19:16:19] <sepski> dont think that workaround sounds sane at all...
[19:16:34] <h01ger> #action test #1267 once more with current etch cd, and if it doesnt happen, tag it unreproducable
[19:16:44] <sepski> h01ger, ack
[19:16:53] <danielsan> ok
[19:17:06] <h01ger> #topic 3.2 status of r1: have we done enough testing? - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:17:29] <h01ger> i'm not sure we have done enough testing to release r1 _tonite_
[19:17:33] <pere> I doubt we ever will do enough testing. :)
[19:17:43] <h01ger> but hopefully tomorrow or wednesday
[19:17:58] <h01ger> pere, sure. but it can be not enough and too little :)
[19:18:00] * danielsan has the iso but not had time to test
[19:18:07] <pere> h01ger: I agree. we can delay it a few more days, to see how the changes are received.
[19:18:44] <pere> alfton mentioned some cups problems after upgrading. not sure if he figured it out, and if it was a problem we should try to address.
[19:18:46] * h01ger will be busy at the edu meeting from thurday. that means, i'll be online very much, but mostly not working on edu
[19:18:56] * jever hadn't had time enough for testing but will do this week
[19:19:06] <pere> I pointed him to debian-edu-etc-svk to figure out what had changed, and he seemed happy with what he found there.
[19:19:11] <sepski> pere is there a bug number
[19:19:45] <sepski> nevermind
[19:19:55] <h01ger> #agreed we can delay r1 a few more days, to allow people to test to see how the changes are received
[19:20:07] <h01ger> define "a few days" please :)
[19:20:14] <pere> sepski: not as far as I know.
[19:20:28] <pere> h01ger: before the weekend.
[19:21:00] <h01ger> #info use "nice rsync -vt ftp.skolelinux.no::cd-etch-dvd/debian-edu-amd64-i386-powerpc-DVD-1.iso debian-edu-amd64-i386-powerpc-DVD-1.iso" to rsync the proposed etch_r1 dvd to test it
[19:21:24] <h01ger> #idea use "nice rsync -vt ftp.skolelinux.no::cd-etch-dvd/debian-edu-amd64-i386-powerpc-DVD-1.iso debian-edu-amd64-i386-powerpc-DVD-1.iso" to rsync the proposed etch_r1 dvd to test it
[19:21:51] <h01ger> pere, so until friday and then we try to release on saturday?!
[19:22:06] <h01ger> or until thursday and we try to release on friday?
[19:22:24] <pere> lets try friday.
[19:22:37] <h01ger> release? or testing time?
[19:22:40] <pere> not sure if that make sense, PR-wise, but there you go.
[19:22:45] <h01ger> heh
[19:22:45] <pere> release?
[19:22:51] <h01ger> fine with me
[19:22:55] <h01ger> other opinions?
[19:23:05] <jever> fine for me too
[19:23:06] * danielsan likes releases
[19:23:31] <h01ger> #agreed we will test until thursday and try (very hard) to release on friday :)
[19:24:05] <h01ger> #topic 3.3 status or r1: status of PR work and release notes - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:24:31] * h01ger polished the PR a bit today, still feels a bit "empty" to me
[19:24:40] <h01ger> no idea about the release notes
[19:24:50] <h01ger> except that i added a link to all the bugs we fixed
[19:25:54] <sepski> it's after all a bug fix release should not be the huge changes
[19:26:16] <danielsan> we have fixed many bugs, ...
[19:26:24] <h01ger> #action h01ger will write a mail to the people listed in the PR as contact to ask for polishing the press release
[19:27:32] <h01ger> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/PressReleases/PressRelease_DebianEdu-3.0r1_Terra
[19:27:38] <pere> h01ger: I guess we should require a reply from the contacts before leaving them on the list of contacts.
[19:28:08] <h01ger> #topic 3.3 status or r1: PR - inactive contacts - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:28:18] <h01ger> pere, i agree
[19:28:35] <h01ger> i can include this in my "please contribute to the PR mail"...
[19:28:55] <danielsan> are this people doing pr or people getting the press release?
[19:29:11] <h01ger> agreed? if they dont reply, we dont list them. (as they will not be a good contact for the press either)
[19:29:24] <danielsan> ah, i see
[19:29:26] <h01ger> danielsan, the people listed on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/PressReleases/PressRelease_DebianEdu-3.0r1_Terra
[19:30:31] <h01ger> next?
[19:30:47] <danielsan> do we whant to ask local teams to name new persons if one does not repsond?
[19:31:23] <pere> danielsan: perhaps. I would urge local teams to check if the name listed is the correct one, and now wait for a question.
[19:32:04] <pere> s/now/not/
[19:32:47] <h01ger> move on?
[19:32:52] <pere> yeah.
[19:32:53] <danielsan> please
[19:32:55] <h01ger> #topic 3.3 status or r1: PR: news on http://www.skolelinux.no/en/node/3 are very old - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:33:00] <h01ger> #topic 3.4 status or r1: PR: news on http://www.skolelinux.no/en/node/3 are very old - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:33:01] <h01ger> sorry
[19:33:36] <h01ger> that news page is indeed very old (and i dont like the url, /node/3, but thats another topic :)
[19:33:51] <h01ger> jever, would you like to help to regulary add news?
[19:34:13] <pere> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/WebAccess
[19:34:23] <pere> That documents who can update and how to update.
[19:34:35] * h01ger thinks its partly that the new cms has not been fully kickstarted yet
[19:34:44] <jever> yes, I suggested a time ago, to publish the content of the announce list there too
[19:34:49] <h01ger> jever, it also lacks a german section :)
[19:35:38] <h01ger> akai, is the news localized? that is, is there different news for en/nb/de or is it supposed to be translated?
[19:35:41] <jever> yes, I would help, but that will be my fourth cms I will feed and may be too much for me this time
[19:36:23] * h01ger thinks we should give jever access to the english and german part of it (even if he is overworked with cms ;) - objections?
[19:36:48] <h01ger> jever, even if you contribute little, its more than we have now :)
[19:36:50] * pere have no objections. he should request it.
[19:37:05] <danielsan> jever: that would be cool
[19:37:28] <h01ger> akai, actually DebianEdu/WebAccess doesnt say how to request it...
[19:37:34] <sepski> wan't it suposed to be translated ?
[19:37:40] <jever> ok, here I ask official: may I have access to the cms please
[19:37:54] <pere> h01ger: at least it give an idea who to contact. :)
[19:37:54] <h01ger> #agreed jever should request write access to the cms - the meeting is in favor of him working :-D
[19:38:05] <pere> jever: this is not the place to ask. :)
[19:38:06] <h01ger> jever, maybe better you send a mail to akai
[19:38:31] <pere> or all of the people on the list, or the www mailing list.
[19:38:37] * h01ger cheers jever for getting involved in the cms
[19:38:45] <jever> pere: I know, but I liked to write it down here and now :)
[19:38:48] <h01ger> pere, where is the www mailinglist?
[19:39:23] <pere> #link https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/www-int
[19:39:30] <h01ger> pere, thanks
[19:39:33] <h01ger> lets move on
[19:39:43] <pere> there are also -fr, -de and -no www lists.
[19:39:58] <h01ger> really?
[19:40:07] <h01ger> ui. where?
[19:40:37] <h01ger> anyway, lets move on...
[19:40:39] <pere> #link https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/feil
[19:40:39] <h01ger> #topic 3.5 status or r1: anything else about r1? - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:40:52] <h01ger> (pere, keep adding links)
[19:41:02] <h01ger> anything else to discuss about r1?
[19:41:08] <jever> the last message on www-int I have got is from 2006-04-28
[19:41:22] <pere> jemtland_: there are messages from this month in the archive.
[19:41:28] <sepski> pere /feil ??
[19:41:29] <pere> s/ jemtland_ / jever /
[19:41:42] <jever> mmmh
[19:42:01] <pere> h01ger: I believe we did a good job with r1, and hope a lot of people will test fresh installs and upgrades before thursday.
[19:42:02] <sepski> i think s/feil//g
[19:42:09] <h01ger> lets add this links later to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/WebAccess ?!
[19:42:21] <h01ger> pere, agreed! :)
[19:42:59] <h01ger> #agreed we believe we did a good job with r1, and hope a lot of people will test fresh installs and upgrades before thursday.
[19:43:08] <pere> :)
[19:43:25] <h01ger> #topic 4. plans for post r1 - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:43:49] <pere> marketing material would be good, and we should gear up on development gatherings.
[19:43:53] <h01ger> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/roadmap
[19:44:10] <h01ger> pere, gear up? have more? plan the next? please explain :)
[19:44:53] <pere> increase the frequency and start planning the next few. :)
[19:45:09] <stockholm> like ask extremadura for the next one?
[19:45:26] <h01ger> stockholm! :) isnt that in 2008?
[19:45:31] <stockholm> yes
[19:45:39] <pere> one in january in narvik have been discussed, and we should keep up the momentum.
[19:45:46] <h01ger> stockholm, please indicate your presence with /me = vorname nachname ;)
[19:45:53] <pere> h01ger: the next gathering will probably be in 2008. :)
[19:45:57] * stockholm == Andreas Schuldei
[19:46:16] <h01ger> pere, point taken. who plans Narvik?
[19:46:20] <pere> yes, someone should request a new one in extremadura.
[19:46:26] <h01ger> or the gatherings in general?
[19:46:29] <pere> alfton, I believe.
[19:46:52] <pere> h01ger: anyone willing can plan a gathering.
[19:46:56] * h01ger can ask cesar and itais on thursday in merida.. same hotel.. hopefully better wireless :)
[19:47:02] <pere> after all, do-o-crasy is our thing. :)
[19:47:22] <danielsan> h01ger: is thursday already mañana?
[19:48:12] <pere> have the application the project sent to the norwegian government, and it list some ideas for gatherings.
[19:48:16] <h01ger> #agreed someone (you!) should plan next developer gatherings. h01ger will ask in extremadura about another one in 2008. but we should also have more another one in norway, germany, ...
[19:48:26] <pere> we should organize them all, governmental support or not. :)
[19:48:59] * h01ger nods
[19:49:09] <h01ger> next topic?
[19:49:14] <pere> not yet
[19:49:27] <pere> sep: any estimated time of arrival for the lenny build?
[19:49:45] <pere> sep: did you get help from the ftpmasters to set up the repository?
[19:49:47] <h01ger> we need to create the suite first...
[19:49:59] <h01ger> which is planned with the dak upgrade, which we want to do after r1
[19:50:25] <pere> right. should we just set up a build without any local packages, to get the framework up and running?
[19:50:26] <h01ger> _if_ we release on friday, i can break dak on saturday and upgrade. i'll have competent help sitting next to me, so this should work
[19:50:56] <pere> it would be interesting to know how many of "our" packages are currently missing from lenny.
[19:50:57] * h01ger nods pere. we should imo. problem is, no d-e-c and no d-e-i in lenny... (but sid)
[19:51:09] <h01ger> pere, there was mail today from lucas on the list...
[19:51:15] <pere> sure. the installer would be completely bogus.
[19:51:38] <pere> someone should push the -keyring package into lenny.
[19:51:46] <pere> it is held by the udeb, I believe.
[19:52:02] <h01ger> yeah. i can write -release... its on my list anyway..
[19:52:24] <h01ger> will do after the meeting
[19:52:29] <pere> great
[19:52:42] <pere> that was the only thing I had left on this topic.
[19:52:43] <h01ger> so, lets really aim for friday, so i can break dak on saturday
[19:52:49] <h01ger> s/break/upgrade/ :)
[19:53:07] <h01ger> anybody else anything for post r1? or move on? 8min left :)
[19:53:20] <jever> move on
[19:53:21] <pere> lets move on.
[19:53:23] <danielsan> move on
[19:53:25] <h01ger> #topic 5. packages.skolelinux.org / #440575 - agenda at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting
[19:53:51] <h01ger> that bug has a link to a howto for setting up something like packages.d.o
[19:54:00] <h01ger> that is, the new code from djpig
[19:54:17] <h01ger> i believe it is a good idea to have and the howto looks straightforward and djpig offered help, too
[19:54:34] <h01ger> it just needs root-access (or some commands executed) on a.s.n..
[19:54:37] <pere> sounds good to me. does it need a separate DNS name?
[19:54:50] <h01ger> pere, i think so and it sounds/looks better
[19:54:55] <h01ger> is that a problem?
[19:55:44] * pere prefer to increase branding recognizion by using the same or very few DNS names for web services.
[19:56:15] <pere> but do not let my view stop you from doing good work. :)
[19:56:16] <h01ger> pere, packages.skolelinux.org uses the same domain-name as the rest
[19:56:37] * h01ger thinks ftp.s.n/packages/d-e-c (or whatever) would be more confusing
[19:56:53] <pere> yes, so it is slightly better than skolelinux.de, friprogramvareiskolen.no, skulelinux.no/org/etc...
[19:57:02] * h01ger shudders :)
[19:57:17] <h01ger> but i really think we should use p.s.o...
[19:57:27] <h01ger> there is skulelinux.no? skule?
[19:57:29] <pere> looking at the list of skolelinux related DNS domains, I realise my view is not shared by enough of the project members.
[19:57:48] <pere> #link http://developer.skolelinux.no/dnsnames.html
[19:57:53] * h01ger would suggest to migrate the lists away from linpro, but thats yet another topic..
[19:58:20] <h01ger> so, i can say we agreed that we/i should set it up, right?
[19:58:38] <pere> sure, go ahead, but please see if it can be set up on one of the existing dns names. :)
[19:58:49] <h01ger> #agreed #440575 should be fixed :)
[19:58:57] <h01ger> pere, suggest a url you would like to see, please.
[19:59:17] <pere> www.skolelinux.org/packages/
[19:59:25] <sepski> pere the build framework is set up and running, it's just failing each build since our patch makes d-c depend on a local repo.
[19:59:34] <sepski> so when the repo is in place. we can enable the build
[19:59:34] <h01ger> pere, does www run on admin?
[19:59:44] <pere> h01ger: nope, www is on maintainer.s.n.
[19:59:52] <h01ger> hmm. fancy redirecting then
[20:00:02] <pere> h01ger: do not put too much effort into it.
[20:00:08] <h01ger> pere, ok
[20:00:37] <h01ger> #topic 6: next meeting - when? no more agenda points..!
[20:01:17] <h01ger> in two weeks or next year? :)
[20:01:47] <pere> in two weeks if we fail to release r1 before that, and next year if we do. :)
[20:01:56] <sepski> agreed :)
[20:02:04] <h01ger> why not in seven days then?
[20:02:15] <pere> that is fine too.
[20:02:31] <jever> yes, in 7 days please
[20:02:34] * h01ger thinks that makes more sense. if we fail, we should ASAP discuss why and how to succeed :)
[20:02:39] <pere> btw, are anyone here joining NUUG at the FSCONS, www.fscons.org? Please do!
[20:02:56] <pere> it is 7.-8. of desember,
[20:02:59] <h01ger> #agreed in seven days if we fail to release r1 before that, and next year if we do
[20:03:09] <h01ger> pere, where is it? göteburg?
[20:03:10] <pere>
[20:03:14] <pere> h01ger: yes.
[20:04:15] <h01ger> whats the language there and does it cost a fee to participate?
[20:04:34] <h01ger> #topic 7. any other business
[20:04:43] <h01ger> #link http://wiki.nuug.no/aktiviteter/fscons2007
[20:04:44] <pere> there is a fee, and it is norwegian/danish/swedish, which make me believe it will be english. :)
[20:05:12] <pere> but the fee is quite low. :)
[20:05:34] <h01ger> ok. i doubt i'll make it, looks like the only weekend in december i'll be home..
[20:05:50] <h01ger> anything else or should we close the meeting?
[20:06:19] <stockholm> i consider going, but it is the weekend before the move
[20:06:27] <stockholm> to fscons2007
[20:06:55] <stockholm> they want a debian booth too
[20:07:10] <h01ger> was that on d-events-eu@l.d.o?
[20:07:29] <pere> a debian booth would be good. I will only be there on friday. :(
[20:08:02] * h01ger concludes we can close the meeting...
[20:08:06] <h01ger> right?
[20:08:10] <jever> yes
[20:08:17] <pere> yeah
[20:08:27] <h01ger> thank you all for attending and reading the log :-)
[20:08:48] <danielsan> thanks all for attending
[20:09:03] * jever too

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